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Offline nomosendero

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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2006, 04:58:35 PM »
No matter what some think, the Nosler Partition is a premium bullet & in some aspects still a standard to go by. I have used the 120 Part. in the
25-06 & the 30 cal. 180gr. with great success.

I have a "WHY" when it comes to a high velocity round up close. Sometimes the animals do not have a copy of the script & while many of your opportunities are at long range where I hunt in Wyoming, some
will be shot up close, I want the best for both, period. The TSX does not destroy too much meat up close, penetrates like crazy but yet will expand at fairly long range. The Accubond is great, it will penetrate up close & not
be overly destructive at high velocity, yet expand at even longer range than the partition. It appears that the 200 gr. Accubond is the ultimate 300mag. bullet for me at least & yes I do occassionally need the range of the 300. Thanks for bringing up a situation that illustrates the superiority
of the Accubond design. It will not blow up at close range & out penetrate
a standard bullet, but yet due to the poly tip it will expand at longer ranges than any lead tipped bullet & also with higher BC & outstanding
accuracy. And all of this at a lower price than the Older but still very good Partition, WOW!!!
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2006, 07:30:33 PM »
I lived in Wyoming fron 1978 to 1994 and hunted the heck out of the place. Great country. The Accubond is on my list of trial bullets, I just haven't decided which caliber to staqrt with.
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« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2006, 07:52:10 PM »
Try the one with the highest velocity.........

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2006, 07:13:37 PM »
Mmmm, this is boggy ground indeed.
I face the same issues as Brithunter and the game I hunter is thinner skinned again.
And I'll ask another question.
Do you consider bullets like the Speer Bear Claws and Grand Slams as premium bullets?
What about the Hornady SST?
Or, for a really contentious one, Nosler Ballistic Tips?
All Nosler bullets are quite pricey here in Oz, and other brands are often even more exy.
If I was shooting really big game on a one off trip then my choice would be for a Woodleigh bullet of some kind (which of course are premium and pricey) and I don't doubt the performance of Partitions and Swift Sirroccos and Barnes TSX is excellent.
But can we therefore say that any bullets that don't fit into this group, like Remington Core Lokt, Speer Hot-Cor, Hornady Interlock and GameKings, are substandard and risky?
Isn't a it a bit of a leap?
I wish I could afford to use box after box of premium stuff but I am at the "feeding and clothing the kids" stage.
My shooting/hunting time means a lot to me as a result because I can't spend so much time in the field or even at the range.
I can't even take my 2 sons yet; they're 8 months and 2 respectively.
I don't impugn the abilities of premium pills.......just can't afford to use them most of the time.
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2006, 08:19:10 PM »
No the bullets you list as non premium, if used in the weights aplicable for the game hunted and properly placed will serve you well. If you are using enough gun this is doubly true. If for some reason you need extrordinary penetration then some of the more expensive bullets could be useful.
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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2006, 03:46:14 PM »
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No the bullets you list as non premium, if used in the weights aplicable for the game hunted and properly placed will serve you well. If you are using enough gun this is doubly true. If for some reason you need extrordinary penetration then some of the more expensive bullets could be useful.

Thanks, rick.
And these really are the reasons why I seldom feel the need to invest in premium bullets.
The game I hunt are feral animals usually or roo culls and don't need controlled expansion bullets; they're mostly thin skinned medium game.
Also, the 3 cals I presently load for(25-20, 303/25 and 8x57) are not really in need of premium bullets.
Both 25 cals are lower powered rounds that benefit from standard bullets that expand under average velocity conditions and the 8x57 can be made more formidable purely by heavier bullets should the need ever arise.
Mind you I'd like to see a controlled expansion bullet in 150gn for both 8mm and .311 cal as both produce their best velocities with bullets of these weight.
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« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2006, 05:40:18 PM »
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Knowing the needs for what YOU hunt is what is all about & it is clear that you have done it enough to know. It would be silly for someone on this side of the pond to tell you what bullets you need to shoot for animals that
we don't even hunt. It is good to read about your hunting over there.

By the same token, many of us hunt in a variety of enviorments & take a wide variety of animals. Some of us over here could do well to never
use anything but std. rounds & std. bullets. But some of us can & do benefit from using at times a little more horsepower & non-std. bullets. It
is up to the experienced hunters to understand this & use accordingly.
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« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2006, 02:51:40 AM »
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kombi1976
Knowing the needs for what YOU hunt is what is all about & it is clear that you have done it enough to know. It would be silly for someone on this side of the pond to tell you what bullets you need to shoot for animals that
we don't even hunt. It is good to read about your hunting over there.

By the same token, many of us hunt in a variety of enviorments & take a wide variety of animals. Some of us over here could do well to never
use anything but std. rounds & std. bullets. But some of us can & do benefit from using at times a little more horsepower & non-std. bullets. It
is up to the experienced hunters to understand this & use accordingly.

I totally understand your choice of projectiles and when I get involved in deer hunting(soon hopefully!) my choice in bullets for that application will be quite different, depending of course on the cal I use.
Another friend is a pro-shooter and has said I'm free to help him cull camels should the opportunity arise for me to go with him.
And I WILL be using premium pills for this should I get to do this, preferably the Woodleigh 8mm 250gn RNSNs.
Don't get the impression even for a moment that I presume to have anything but a theoretical understanding of your hunting conditions or familiarity with the game on offer in North America.
Hopefully one day I'll get a chance to hunt on your fine continent.
But for the moment, yeah, the exchange of information on conditions and game is fascinating so feel free to set me straight if I'm not quite correct. :oops:
This forum has been an excellent learning experience for me. :D
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« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2006, 04:29:36 PM »
Well put Kombi, & it is a learning experience for me as well! If hunting here is in you future plans, I hope those plans are fulfilled with a safe
& successful hunting experience.

I have for years thought it would be great to go to your part of the World & hunt your Water Buffalo if it is still done.  :D
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« Reply #39 on: June 21, 2006, 05:30:03 PM »
Thanks, mate.
Some Canadian mates in particular have offered to show me a good time, hunting that is, not dancing girls. :mrgreen:
So when I save up the plane fare I'll probably go there and hopefully bag some game; whitetail, caribou, elk, maybe even moose or black bear.
As far as water buffalo go, my next project rifle will be a classic "turn of the century" type Martini Henry in 45-70 with express sights.
That's the long arm I plan to use when I head north sometime in the future to hunt buffs.
They're the only truly dangerous game in Australia although much of the time they're pretty docile.
It's really a case of "don't screw with me and I won't leave you stomped and gored into a bloody mash" with Asiatic water buffalo, unlike Cape Buffalo which have the "you're alive so I should change that in the most violent manner possible" attitude.
My pro-shooter mate spent a fair bit of time when he was young culling them and he's used everything from a .303 using mil FMJ loads(both the MkI 215gn RN and the MkVII 174gn spitzer) and 375 H&H to the 45-70 Marlin he now prefers.
When he was young and stupid(and still using 303 FMJs) he was silly enough to stalk right up close and scream a whole lot of names at one big bull before pulling the trigger.........at which point the rifle went "click"(the firing pin had snapped) and the bull began the stomping and goring procedure!! :x
Fortunately his offsider was an exceptional shot, close at hand and the hospital wasn't too far away.
And then there was the time he shot a camel, strolled up to it to make sure it was dead and gave it a kick.
It kicked back in a more vengeful manner and he had to pump another few rounds into it at close range.
He copped some broken ribs from that one. :(
Pro shooting is clearly not all it's cracked up to be. :roll:
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