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.410......2 1/2" vs 3"
« on: September 09, 2006, 11:28:42 AM »
After patterning and old 37a .410 I picked up I have noticed  it has a distinct prefernce for 2 1/2" shells past the 18 yard or so mark. Both shoot well out until there then the 3" start to open up and has gaps in the pattern. The 2 1/2" is uniform all the waqy out til 25 yards or so. Anyone else have a 410 and noticed this?? Ive heard of this befor.
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Re: .410......2 1/2" vs 3"
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2006, 02:29:08 PM »
no.ive never noticed a problem with my 410 shootin 3" shells all the way out to 30 yards and it stays tight and does well

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Re: .410......2 1/2" vs 3"
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2006, 03:51:01 PM »
lil hunter what make of 410 do you have?
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Re: .410......2 1/2" vs 3"
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2006, 11:46:46 AM »
Kyboy... he indicated he had a "37a"... so it's probably a single shot .410 bore Winchester Model 37A shotgun.

As to the 3" vs. the 2½" shells... the 3 inch .410 shell has a 3/4 oz. "payload" whereas the 2½-inch shell has only a ½ oz. of shot, so under normal conditions, the 3-inch shell would have half again more shot in the pattern... and should have a 50% increase in pattern density... meaning it should have a 50% greater shot density than a 2½ shell in the pattern.

However, I suppose it is possible that a very old Model 37A might be chambered for 2½-inch shells ONLY.  The chamber for a 2½ inch shell would measure 2-3/4 inches long.  The chamber for a 3-inch shell will measure about 3¼ inches long.

The final 1/4-inch of the chamber is for the rolled crimp of the shell to open into.  Is the size of the shells that shotgun will shoot indicated on the outside of the barrel near the receiver on the left side of the barrel?  If it is designed to accept 3-inch shells, the barrel markings will tell you so.  If it is marked "2-3/4 inch only", then you should not shoot 3-inch shells in the gun.

If it is marked for "2½ inch shells only", then that is the reason "holes" might occur in your pattern when you're firing 3-inch shells in too short a chamber.  The rolled crimp of a 3-inch shell doesn't have enough room to open up and lay flat and get out of the way of the shot coming out of the shell. 

By interfering with the shot's ability to get out of the shell, down the barrel and through the gun's choke without interference, this could be the cause of an uneven pattern when using the longer shotshells.


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Re: .410......2 1/2" vs 3"
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2006, 02:19:03 PM »
Mine has a 3" chamber. Since making the post I have found that the rem 3" shells shoot pretty good. The original shells were Win. Go figure.
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Re: .410......2 1/2" vs 3"
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2006, 02:23:16 PM »
Also the 3" shells had 11/16 oz loads. Sadly few companys load 3/4 in a .410 anymore.
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Re: .410......2 1/2" vs 3"
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2006, 01:58:08 PM »
i have an old eastern arms .410 that some1 has choked down really tight.it will throw 6 to 8 inch patterns at 30 yards.my mind is starting to change to shooting only 2 1/2's tho they kill squirrels much better than the 3 inch shells for me