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Offline Mr. Joe

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Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« on: August 06, 2006, 03:37:56 AM »
.358 winchester
.35 wheelin
.350 remington magnum
.338 federal

Just curious about finding some non magnum bear ammo. I know the .350 rem is mag, but i hear its a light kicker.  Thanks all
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2006, 03:56:08 AM »
I think a more appropriate question would be "Does any one NOT regard these as bear cartridges?"

Its hard to argue with the effectiveness of a big hole, but for blacks I would be comfortable with a good bullet and anything .270 or up - including a .30-30.
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2006, 04:31:48 AM »
I'd say they are all good over bait, black bear
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2006, 06:20:09 AM »
Nothing wrong with any of your choices.
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2006, 08:00:35 AM »
I would use any of them, Whelen is my choice though...since I just got one..... ;)
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2006, 11:09:48 AM »
For Black  Bears, yes.  For Alaska Browns, I would go with the Whelen or the .350 Remington, just for my own peace of mind.
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2006, 11:52:04 AM »
I should have mentioned fellas...i was talking about brownies!
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 02:56:36 PM »
My 45-70 then.............. 8)
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2006, 03:25:49 PM »
Quote from: poncaguy on August 06, 2006, 02:56:36 PM
My 45-70 then.............. 8)

Ditto...
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2006, 04:23:27 PM »
Quote from: Mr. Joe on August 06, 2006, 03:37:56 AM
.358 winchester
.35 wheelin
.350 remington magnum
.338 federal

Just curious about finding some non magnum bear ammo. I know the .350 rem is mag, but i hear its a light kicker.  Thanks all

Why not try a 416 Rigby, it is not a Magnum.  ;D
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2006, 08:41:24 AM »
Quote from: Mr. Joe on August 06, 2006, 11:52:04 AM
I should have mentioned fellas...i was talking about brownies!

MJ, are you going to hunt these brutes? The stalk is pretty impressive and the rifle you have better best be able to stop a charge when the situation gets tense. I have gone after plenty of grizzly here in my area and can tell you the only difference between these interior and the coastal cousins is the food source and that definately brings about a greater need of a larger caliber.

You're selection is abit light. They can do if you have everything in your favor but that is not always the case. Those animals have the desire to live and are very intelligent-don't think otherwise.

good luck- you will need it.
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2006, 01:43:40 PM »
any of those will do .when I think bear I think over kill ain't so bad so how's about the 450 Marlin?
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2006, 01:56:33 PM »
Quote from: Redhawk1 on August 06, 2006, 04:23:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Joe on August 06, 2006, 03:37:56 AM
.358 winchester
.35 wheelin
.350 remington magnum
.338 federal

Just curious about finding some non magnum bear ammo. I know the .350 rem is mag, but i hear its a light kicker.  Thanks all

Why not try a 416 Rigby, it is not a Magnum.  ;D
for brownies i might try the 416 but i think my shoulder would hate me ;D
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2006, 07:04:06 PM »
For Black Bears they are all great.  For Grizzly, .358 Winchester- too slow not enough energy.  .338 Federal, I honestly can't say about this cartridge, it's too new and unproven, but I don't feel the energy would be there.  It's parent cartridge the .308Win is totally unacceptiable.  .350 Rem Mag-The bullet is too light.  The 350 can only be loaded with a 200 grain bullet and still fit into the magazine, a 225 or 250 grain bullet is too long.  I know this I own two of them.  Of the three the .35 Whelen is the only one I fell is suitiable for Grizzlies or Alaskian Brown Bear.  The Whelen can be loaded with a 250grain bullet.  For the Brown Bear it is the suggested minimum.
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2006, 07:43:55 PM »
Why not a 338 Win Mag?  Middle of the road from the Whelen and 416  Rigby and it will get the job done.  At least, so I've read.
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2006, 04:48:10 AM »
I was just curious as to the medium bore bear stopers.  I would probaly reguard the .338 win mag as the champ of the popular rounds in the middle bores.  I personly reguard the .45-70 as a great heavy game stopper and its available in some real handy platforms, so on a bear hunt, i think thats what i would go for.  Im not going brownie hunting, but im going to be hunting other species in bear country, so i think ill pick up a 45-70 guide  gun stoked with some real hanus handloads or garrets etc.  for the camp gun.  In my research it seems the .45-70 would be about the best thing going, esp. in a quick handeling rifle like the marlin.  Sounds like the round is gaining in popularity on the dark continent as well with the hotter loads.  Ive seen 5 articles in the last two weeks about cape buffalo hunting with the .45-70 and everyone said it was fantastic.  Then to top it off, i saw a penetration test were it out penetrated the .375, .458 win, and 458 lott.  http://www.handloads.com/misc/linebaugh.penetration.tests.asp. Look at that 540 grain hammer head! :o
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 07:44:05 AM »
Brown bears I'd take my 416 Rem nothing less.
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Re: Does anybody reguard these as bear cartridges?
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2006, 04:02:59 PM »
Quote from: jro45 on August 09, 2006, 07:44:05 AM
Brown bears I'd take my 416 Rem nothing less.


 And I would take my 416 Rigby for Brown Bear.
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