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Offline killswitharrows

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.30-06 Ruger...issues
« on: September 04, 2006, 01:32:27 PM »
I have an older Ruger M77. Just the M77 not the MKI or MKII. I bought it used 10 years ago when I was still in the Active Army. It shoots pretty well, but I know that it can shoot better. 1.75" groups are about all I can get out of it ...on a good day. The rounds it like best are the Winchester Power Points in 150 gr.

My question is this: Can I expect to tighten this gun up with hand loads? It shoots good enough for hunting. I've killed antelope out to 327 laser yards with it. I've also had a gunsmith go through it an work the trigger. He bedded what he could. Said that the Rugers have an angled screw that doesn't lend it's self to bedding very easily.

I'm thinking of getting into hand loading but wonder it it will help this gun?

Comments Please.

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Re: .30-06 Ruger...issues
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2006, 07:35:17 PM »
Most rifles can be made to shoot better with the right handload.  You just have to be prepared to do some experimenting in a structured fashion to find what it likes.

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Re: .30-06 Ruger...issues
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2006, 03:25:08 AM »
I wouldn't recommend getting into hand loading if you just want to tighten the groups of one gun. For one thing, it will be cheaper to replace the gun. You're better off trying a few other brands of ammo. 150 grain bullets are a little light for a 30-06 so try some Federal 165 grain factory ammo first. I have found that Federal centerfire ammo is consistently excellent. After that, try some 150 grain Federals. Then maybe try one other popular brand in 165 grain and see what you get for accuracy.

I've used handloading as a vehicle for wringing maximum accuracy out of one project gun. Never again! It's too expensive. I tried several powders and bullets. For the price I paid for components I could have bought a custom barrel and had it professionally installed.

If you can't tune it quickly by using a different brand of ammo, then forget reloading and decide whether you want to have some work done to the gun, or replace the gun. Remember, these days $500 will get you an excellent Tikka, CZ, or Savage rifle and you'll be able to sell the Ruger.

By the way, Ruger will tell you that 1.75" is within tolerance for them, as they expect centerfire rifles to shoot into 2" at 100 yards.
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Re: .30-06 Ruger...issues
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2006, 03:50:18 AM »
Try another gunsmith! The Ruger 77 can be glass bedded it just takes someone who knows what they're doing. I agree with the suggestion to try other brands of ammo. Another trick you might try is messing with the bedding in the barrel chanel. Add a buisness card or two at the ridge they leave near the forend tip, sometimes the extra pressure helps. You could also try floating the barrel. There are a lot of things to try other than reloading. I reload for over 40 different calibers, but wouldn't bother for just one. Maybe you could ask around to see if someone local can load for you. If you do try 165gr Sierra or Hornady BTSP over 57.0 Grs  IMR-4350 with a std force primer. I've never found an '06 that wouldn't shoot this load.
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Re: .30-06 Ruger...issues
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2006, 07:28:08 AM »
If you have taken an antelope at 327 yards that is darn far.

There is one thing about the older M77's that you need to know.  The barrels that Ruger used for those rifles were outsourced and not made by them.  Some of them are hit or miss for really good accuracy.  I'm not saying that all of those early M77s were junk, far from it as I too own one, it's just SOME only give so-so groups.  The new M77 mkll's use in house made barrels of a much higher spec and are, as a whole, more accurate than years ago.

So what to do.

I agree with what has been said above.  If you do not shoot much it may be hard to recover the costs involved with starting up the hobby of handloading.  Try some different factory loads.  If you go to your local gun shop he may have other brands or types to try or order.  If you don't have that option some fine sources can be located on the internet or by mail order.

Have a REALLY good gunsmith check out your rifle.  Some offer accuracy tune ups with a group size guarantee.  Your gun might be helped by a good redone crown on the barrel and that bedding job.

I would also see if there is something about your benchrest technique that could help with accuracy.  Proper rifle rests with good sandbags and a firm platform with good trigger control technique might help you.  If you are leaning over the back of a pickup or have the rifle resting on a rolled up coat that does not help.  You say you were in the military so that might not be a problem.  My point is step back and see if you can do better.

I would recommend you find someone that already handloads and go over to his place and have him load you some ammo to try.  If, after you have tried this several times with different loads you made, your gun responds to these custom loads and if you think you want to get into handloading go for it.  Who am I to tell you not to.  I think it might be better if you did it with somebody to see the possible expense or boredom involved.

Handloading can get expensive at start-up and for any and all load development process.  Once you get into the hobby it might be something you like.  Pride in assembly, accuracy, money saved (although this may take AWHILE to recover from the initial purchase of equipment), having fun, stress relief, are all reasons guys have used for getting into handloading.  If one of them is your reason then that is a valid reason to start the hobby. 
The expense of a true handloading set-up and load development might very well be as much as a new barrel job or a new rifle.  For only one rifle it would not pay off.  If you are going to expand your gun cabinet inventory then in the long run it might.  The old rifle in trade and some extra cash would get you a new M77, or other rifle, that may shoot much better.

Check out all of these options but you are the one to decide.   
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Re: .30-06 Ruger...issues
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2006, 07:18:39 AM »
if the rifle is that old... what is the condition of the barrel?  It might just need a good cleaning, getting rid of the copper and other fouling.

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Re: .30-06 Ruger...issues
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2006, 09:08:50 AM »
If you are unhappy with that 77 and want to sell it, send me pictures and your asking price.