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Offline knight0334

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12ga Bore Diameters
« on: September 11, 2006, 07:06:47 AM »
I picked up a new KBI Turkish made 12ga SXS hammergun a couple weekends ago.  The box said IC/IC for chokes, but the dealer's tag said M/IC.

So, I mic'd the muzzles and came up with these sizes..

left tube:  .696"
right tube: .735"

I know cylinder is about .731" standard.  I did some Google'n and came up with varying measurements for chokes.  I do know the right tube is definately Cylinder(almost blunderbuss - lol).  The left tube I'm guessing is Modified or Improved Modified.

I'd like to know for sure so I can better prepare myself in the field.

Thanx for any input you guys/gals can offer.
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Re: 12ga Bore Diameters
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 10:20:23 AM »
That left tube is extremely tight, likely will shoot more like full or super full I'd guess. Without measuring you really don't know just what the bore diameter is as these days there is little standard on it anymore. Just too many folks backboring or over boring to call anything standard these days. It used to be either .725"or .729", the latter I think but most were in that range way back when. Now a days it's more like .735" to .745" with most guns.


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Re: 12ga Bore Diameters
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2006, 02:28:11 AM »
Thank you Graybeard!

Yeah, I've learned that too about not knowing the choke til you measure it for sure.  In the last 10-15 years I've own a number of scatterguns, each's bore differing to some degree or another with same "choke".

The tight bore on the left tube works out great for me.  I like a tight and scatter pattern combo in a sxs.  Hopefully it'll help me bag some prizes at the upcoming turkey shoots at the sportsmans club.   ...my old Mossberg w/modified tube has brought home plenty of steaks, sides of pork, and gobblers - but not as regularly as I'd like :D
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Re: 12ga Bore Diameters
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2006, 12:31:50 PM »
Knight......

The ONLY way to really tell how the gun is choked is to pattern the gun and count the holes.

To pattern a shotgun, use a piece of plain paper (like the back of a large paper target) and put an aiming point (like a bright orange self-sticking sticker in the center of the paper).

Put the paper on a target board 40 yards away and fire at the center of the paper.  Then put a 30-inch circle around the most dense part of your gun's pattern on the paper and count the number of shot inside the 30-inch circle.

Then divide the number of shot inside the 30-inch circle by the total number of shot in your shotshell.  The decimal answer is your percentage of shot inside the pattern and the indicator of how much choke that barrel has.

I will list the total number of shot in some normal 12 gauge loads according to shot size so you can do the work and figure out the chokes. 

Normally, a cylinder bore (no choke) will put 40% of the shot inside that 30-inch circle.
Improved cylinder choke = 50%
Modified choke = 60%
Full choke = 70%

Since the standard 12 gauge load is 1¼ ounces of shot, here's the shot-count of the various sizes of shot in 1¼ ounce load:

#6 shot = 281
#7½ "   = 437
#8    "   = 513

Divide the number of shot-holes you count in the densest part of the pattern around which you've drawn that 30-inch circle and then divide that number by the above number that is appropriate for the size of shot you're using in your gun for patterning.  The answer will  yield a decimal number like .61 (or "61%") which is the percentage actual percentage of the shot in the pattern within a 30-inch circle at 40 yards.  This percentage will determine your choke(s).  Therefore, a .61 or 61% pattern would be a slightly tighter pattern than a "modified" choke, but close enough to call it a "modified choke".

As an example, let's say you're using #6 shot and shooting a 12 gauge shotshell that has 1¼ ounces of shot indicated on the outside of the shell box.  And let's also say that you pattern the left barrel with #6 shot and you count 217 shot-holes inside that 30-inch circle.  If you divide 217 by 281 (the number of #6 shot in a 1¼ ounce load), the answer is ".61" or "61%.  That would indicate the choke was very slightly greater than a "modified" choke.

For all intents and purposes, you would call that a "modified choke".

Also note WHERE your gun barrels pattern.  If they shoot in the center, you'll be indeed fortunate.  If they shoot high... or high to the left or right, you should take note of that and remember it on longer shots so that you can center your shot pattern on the game at any range.

Often... inexpensive (and even some "expensive") double-barreled shotgun's barrels are not too well "regulated" and will not center their patterns in the center of a piece of patterning paper at 40 yards.

However, perfectly "regulating" shotgun barrels on double guns can be a very expensive undertaking and not worth the cost or effort unless you are a rich perfectionest with lots of patience.


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Re: 12ga Bore Diameters
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2006, 06:40:11 AM »
Knight0334,

The choke dementions on KBI's seem to be all over the place. I bought a KBI/Charles Daly .410 O/U that was marked F/F on the gun and the box. No kidding they were superfull at .375-.376. Full choke on a standard bored .410 is .395. The range of chokes in a .410 goes from cyl.-.410, IC-.405, Mod.-.400, and full-.395 a range of .015 total. These were .020 under that. I couldn't get a patch on a .410 jag through them. I bought an adjustable reamer and a hone and opened them to .402 Lt. mod. for shooting skeet. I did four other .410 choke jobs so the reamer paid for itself. When I measured them the first time I thought my calipers had broken or something. :o

Non-backbored 12ga run .725 to .731 with Italian guns on the tight end and US & Jap guns on the big side.
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Re: 12ga Bore Diameters
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 09:58:36 AM »
i like to pattern mine on an old deep freeze in my grandpa's dump. i take a can of spray paint and lay a thin coat down and let it dry. i then can count the marks in the paint and where it dents the metal (pretty much the same principle, i just always found the paper would shred with too dense of a load). just a little easier for me.  although with my gobble stopper choke in my charles daily, there is no chance in counting the pellets, they are too dense with my handloads.
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