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"Rare" Cartridges In Valmet 412's
« on: August 08, 2006, 01:37:03 PM »
  While digging through a long forgotten tool box today, i came across some "rare" cartridges that were chambered in Valmet 412 bbl sets.  These were called the "RDS" line of cartridges named after the designer, by Fred Hunington of RCBS.  I only call them "rare", because not all that many of them were chambered, compared to the number of 412's that were sold world wide.
 

L to R .416 RDS           .375 RDS            .338 RDS           and 30-06 spg. for comparison
 
  The RDS cases are made from *RCBS basic brass, shortened to 2.800" and necked to .338, .375, and .416 with a 25º shoulder....  The .375 was by far the most sold, with at least two hunters from California takeing them to Africa, harvesting all kinds of different animials with them.
 
  The goal of this line of cartridges, was to get decent velocities with modern "rimmed" brass, in break open modern combo or double rifles, while keeping pressures to where the gun/cart. could be "depended on" to work in any weather.  This worked out very well, and no attempt was made to push these to their MAX....  In something like a Ruger #1, these cartridges could be real screamers as the case capacity "is" there....
 
  Cases, and dies were sold with the bbl. sets, and also factory loaded ammo was offered for sale with 285 grain "bonded core" hand swaged copper jacket bullets. 
 
  Accuracy was very good with all three of these cartridges, usually with the first 3 shots grouping very close and the 4th and 5th opening up a bit as the bbl. heated.
 

 
  How do i know all of this info is accurate?  Well, because i'm the one who designed them, and i also sold them through my shop in Alaska long ago....
 
  This is  NOT  some kind of an advertisement... I no longer have a gunshop, and i don't have any of the above forsale...  I just thought maybe some of you would find all of this interesting info, in case in the future you ran across one of the bbl. sets...
 
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* RCBS basic cases were mfg by B.E.L.L. for RCBS

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Re: "Rare" Cartridges In Valmet 412's
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2006, 04:31:31 PM »
Drilling Man very informative... Thanks  Doug

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Re: "Rare" Cartridges In Valmet 412's
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 07:10:10 PM »
If somone wanted an "in-expensive" double rifle that will handle the big brass, there is a guy in Colorado building DR's with CZ shotgun's. I've talked to him about it alot with thoughts of a 45-120 smokless loads tossing a 500 grn slug out at 2000fps. He builds a liner and installs it in the shotgun tubes. He builds them in a variety of calibers from 405 Win. up to 50-140. All regulated for the caliber.
 I decided to grab a Pedersoli DR in 9.3X74R instead. That is one sweet shooting rifle!
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Re: "Rare" Cartridges In Valmet 412's
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 09:58:34 PM »
What case they can use to form RDS?
Mercie for the measurements of cases.
Them measure of 416 RDS not sound not even I paunches that 338 RDS is 375 RDS!!!
 Could you to give me dies them from three cases because it postponing sound????
Tone can to form them of case
 9.3 x 74 mm R  ???

Mercie :)

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Re: "Rare" Cartridges In Valmet 412's
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 06:46:24 PM »
MR DRILLING MAN IN THE 416 WHAT WAS THE VELOCITY AND BULLET WEIGHT USED

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Re: "Rare" Cartridges In Valmet 412's
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2007, 04:31:26 AM »
  All of the RDS cartridges were formed from RCBS Basic cases as stated above.  The 9.3x74R case is smaller and cannot be used..

  The bullet i used in the 416's was the 400 grain Barnes and i can't remember the velocity...  I looked in my old notes, and i can't find it either...  I also fired 400 grain hard lead bullets that i cast from an NEI mould....

  I think i only put together 2 or 3 416's and i have no idea where the guns are today....

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