Author Topic: another pic of dustins bear this one is impressive (Read 2912 times)

Lloyd Smale · « **on:** October 08, 2006, 01:33:02 PM »

and note the wear and tear on his gun. Look like hes shot it FEW times! http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=208184;article=206748;title=Frontier%20Sixshooter%20Message%20Board

Camel 23 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2006, 01:36:28 PM »

Looks like fun dragging.

rdnzl · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2006, 04:27:19 PM »

Would that be good eating?

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2006, 10:24:54 PM »

Dustin or the bear

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 09, 2006, 05:44:38 AM »

Wow! Just compare the size of the bear's nose to the heads of the people - that's a big butt bear.

rdnzl · « **Reply #5 on:** October 09, 2006, 06:02:23 AM »

Seriously.....would that bear be good eating, or would he be a tough ol' piece of leather, and only good as a trophy?

fowler · « **Reply #6 on:** October 09, 2006, 07:23:26 AM »

I don't personnally care for pics of animals proped on anything with their mouths hanging open. Kind of disrespectful I feel. I admit sometimes they work well but most of the time... I really liked the 2nd picture of the bear laying in the tundra and Dustin holding his wheelgun over the animal, very tasteful in my never humble opinion.

What I would like to see is a close up of that Bisley Vaquero, I want to see exactly what the grip wood is, the wear and tear on the gun, and the front sight system he installed. I can tell he changed the front sight I just don't know to exactly what. Just curious how a professional set up his own gun when he could make it anyway he wanted to.....

Camel 23 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:58:52 AM »

Fowler,
This is the best I can do with the originals. Hope it helps.

Camel 23 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:07:01 PM »

Very similar to the 500 that he built for Lloyd so I'm sure he can give you more information about that sight and those grips.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #9 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:28:16 PM »

the gun is like was said a .475 It was one of two two toned bisley vaquero .475s that John built using a grip frame he made from scratch. They were pictured in an article did many years ago in Guns magazine. My buddy AL has the other one. The grips are walnut that Dustin made. Dustin has been making grips since he was young and KNOWS GRIPS. There is not a better feeling in the hand bisley grip or a bisley grip that handles recoil like dustins. Ive had a couple people even try copying them but dustin just has a feel for it. He is working with his father now building guns and has take the linebaugh gun to a different level. His father built working guns. Guns that were intended to ride hard and put away wet. Dustin puts the same mechanical quality that his father did but goes a step futher by doing some real slick customizing. I wouldnt want to guess the round count of that old .475. But it surely higher then all the 500s and 475s ive owned combined. Probably the only linebaugh gun that has been shot more is my buddy ALs.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #10 on:** October 09, 2006, 12:29:56 PM »

ps the sight is a drift adj slanted post with gold bars that dustin makes.

rdnzl · « **Reply #11 on:** October 09, 2006, 02:25:41 PM »

Guys!

Nobody has an answer?

Are these behemoths any good to eat?

Camel 23 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 09, 2006, 02:35:29 PM »

I found this picture in the archives that show the front sight better. I'm sure its the same sight that Dustin put on his own gun.

Quote from: rdnzl on October 09, 2006, 02:25:41 PM

Guys!

Nobody has an answer?

Are these behemoths any good to eat?

I have no idea what it taste like but it sure would fill the freezer.

Probably taste like chicken.

jd45 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2006, 04:06:32 PM »

rdnzl, I can only say I wouldn't hunt bear, as I wouldn't eat anything that ate carrion. Bears are omniviourous, they'll eat anything, including dead other animals. Just my peculiarity, I guess. Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question about how this one might taste. BTW, nice pic of Frank & the cat, JD45

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #14 on:** October 09, 2006, 04:53:58 PM »

Hey look folks, its a scam when the hunter and guide are positioned behind the bear and the picture is taken with a WIDE ANGLE LENS!!! Geeze, you can make a yearling look like King Kong with the technique.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2006, 12:11:14 AM »

Im sure that some are eaten or at least have been. I read once that there pretty heavy with parasites and probably wouldnt myself. But if you think about it they eat about the same thing a black bear eats when in the same area and they get ate.

Quote from: rdnzl on October 09, 2006, 06:02:23 AM

Seriously.....would that bear be good eating, or would he be a tough ol' piece of leather, and only good as a trophy?

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #16 on:** October 10, 2006, 12:15:52 AM »

why is it that no matter what the post theres allways someone that has to get negative. The bear went @800 lbs and i dont care what the pictures look like that one big animal! One id surely be proud to have taken. Only thing ive taken bigger with a handgun is a couple buffalo and that just aint the same!

Quote from: Dusty Miller on October 09, 2006, 04:53:58 PM

Hey look folks, its a scam when the hunter and guide are positioned behind the bear and the picture is taken with a WIDE ANGLE LENS!!! Geeze, you can make a yearling look like King Kong with the technique.

Frenchy · « **Reply #17 on:** October 10, 2006, 12:26:15 AM »

I'm sure that anyone with half a brain will realize that the perspective of the bear is magnified in the photo, but as Lloyd has said....BIG IS BIG!

fowler · « **Reply #18 on:** October 10, 2006, 03:51:40 AM »

Thanks for the pics guys. Looking a new guns or safe queens are nice but I like the well worn look to guns if they got the wear honestly. Life should not be lived from the sidelines.

I looked but it seemed the front sight was more the type of drift front sight that Bowen puts in that you can change front blades on. Thought long and hard about trying that Bowen type of a front sight on my Bisley Vaquero but I am trying just turning the barrel and reshaping the front sight for now. It appears a 300gr WFNGC LBT at 1050 to 1100fps will hit right to the top of the front sight at 50 yards, and that is the load I had designs for this gun all along with. If It shoots well but not to this loading, or one very close in power levels then I might go to a drift front sight. Ultimately it will have a couple of gold Keith cross bars on the front sight too. We will see.

Are the two Vaqueros in the pic both the two of Lloyd's that I have heard of that Dustin made? And if so, if you don't mind my asking about what type of cash outlay is in that octagon barreled blued gun? That is one pretty beast! I need a little more detail if I may pry.....

pastorp · « **Reply #19 on:** October 10, 2006, 06:16:03 AM »

Very few interior grizzles will weight 800#. If you want Alaska hunters and guides opinions on this bear look on the www.24hourcampfire.com forum. Loyd posted the pictures there also. The weight was estimated. Repeat estimated. Very few alaska bears are weighed in the back country. Regards, Byron

pastorp · « **Reply #20 on:** October 10, 2006, 10:47:35 AM »

rdnzl, since your question was largely overlooked by most I will respond. In Alaska the game laws require the hunter to salvage the meat on spring black bears but not on the ones killed in the fall. Brown bears( all grizzlies are called brown bears in alaska, weather they are costal or interior bears) only the hide, claws, & shull must be salvaged except in subsistance hunts.

In the fall the bears (black & brown) are feeding on the samon runs or have been recently, if they are in costal areas. The meat has a strong fishy taste that most don't like. The interior bears are eatible during both seasons. In the spring when the bears come out of their dens the first food available to them is usually winter kills of moose,ect. and their first meals are these. Dosen't seam to hurt the flavor of the meat though. In the coastal areas their diet will be more grasses, etc. when they first come out of the dens. Just depends on how far north they are.

To answer your guestion directly. Yes the meat from and interior brown bear would be eatible.

Regards, Byron

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #21 on:** October 10, 2006, 01:10:20 PM »

I wont quote you exact prices but both will cost you over two grand. The oct barreled gun would probably push 3000. Both are far from safe queens I put 500 rounds through the oct barreled gun just in the last week and its probably had a couple thousand through it since new. The stainless guns round cout is probably close to 10000. The stainless 500 was built by john Linebaugh and the blued oct barrel gun was built by dustin. Both are excellent shooters by the way.

Quote from: fowler on October 10, 2006, 03:51:40 AM

Thanks for the pics guys. Looking a new guns or safe queens are nice but I like the well worn look to guns if they got the wear honestly. Life should not be lived from the sidelines.

I looked but it seemed the front sight was more the type of drift front sight that Bowen puts in that you can change front blades on. Thought long and hard about trying that Bowen type of a front sight on my Bisley Vaquero but I am trying just turning the barrel and reshaping the front sight for now. It appears a 300gr WFNGC LBT at 1050 to 1100fps will hit right to the top of the front sight at 50 yards, and that is the load I had designs for this gun all along with. If It shoots well but not to this loading, or one very close in power levels then I might go to a drift front sight. Ultimately it will have a couple of gold Keith cross bars on the front sight too. We will see.

Are the two Vaqueros in the pic both the two of Lloyd's that I have heard of that Dustin made? And if so, if you don't mind my asking about what type of cash outlay is in that octagon barreled blued gun? That is one pretty beast! I need a little more detail if I may pry.....

fowler · « **Reply #22 on:** October 10, 2006, 02:34:59 PM »

I didn't want to imply that you didn't shoot your guns, it's just something about a well used gun that has served a good life. Seriously you obviously take care of your toys but how have you put that many rounds through thoise guns and still have them look like they are brand new? There is no cylinder ring, scratches, or holster wear marks. My Les Baer was purchased 18 months ago and carried a fair bit, likely has 7000 rouonds through it and the Bear coat finish shows some use. The gun is definately not abused but It will not pass for a unused gun.

Anyways if you don't mind my quizzing more. What loads are they tuned to? With the Vaquero choice obviously you must have settle on one load for each of them and have they been used on game? My favorite handgun I have ever seen in Ross Seyfried's no. 13 and this gun had a lot of the same qualities about it but is definatly a different beast in its own right. Just really intreged by that blued gun.

Camel 23 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 10, 2006, 03:58:20 PM »

Quote from: fowler on October 10, 2006, 02:34:59 PM

Seriously you obviously take care of your toys but how have you put that many rounds through thoise guns and still have them look like they are brand new? There is no cylinder ring, scratches, or holster wear marks.

LMAO

If you only new how Lloyd takes care of his guns! Theres no holster wear because there's no holster, when he's done shooting them he'll throw them in the back of his truck and drive home. I give him crap out it and he'll say they're just tools. Meanwhile, I'll be wiping down my stock off-the-shelf Rugers and put them away neatly in their cases for a safe ride home while he's laughing at me. Sorry Lloyd didn't mean to let your secret methods of gun care out but I couldn't hold back.

rdnzl · « **Reply #24 on:** October 10, 2006, 04:02:52 PM »

Quote from: pastorp on October 10, 2006, 10:47:35 AM

rdnzl, since your question was largely overlooked by most I will respond. In Alaska the game laws require the hunter to salvage the meat on spring black bears but not on the ones killed in the fall. Brown bears( all grizzlies are called brown bears in alaska, weather they are costal or interior bears) only the hide, claws, & shull must be salvaged except in subsistance hunts.

In the fall the bears (black & brown) are feeding on the samon runs or have been recently, if they are in costal areas. The meat has a strong fishy taste that most don't like. The interior bears are eatible during both seasons. In the spring when the bears come out of their dens the first food available to them is usually winter kills of moose,ect. and their first meals are these. Dosen't seam to hurt the flavor of the meat though. In the coastal areas their diet will be more grasses, etc. when they first come out of the dens. Just depends on how far north they are.

To answer your guestion directly. Yes the meat from and interior brown bear would be eatible.

Regards, Byron

Thanks for the info.

I hadn't thought about the fish thing.

fowler · « **Reply #25 on:** October 10, 2006, 06:47:22 PM »

Camel thanks for the blow ups of Dustin's gun, I love it. Give me a well worn pistol like that any day, better yet let me have a custom pistol built to exactly my tastes (Not that they are not ever changeing) and let me put that much wear on one. I will tell you one thing, If I carried a gun that much, shot it that much, with a single gun, sight, and load combination I guarantee you I will be able to shoot it well and not have a 200 yard shot be a unethical one. My hat is off to Dustin with that long poke at a bear and knowing it would be dead, he knows he limitations and they are just a little beyond mine!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #26 on:** October 10, 2006, 11:30:48 PM »

the pics your are looking at are of the blued gun before it was ever shot by me. The stainless gun is pretty easy to keep looking have way decent but the blued gun has blueing wear and scatches in places now. Like camel said im not much on babying guns. They get cleaned when they get so gunky the actions get stiff. I rarely ever clean a barrel and i usually just hose them down with break cleaner and wipe some oil on them and thats just the big buck guns the cheaper ones dont even get much of that. Guns are tools for shooting. Granted im a little more careful with that oct barreled case hardened gun but its far from a safe queen.

Quote from: fowler on October 10, 2006, 02:34:59 PM

I didn't want to imply that you didn't shoot your guns, it's just something about a well used gun that has served a good life. Seriously you obviously take care of your toys but how have you put that many rounds through thoise guns and still have them look like they are brand new? There is no cylinder ring, scratches, or holster wear marks. My Les Baer was purchased 18 months ago and carried a fair bit, likely has 7000 rouonds through it and the Bear coat finish shows some use. The gun is definately not abused but It will not pass for a unused gun.

Anyways if you don't mind my quizzing more. What loads are they tuned to? With the Vaquero choice obviously you must have settle on one load for each of them and have they been used on game? My favorite handgun I have ever seen in Ross Seyfried's no. 13 and this gun had a lot of the same qualities about it but is definatly a different beast in its own right. Just really intreged by that blued gun.

fowler · « **Reply #27 on:** October 11, 2006, 07:50:51 AM »

Lloyd is the stainless gun the gun from Dustin's website that is framing the "if life gets boring risk it!" without the scrimshaw work? Just dawned on me that it looked awfully close and I new that John had built that gun. So I began to wonder...

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #28 on:** October 11, 2006, 12:37:01 PM »

no that gun is Kelly Brosts .500 that dustin built him on a standard (non bisley) vaquero. Kelly is a little more recoil tolerant then me or most people. My stainless gun was built by John about 4 years ago. It was probably the first 4 inch gun John built. Actually Kelly has another 4 inch that John built him identical to mine that he had John build after he shot mine.

Quote from: fowler on October 11, 2006, 07:50:51 AM

Lloyd is the stainless gun the gun from Dustin's website that is framing the "if life gets boring risk it!" without the scrimshaw work? Just dawned on me that it looked awfully close and I new that John had built that gun. So I began to wonder...

Scott T · « **Reply #29 on:** October 22, 2006, 09:50:57 PM »

Dustin put that same front sight on my carry gun.

It is drift adjustable and the gold bars make longer shots easier IF you shoot it enough.