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Re: Conservative Christians..are you more or less likely to vote..
« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2006, 02:17:09 AM »
  Right on Brett...

  And if the libs get their way politically,  sensible (re non-liberal) people will even more strongly advise one to keep guns, just as in Israel....and for the same reason..
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2006, 03:46:30 AM »
Basically, I think that Homeland Security, as presently constituted, is a bad joke on ourselves.

And as for taxes, the choice is between tax and spend liberals and spend spend spend Republicans. Neither choice excites me enough to vote for a Dem or a Republican.

For the most part, I just want to be left alone to the greatest extent possible and neither Dems nor Republicans have that as their outlook. Both are in favor of bigger government intrusion into my life. Honestly, I've about given up on participating because I think that both parties want to take this country down paths I don't want to go.

Bingo Nabob......Homeland security has grown the size of the federal government by almost 30% and accounts for a lot of the budget increases, gives power to the executive branch of government that isn't given by the constitution and takes away states rights.

I too, just want to be left alone.  Heck, I can't burn a brush pile without Uncle Sam charging me a fee and telling me if, when, and how much I can burn.  This type of law, set by a government agency, threatens local governments with penalties should they fail to comply, thus taking power away from state and local governments and gives it to the federal government in violation of the 10th amendment.  This is Bravo Sierra.

To vote for the lesser of the two evils will make certain the trend continues.

Given a reasonable third party choice, i.e. not Ralph Nador, I will vote third party......

No vote is a wasted vote.

When and if the Republicans or Democrats start working for me, then I will consider giving them my vote.

Voting for things I don't approve of makes me part of the conspiracy.

If no other choice exists, then I will have to choose between the lesser of the two evils.

I do agree that certain Democrats such as Diane Fienstein have voiced the need to remove guns from the public.  I have no written proof, but have read some of her comments and seen video clips on TV that express her point of view.  The way I see it, gun control is something that appears over time.  There won't be an out right ban, but working in the gun business, I see people every day who have a genuine fear of firearms...there is no basis for their fear, but they won't touch them.

These people have never fired a gun and have no real basis for their fear other that what's fed to them in school and by the media.  Public schools are teaching our children that firearms are bad....and something that should be avoided.  Neither of my two son in laws own guns.  Both love to shoot, but the fear of one of their children being hurt in a gun accident prevents them from keeping a gun in their home.  This is a huge difference from my childhood where every house had at least a shotgun hanging on the wall and the government promoted marksmanship through programs such as CMP and coordinated with the NRA.  My oldest grandson loves to visit because I take him to practice his marksmanship.

Gun control is, and will occur slowly, and over time, the restrictions will become tighter until only the upper class will able to afford to own guns.  One way this is occurring is by propagating the myth that the only legitimate use of a gun is for hunting.  In case you haven't noticed, hunting is becoming more expensive every year.  License fee's are at all time highs and the leasing of large tracts of land are limiting the use to the affluent.  Hunting is quickly becoming a rich mans sport.

Just the other night, a little old lady sat down at the gun counter.  She didn't say her neighborhood was bad, but that it was "getting a little rough" and she though she would like a small handgun.   Although I didn't ask, and she didn't say, my perception was that she was on a fixed income and could ill afford the price required to purchase the least expensive handgun available for sale.  She kept asking "do you have anything a little cheaper?  Needless to say, she went home empty handed, forced to live in fear because of economic circumstance.

The gun control act of 1968, by the elimination of the lower priced "saturday night special" has served to deny handguns to those without money and has disarmed a class of people who need them the most.

I love liberty.  As a lover of liberty I cannot support those who work to take it away.  From my point of view that would be both main stream parties.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."
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Re: Conservative Christians..are you more or less likely to vote..
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2006, 09:16:04 AM »
It cracks me up, when I hear......I'm a Rep,or I'm a Dem and I'll vote my party every time the polls open.Sort of like choose sides and smell armpits!! What if a Hitler, or Mao or Stalin ran? Would you still vote your party? With the exception of perhaps a couple of honest politico's in DC the rest (STINK) and need to go home!! It took me almost 40 yrs to realize there is NO lesser of two evils. Evil is just Evil.This year I will vote Independent. Google up the Constitution Party and check them out!!!

You just as well go hunting or fishing instead of voting.............. you'll just be wasting your time voting............. sorry just being honest!

If you don't like the candidates in either party, join one and run for office as a member of that party...............

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« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2006, 12:15:56 PM »
If one wastes a vote by voting for a candidate that loses, then 59 million people wasted their votes in 2004 by voting for Kerry. Of course, I'd say that they wasted their vote if Kerry won, but that's another story!!  :D :D

In every election, somebody is going to lose. I can't see how it is wasting one's vote just because one's candidate loses. I figure that wasting one's vote comes from voting for someone one doesn't like in hopes of defeating a candidate that is even more objectionable.

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« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2006, 01:34:47 PM »
This is all about retaining our rights as long as we can.  This is how it's done.  When they come to get your guns, remember what we told you.

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« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2006, 02:20:12 PM »
Back to scare tactics, when all else fails.

Doesn't work with me.

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« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2006, 02:45:14 PM »
Voting for a 3rd party candidate who has no chance of winning (such as good ole Perot) IS WASTING your vote.....  all we gained was Bill Clinton in the White House............

Ever wonder why the Dem's were all for Perot but cried like heck over Brown...........

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« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2006, 03:09:39 PM »
"Doesn't work with me"

Didn't work on Randy Weaver or David Koresh either.

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« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2006, 03:28:58 PM »
NABOB. Bill clinton was the first I remember to say this just before he was elected the first time. He said, there is no reason for any private citizen to own a gun, that's why we have our military, and police. I've heard this repeated by hillary, and several other dumcraps since then.
They promote abortion and homo agendas by openly supporting them and decrying these peoples so called rights. They do this to get votes from the immoral of this nation. I saw a dumcrap on national tv after the 2004 election and I believe he pretty well described the dumcrap party with his answer to the question as to why they were beaten so badly. His reply was, who'd of thought that morality could mean that muxh. Spoken like a true dumcrap. The democratic party of my Father is long dead. Right and wrong, or morality mean nothing to them anymore. The dumcrap party is moraly babkrupt.
The last  dumcrap I voted for was in a local election, I'd known him many years. I called him before the election and asked his opinions on abortion, homos, etc. He assured me that he believed as I did and would vote accordingly. Turns out, a lot of folks talked to him. He of course lied, and voted the way his party wanted. he was beaten badly the last election. John kerrys own church denied him sacrament because of his wide support for killing babies, I was glad to see his church stand up to him. He of course made a large financial contributiion to a church in Michigan and got what he wanted. With their beliefs, or non beliefs, as they are, I'll never vote for another dumcrap. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2006, 11:50:49 PM »
Powderman, show proof of these statements. Then, show how they have been pursued in some sort of legislation. I've heard plenty of politicians say that their private opinions were one way but their public stance the other. Why? Because they understood the difference between representing their districts and representing themselves.

Show how Dems "promote" abortion. Show how they promote homosexuality. Seems to me that these charges are being made but no one is  stepping up to show any proof. Presumably, it is because "we all know this". Well, at one time, we all knew the world was flat as well.

The issue of denying Kerry the Eucharist is interesting. Kerry was NEVER denied Communion. He was threatened with it but it was never followed through. Therefore, the idea that he somehow purchased the right to Communion at another church is ridiculous. He was never excommunicated in the first place, so he did not have to purchase anything. Get the facts before speaking about church issues, please.

Swampman, I have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. If you want to talk Ruby Ridge or Waco, start a thread. I don't view these as Second Amendment incidents.

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« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2006, 11:55:31 PM »
nabob you are so removed from reality on this issue that I'm going to discontinue my dialog.  I urge the rest of you to get out and vote Republican in an effort to save what little we have left.

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« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2006, 11:59:21 PM »
Gee, all I did was ask people to provide proof of what they are saying. Asking for proof is an unreasonable request?

I guess that pretty much illustrates my point.

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« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2006, 12:03:52 AM »
The fact that you have to seek proof beyond CNN, Liberal Public Radio, and the morning paper pretty much illustrates my point.  Are you a NRA member.  Bother to be informed.

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« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2006, 12:26:36 AM »
Short trip, eh Swampman?

So put something up from CNN or your morning paper that shows that Democrats "promote" abortion or wish to disarm the public. Let's also be clear - it isn't good enough to have one or two individual Democrats that wish this, either. The statement was not that some Democrats want this, the statement was made that Democrats in general want this.

If the proof is so readily available, let's see it, Swampman.

"Bother to be informed"? How about "bother not to be manipulated by fearmongering"?

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« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2006, 04:59:30 AM »
nabob. You might consider buying a tv, or a radio, maybe even buying a newspaper once in a while. Look at the voting records. I see little reason to pursue this as you seem to just want to argue, I don't. No matter the personal opinion of a dumcrap, they will vote party line. I truly believe that most dumcraps would vote for osama if he ran on the dumcrap ticket. They promote homos and abortion every time they vote for legislation approving these despicable acts. The dumcrap party is morally bankrupt. POWDERMAN.  :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2006, 05:04:36 AM »
If it is so common, why can't you produce evidence?

I think it is because you've bought into a line of nonsense and now, when forced to actually show proof, cannot.

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« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2006, 07:17:43 AM »
Reauthorize assault weapons ban, close gun show loophole
We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do.
Source: The Democratic Platform for America, p.18 Jul 10, 2004

Strengthen gun control to reduce violence
Democrats passed the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban. We increased federal, state, and local gun crime prosecution by 22 percent since 1992. Now gun crime is down by 35 percent. Now we must do even more. We need mandatory child safety locks. We should require a photo license I.D., a background check, and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun. We support more federal gun prosecutors and giving states and communities another 10,000 prosecutors to fight gun crime.
Source: Democratic National Platform Aug 15, 2000

emphasis added by me. The gun show loophole as they call it would prohibit face to face firearm sales as well. The assault weapons ban as we all know was more about looks than function.

another link for a good read. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060709/17guns.htm
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« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2006, 08:07:09 AM »
I googled democrat abortion and came up with this article

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/21/democrats.abortion/

Choice is a fundamental, constitutional right
Democrats stand behind the right of every woman to choose. We believe it is a constitutional liberty. This year’s Supreme Court ruling show us that eliminating a woman’s right to choose is only one justice away. Our goal is to make abortion more rare, not more dangerous. We support contraceptive research, family planning, comprehensive family life education, and policies that support healthy childbearing.
Source: Democratic National Platform Aug 15, 2000

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« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2006, 09:15:49 AM »
Just found out some recent news. a change in the election process   .....Republicans will vote on Nov 7, Democrats on Nov 8 th. Pass it on to all your Democratic friends....

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« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2006, 10:10:23 AM »
Well, at least folks are actually doing some research.

Regarding abortion: the quote given states "Our goal is to make abortion more rare, not more dangerous." How can one be "promoting" abortion while at the same time, seeking to make it more rare? Sounds to me like the Dems are actually seeking to limit abortion, not promote it. The relevant section of the Online Dictionary, in reference to "promote" says this:

2. To contribute to the progress or growth of; further. See Synonyms at advance.
3. To urge the adoption of; advocate: promote a constitutional amendment.

Sounds to me as if the Dems seek to ensure that abortion remains legal, which it already is, but are not looking to "contribute to the progress or growth of" abortion. THAT'S my point - to say that the Dems are trying to "promote" abortion or homosexuality is wrong. No Democrat is out there trying, as a matter of public policy, to increase abortions or convert people to homosexuality. To believe so means you have been manipulated by the Republican party.

Regarding gun restrictions: Yep, the Dems probably as a group want to see more restrictions. Where, though, is a statement that they want, as a matter of public policy, a disarmed populace? I haven't seen any statement like that yet. So again, it seems like people have bought into the manipulation through fearmongering and scare tactics the Republican party is using to get itself elected.


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« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2006, 03:19:08 PM »
In the spirit of honesty nabob you know that they will never have a statement that says we want to take all of your guns. By making it harder to obtain guns in many methods they are effectivly doing what you just stated. Promoting the suing of gun manufactures for the actions of those who use them illegally even if they dont win causes the price of firearms to rise. That cost is absorbed by the end user.

In this case their actions speak louder than words could ever.

On the issue of abortion: I am coming into this discussion very late. Some points that I agree with have already been made and attempted to be dismissed.

Using your own definition of "To contribute to the progress or growth of; further" I ask you the question of blocking legislation that prohibits late abortions, parental notification and the like would seem that they are doing just that.

In no way can you honestly say that democrats are trying to limit abortion.


If you want to have an honest discussion I will oblige.
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« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2006, 03:53:10 PM »
PILLS. Don't go confusing nabob with facts, common sense, or logic, it aint fair. He just wants to argue. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2006, 06:39:11 PM »
Democrat National Party on Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) issues:

http://www.dnc.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf  "We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal responsibilities, benefits, and protections for these families."

http://www.dnc.org/a/2006/08/new_primary_cal.php  Also, by requiring states to adopt new Inclusion Plans for LGBT Americans, Americans with disabilities and other groups traditionally under-represented, the DNC is promoting full participation in the political process by all Americans.

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« Reply #83 on: October 16, 2006, 11:52:52 PM »
"In the spirit of honesty nabob you know that they will never have a statement that says we want to take all of your guns"

Precisely my point. The conclusion that the Democratic party wants to take all our firearms cannot be supported by any external evidence. It is something that people like powderman were told in an effort to manipulate them into voting a particular way. He cooperated by swallowing the argument hook, line and sinker without there being any real evidence that the argument was true.

"By making it harder to obtain guns in many methods they are effectivly doing what you just stated. Promoting the suing of gun manufactures for the actions of those who use them illegally even if they dont win causes the price of firearms to rise. That cost is absorbed by the end user. "

Making something more expensive is NOT the same as disarming the entire population of firearms. All the anti-pollution regulations that our cars have to meet has made them more expensive as well. Shall we then conclude that the government is out to take all our automobiles away? Making it more difficult for people to obtain guns is NOT the same as disarming the populace. After all, all of us support making it somewhat more difficult for people to obtain guns, don't we? We might disagree on the methodology but no one wants our local thug to be able to obtain a gun, right? So if we support the idea of restricting guns to some people, does that mean that we want to restrict all guns from all people? Nope. The conclusion is not warranted in either case.

"Using your own definition of "To contribute to the progress or growth of; further" I ask you the question of blocking legislation that prohibits late abortions, parental notification and the like would seem that they are doing just that.

In no way can you honestly say that democrats are trying to limit abortion."

"Limiting" abortion was not exactly what the issue was. Powderman said that he believes that the Dems are PROMOTING abortion, making it more attractive and encouraging people to engage in it. There is no evidence that the Dems are doing that. True, they are not sponsoring legislation that directly seeks to limit abortion, but that is not the same as seeking to promote abortion. The difference is important.

If the Dems are blocking legislation that prohibits late abortions, then the practice is presently legal, correct? Abhorrent, but legal. So keeping it legal does not promote the growth of abortion, it merely keeps the status quo. Parental notification laws are in the same boat. What is being attempted here is not to encourage MORE abortions but rather, to keep the status quo. If we have to pass a law that will in effect limit the number of abortions, then opposing that law seeks to maintain the status quo, not encourage more abortions. Would the rate of abortions per thousand live births decline by the actions of Dems blocking this legislation? Not likely, since in both cases it is the status quo that is being maintained. Dems could only  be thought to be encouraging the grown of abortions if they were actually out there trying to convince people to have more of them, which is not what is happening.

Furthermore, it is not true that since the Dems opposed two pieces of legislation that would result in limitations on abortion that they must be in favor of more people having more abortions. It is not logical to assume that if they seek to limit abortion, then they must favor any and all means to accomplish that. That's the fallacy in your argument as well as powderman's. Not all means of accomplishing a given goal are acceptable. That doesn't mean that the goal is not a shared one, it means that there are different ways to reach that goal and the two parties do not share the same path. Assuming that since a different path is taken, the goal must be a different one is a fallacy.

I'm completely opposed to abortion, no exception, but I don't need to make up stuff about the Dems to justify my beliefs.

muskeg13, I'm sorry, but the topic you bring up is not one that is available for full discussion on this board, as determined by the site owner. I have no problems with this policy and seek to ensure I don't run afoul of it, so I think we'll have to stay away from that issue.

powderman: I hope I haven't confused you. You seem so comfortable making up stuff about people you disagree with. I know, it isn't fair that someone actually require you to justify your beliefs. Don't worry - Rush will comfort you by telling you what you want to hear. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

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« Reply #84 on: October 17, 2006, 02:15:05 AM »
Gee fellows, before this political debate turns completely ugly, I would like to provide the following suggestion: We could always turn complete control of our nation over to the illustrious and highly competent folks who have made the EU so successful. This would surely improve our own cheese, wine, and beer industries.

Or how about letting El Presidente Fox have a turn at running the show here. We could finally get even with all those Mexican interlopers by sending millions of our poor people south of the border to obtain work, welfare, health care, and an education. And then our illegal immigrants could have fun waving the American flag in their nation.

Now, what do you folks think about these ideas?  ;D
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« Reply #85 on: October 17, 2006, 03:36:32 AM »
nabob. Common sense, logic, and truth are wasted on you. I'm sure you'll be happy deep in the dnc. I'm through with you. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2006, 04:05:17 AM »
TM7 you are wasting your breath, until the blind and ignorant wake up and see the world as it really is they will never accept the possibility of and for sure not the facts proving what we know and have seen. I think it is the box they live in and can not seem to find the door out of so they can see the truth. But who knows just take a look and you will see these same people mirror the mentality on several other topics as well.

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Re: Conservative Christians..are you more or less likely to vote..
« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2006, 04:51:52 AM »
Gee fellows, before this political debate turns completely ugly, I would like to provide the following suggestion: We could always turn complete control of our nation over to the illustrious and highly competent folks who have made the EU so successful. This would surely improve our own cheese, wine, and beer industries.

Or how about letting El Presidente Fox have a turn at running the show here. We could finally get even with all those Mexican interlopers by sending millions of our poor people south of the border to obtain work, welfare, health care, and an education. And then our illegal immigrants could have fun waving the American flag in their nation.

Now, what do you folks think about these ideas?  ;D


Good grief...there is more truth in your phrasing than you might know. Bush and the neocons, with the CFR, are well on their way to creating the North American Union,,,,,just look at the facts posted in this forum, usually under the heading of immigration threads....its happening...re-read NAFTA, CAFTA, CODEX,TAFTA, the big Texas freezone highway project, etc. and look at recent executive orders. And it is happening while most Americans are somnolently pre-occuppied with terrorism.
And isn't V. Fox somehow an in-law of G.Bush? In any case, he is basically calling the shots on border issues and immigration thusly serving to dilute our culture to a skeleton of what it was. Personally, I think any true patriot should consider these things and much more before getting in lockstep with the Kabuki theater on media TV.

...........TM7  

Apparently you misinterpreted the humorous intent of my post. I'm well aware of what is happening in the turbulent world around me. And I don't obtain my information from the idiot box.

This just confirms the futility of Internet political discussions, which only create hard feelings, and solve absolutely nothing of value in the process.
If at first you don't succeed, by all means try again. But if this doesn't work, give up, because there is no sense in making a darn fool of yourself.

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Re: Conservative Christians..are you more or less likely to vote..
« Reply #88 on: October 17, 2006, 05:22:51 AM »
GreySky my comment was not directed at you personaly rather the crowd in general.

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Re: Conservative Christians..are you more or less likely to vote..
« Reply #89 on: October 17, 2006, 06:51:49 AM »
Back to the original question...."As a conservative Christian, are you more or less likely to vote this time around?"

Definitely will vote!

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