Author Topic: Conservative Christians..are you more or less likely to vote.. (Read 5445 times)

Mac11700 · « **Reply #90 on:** October 17, 2006, 08:14:35 AM »

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The conclusion that the Democratic party wants to take all our firearms cannot be supported by any external evidence.

Uhhhhh...your kidding right

...This is pecisely what the ruling democrats want...Look to any of the meetings discussing this issue and what Bills they have introduced to do just this...Sheeeese

Mac

nabob · « **Reply #91 on:** October 17, 2006, 08:47:00 AM »

"This is pecisely what the ruling democrats want...Look to any of the meetings discussing this issue and what Bills they have introduced to do just this...Sheeeese"

Show proof. C'mon, if it is so obvious, there ought to be at least something to prove your point. Restricting access is NOT the same as seeking to disarm. We restrict access to automobiles but that doesn't mean we want no one to drive one.

And last I looked, the REPUBLICANS were doing the "ruling" in this country, having a majority in both houses of Congress and a President of their party in the White House.

"nabob. Common sense, logic, and truth are wasted on you. I'm sure you'll be happy deep in the dnc."

I don't vote for Dems or Republicans. Unlike you, however, I can show exactly what I've voted against Democrats. Unfortunately, you've apparently decided that actually doing a bit of research to find out about where each party actually stands on the issues is too much effort. It seems you have bought into the scare tactics each party uses to manipulate people. You haven't been able to support your assertions and now, decide that it must be MY failure? Interesting viewpoint.

Anyone who disagrees with you must a Democrat, I take it. Guess your world doesn't include the possibility that there are more choices out there than just two?

fe352v8 · « **Reply #92 on:** October 17, 2006, 09:17:38 AM »

Ruling democrats?

What part of republican majority is confusing you?

Apparently at a personal level some are unable to discern any practical difference between the two major parties and how it affects their daily lives, regarding which is in power.

Life is no joke but funny things happen

jon

Brett · « **Reply #93 on:** October 17, 2006, 11:54:29 AM »

Quote from: fe352v8 on October 17, 2006, 09:17:38 AM

Apparently at a personal level some are unable to discern any practical difference between the two major parties and how it affects their daily lives, regarding which is in power.

jon

As far as I'm concerned there is little practical difference between the two major parties. As far as I can tell the members of both parties are out to line their own pockets at our expense, and most couldn't care less about what we want or what is really best for us. The political hot topics (ie; gun control/2nd amendment rights, right to choose/right to life, etc.) are nothing more than smoke screens to keep our attention off of the fleecing we are getting.

Swampman · « **Reply #94 on:** October 17, 2006, 12:15:36 PM »

It's truely amazing that liberals even post on hunting and shooting web forums.

nabob · « **Reply #95 on:** October 17, 2006, 12:56:27 PM »

Yeah, people just never fit neatly into boxes, do they? That's the problem with making assumptions. Usually, they are wrong.

fe352v8 · « **Reply #96 on:** October 17, 2006, 01:03:07 PM »

Ah, when all else fails demonize, it is easier than thinking, I suppose.

Life is no joke but funny things happen

jon

victorcharlie · « **Reply #97 on:** October 17, 2006, 01:11:49 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on October 17, 2006, 12:15:36 PM

It's truely amazing that liberals even post on hunting and shooting web forums.

Quote from: nabob on October 17, 2006, 08:47:00 AM

Anyone who disagrees with you must a Democrat, I take it. Guess your world doesn't include the possibility that there are more choices out there than just two?

Some people just can't accept the fact that both parties are headed the same place.......

Nabob a liberal? Nawwwww, I do know better than that.........

nabob · « **Reply #98 on:** October 17, 2006, 01:20:11 PM »

My wife, who IS an honest-to-gosh liberal, would be pretty surprised to find out that after all these years, after all our arguments about politics, that her smaller-government-loving, abortion-hating, local-control-is-best, the-republic-is-safest-when-Congress-is-not-in-session husband was deemed liberal by ANYONE!!!

Swampman · « **Reply #99 on:** October 17, 2006, 01:51:17 PM »

Your stance and defense of liberals make us think you are a liberal. A pig is still a pig no matter what color bow you put on it.

WmRoy · « **Reply #100 on:** October 17, 2006, 01:57:19 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on October 17, 2006, 01:51:17 PM

Your stance and defense of liberals make us think you are a liberal. A pig is still a pig no matter what color bow you put on it.

What color is your bowtie...................

Swampman · « **Reply #101 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:02:38 PM »

My point was that just because a person doesn't like being called a liberal doesn't mean they aren't one. Nabob is clearly a liberal democrat.

nabob · « **Reply #102 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:23:15 PM »

Sorry, Swampman, but that sort of mud won't stick.

If you note, I've said several times in this thread that I don't vote for Democrats and that because of two issues, I never will. Please explain how someone who is totally against abortion, without exception, and who does not favor increased restrictions on guns winds up as a liberal? It is a curious definition you have and I think it depends on the fact that you can't answer my posts.

All I've done here is require some pretty precise thinking about the actual stance of the Democratic party. I'm trying to get people to elevate the debate a bit and not rely on demonizing the opposition.

In your case, it seems to have failed. Apparently, in your dichotomized world, any demand that one actually understand WHY they vote for or against a candidate or party must mean that one supports the opposition. The failure here is your own. So, you fall back on the old "must be a liberal" that substitutes for any form of analysis and understanding above the most rudimentary.

Guess I should have expected nothing more, though.

Mannlicher · « **Reply #103 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:42:37 PM »

I have never missed a vote in my life. I won't be missing this one next month.

jimster · « **Reply #104 on:** October 18, 2006, 04:25:49 PM »

I don't see how anyone could attach themselves to either party, our forefathers would have kicked them all out by force long ago for just acting like a bunch of bickering children and spending our money foolishlly.
I don't think because someone votes for some democrats they are liberal, there are some good ones out there, I also don't think because someone votes republicans they are hard core conservatives. There is a such thing as voting for the person, and not the party...I do it myself.
I will say the Dems have a huge bunch of people hanging to them that make them look awful, if they dumped the Hollywood dolts, all the radical left wingers, and the people who bash our president constantly, they win hands down...with just a little bit of an attitude change. The fact they have trouble getting votes while the Reps are at a weak spot, tells me they must be complete idiots. As I said before, either party could win easily if they just do what the majority of people want in our country...close the borders, stop milking us with taxes, stop the foolish spending, ect....
I see no difference in the two partys as far as those area's. I do not trust either party with my gun rights, that is up to us to watch them closely. There does seem to be more Dems who want to take my gun rights, and if you watch close, you'll see most all the States that restrict people's rights to have them, use them, and carry them, are run by Dems. This just happens to be a fact. The governor here in Michigan is a Dem, there is no way she would have sigined the CCW law, a Rep did that before she got in.
I like being independent..I can beat up either party and hold no loyalty to either party.
I still say, the entire Congress acts like bickering kids...a sad deal for all of us, regardless of our political views.
We could do better.

WmRoy · « **Reply #105 on:** October 18, 2006, 05:16:36 PM »

I vote the party.............. always have.............. always will...........

Matt · « **Reply #106 on:** October 18, 2006, 07:47:27 PM »

Quote from: jimster on October 18, 2006, 04:25:49 PM

I don't see how anyone could attach themselves to either party, our forefathers would have kicked them all out by force long ago for just acting like a bunch of bickering children and spending our money foolishlly.
I don't think because someone votes for some democrats they are liberal, there are some good ones out there, I also don't think because someone votes republicans they are hard core conservatives. There is a such thing as voting for the person, and not the party...I do it myself.
I will say the Dems have a huge bunch of people hanging to them that make them look awful, if they dumped the Hollywood dolts, all the radical left wingers, and the people who bash our president constantly, they win hands down...with just a little bit of an attitude change. The fact they have trouble getting votes while the Reps are at a weak spot, tells me they must be complete idiots. As I said before, either party could win easily if they just do what the majority of people want in our country...close the borders, stop milking us with taxes, stop the foolish spending, ect....
I see no difference in the two partys as far as those area's. I do not trust either party with my gun rights, that is up to us to watch them closely. There does seem to be more Dems who want to take my gun rights, and if you watch close, you'll see most all the States that restrict people's rights to have them, use them, and carry them, are run by Dems. This just happens to be a fact. The governor here in Michigan is a Dem, there is no way she would have sigined the CCW law, a Rep did that before she got in.
I like being independent..I can beat up either party and hold no loyalty to either party.
I still say, the entire Congress acts like bickering kids...a sad deal for all of us, regardless of our political views.
We could do better.

Well Said...

Swampman · « **Reply #107 on:** October 19, 2006, 12:30:41 AM »

"I don't think because someone votes for some democrats they are liberal, there are some good ones out there,"

Not any more. George Wallace is dead.

ironglow · « **Reply #108 on:** October 19, 2006, 01:28:39 AM »

Anyway...back to the original question.. TO CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS

...a follow-up..;

..MAKE SURE YOU DO GET OUT THERE AND VOTE..elect those who reflect your view of what America should be....

The major media are publishing all kinds of phony "polls"..just hoping they can get you to give up and stay home !

Staying home would be playing into their hands...

WmRoy · « **Reply #109 on:** October 19, 2006, 03:10:33 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on October 19, 2006, 01:28:39 AM

Anyway...back to the original question.. TO CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS

...a follow-up..;

..MAKE SURE YOU DO GET OUT THERE AND VOTE..elect those who reflect your view of what America should be....

The major media are publishing all kinds of phony "polls"..just hoping they can get you to give up and stay home !

Staying home would be playing into their hands...

Amen.............. and remember if you're planning on voting for a Democrat, this year those votes are cast on Wed........... not Tues....

God Bless!

pills · « **Reply #110 on:** October 27, 2006, 09:36:29 AM »

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2006/7-14/news/national/dnc.cfm

Swampman · « **Reply #111 on:** October 28, 2006, 01:34:55 AM »

Like I always say, as a Christian I can't vote for a Democrat.

powderman · « **Reply #112 on:** October 28, 2006, 04:58:57 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on October 28, 2006, 01:34:55 AM

Like I always say, as a Christian I can't vote for a Democrat.

Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.

williamlayton · « **Reply #113 on:** October 29, 2006, 12:54:30 AM »

Christian + Political opinion = nothing, 0, zip, nada.
God is in control and He will have it His way. The results of political opinion have no affect/effect on His will. He simply told us what was going to happen and we are not going to vote a change---Seems He knows us better than we know ourownselves.
Nabob states his opinion--some I agree with, other things I do not but I do not see him being labed a liberal. I see him as raising questions, asking questions.
If his questions would seem to give you andswers as to his leanings then we are all in trouble--especially those of you who do not ask questions.
Do we have good choices in this upcoming election? No!
There are no statesmen in either party----only folks that will sell their souls for election and ego.
Blessings

Swampman · « **Reply #114 on:** October 29, 2006, 01:19:30 AM »

For the most part the electorate is no better than those they are voting on. One is simply a reflection of the other. Ego, lust, and greed are the three things our "modern" society runs on.

Why do people expect politicans to hold to a higher standard, when they have no standard themselves?

Personally I can't support murdering babies, same sex marriage, or gun control. I must select the lesser of two evils if I vote at all. So many died for my right to vote, I can't really pass up the chance.

ironglow · « **Reply #115 on:** October 29, 2006, 05:09:10 PM »

It sure is interesting to note however...when someone asks for proof that the Dems are pro-gay, pro-baby-holocaust and pro-gun-take-away...

When given the proof..he either simply denies the facts or tries to parse the language... with the same effort and the same

result as Cinderella's ugly sister trying to cram her foot into the glass slipper...LOL

Swampman · « **Reply #116 on:** October 29, 2006, 08:44:32 PM »

"vote for or against a candidate or party must mean that one supports the opposition."

Of course that's what it means. Even if it didn't mean that, it's still the case.

nabob · « **Reply #117 on:** October 30, 2006, 12:00:17 AM »

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It sure is interesting to note however...when someone asks for proof that the Dems are pro-gay, pro-baby-holocaust and pro-gun-take-away...

When given the proof..he either simply denies the facts or tries to parse the language... with the same effort and the same

result as Cinderella's ugly sister trying to cram her foot into the glass slipper...LOL

1) Homosexuality is not something we are to discuss on this site. I think by continually bringing it up, you hope that I'll start defending it and then can get the site owner to come down on me for violating the rules. Nice try, ironglow. It won't be that easy for you.

2) No one has shown that Democrats "promote" abortion. They've shown that Democrats want the law to be followed and abortion not be nibbled away into being a right with no effectiveness. That's a big difference but it is one that apparently you don't quite understand, ironglow. It is not a right I support but I DO defend the law. Somehow, that distinction escapes people driven solely by ideology and not rationality.

3) No one has shown that the Democrats support disarming the population in any way, shape or form.

Declaring victory and heading home, ironglow? Well, I guess that is about par for the course for someone who can't show any actual proof of their contention - declare the fault must be with the other side and call it a day. Pretty typical Republican response, actually.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #118 on:** October 30, 2006, 01:28:11 AM »

No vote is a wasted vote because if a large enough group emerges who vote the same way then the major parties will have to pander to us..........just like they pander to pro-lifers, pro-abortionist, gay groups, minorities, labor unions, and gun control advocats.

powderman · « **Reply #119 on:** October 30, 2006, 03:49:58 AM »

nabob. Right and wrong, moral, and immoral. These things have absolutely nothing to do with what is legal.There are a lot of bad laws on the books. Roe vs wade is a prime example. It should never have been passed, and should be abolished. POWDERMAN.