9-11 - Official Conspiracy

[rk4570]

I am not certain of any Conspiracy Theories, but I have always wondered about these and the aftermath they caused :
  1.  Pres. Lincolins assination
  2.  Pearl Harbor & WWII
  3.  Both Kennedy assinations
  4.  911
  5.  And of course Just Who it is that is running the whole show! I really dont think Bush or any  Pres. is capeable of doing something like 911 alone.

  Thanks, Just my 2 cents worth

[fat tony]

Another thing the theorists latched onto was the 'fact' that the fires caused by the burning jet fuel was not hot enough to 'melt' the steel skeleton of the buildings in NYC. I don't know the impact speed of the 2 planes in NYC, but too me it looked they were going flank speed; (maybe up to 550 miles per hour?) I would imagine that would cause a very high collision impulse. I don't know if this is separate from the mentioned figure that the burning jet fuel from each plane had rough parity with the detonation of 2000 lbs of TNT. Imagine placing a demolition charge of one ton of TNT inside a building and setting it off. Possibly this is separate from the actual collision impulse which I would imagine would be a high figure. As for the steel not melting, structural steel does not have to melt to cause a structure to lose it's strength. I know there are examples of buildings that burned for hours and did not collapse, they also did not get struck with a large airplane going at flank speed and filled with jet fuel. As for the Shanksville crash site, they often mention there was no wreckage found, I don't know either way if that is true or not. I do know that airliners often are largely burned away when they crash and burn in a difficult to access area. One example is the 747 freight plane that crashed at Halifax International Airport several years ago. You could clearly see that the fuselage was largely burned away on the news clips. This is all I am going to say about the whole issue. I don't want to press any further on a spot that is still very raw and sore. Regards to my American cousins, both literally and figuratively.

[superhornet]

After musing through all these factual posts, let me see if I get this correctly stated.  GW gets with Rudy G. and pays off Bin L to hire 20 or so fellows to come to America, train to fly and punch a few holes in the WTC ??  GW's reason is so he can sell off more stock, Rudies reason is so he can tear down the WTC and erect new buildings in beautiful New York.  Bin L makes a tape and says I did it. GW and Rudy G. in the clear.  All Fed, state, local, county law enforcement in on the deal..FBI, NSA, CIA all cover it up.  GW wants to throw everyone off the trail and invades IRAQ. Now WTC not on the front burner.  The $25,000,000 reward put on Bin L just a ruse. Bin L actually had surgery and is now 5 foot tall, living in Paris eating truffles.
Why didn't I figure all this out before.  "It's so easy a cave man could do it"

[Matt]

After musing through all these factual posts, let me see if I get this correctly stated.  GW gets with Rudy G. and pays off Bin L to hire 20 or so fellows to come to America, train to fly and punch a few holes in the WTC ??  GW's reason is so he can sell off more stock, Rudies reason is so he can tear down the WTC and erect new buildings in beautiful New York.  Bin L makes a tape and says I did it. GW and Rudy G. in the clear.  All Fed, state, local, county law enforcement in on the deal..FBI, NSA, CIA all cover it up.  GW wants to throw everyone off the trail and invades IRAQ. Now WTC not on the front burner.  The $25,000,000 reward put on Bin L just a ruse. Bin L actually had surgery and is now 5 foot tall, living in Paris eating truffles.
Why didn't I figure all this out before.  "It's so easy a cave man could do it"

In short NO you don’t have it right.

No one is saying exactly who or exactly why as these are still unknown.

Fact: two planes hit the towers
Fact: the fires were not hot enough to melt steel.
Fact: molten steel remained at ground zero weeks after 9/11
Fact: explosions were recorded by several sources seconds before the planes hit the towers and also hundreds of others were record in the hour and a half that followed up to the collapse.
Fact: nearly all debris was removed and sold to china before it could be inspected
Fact: Rudy G. got a phone call BEFORE the towers fell to pull back because they were going to fall.
Fact: Building 7 was “Pulled” (destroyed by controlled demolitions)
Fact: Not one single picture has been released showing a plane hitting the pentagon.
Fact: the spending of over 2.3 trillion dollars was to be explained by the Army on Sept 12, which all information regarding it was destroyed in the “attack”
Fact: the information on over 100 billion dollars worth of SEC investigations was destroyed.
Fact: cost to remove the asbestos fire proofing was estimated at 1 billion dollars which was to be paid in full by the NY port authority.
Fact:  The turns and actions taken by the plane which is said to have hit the pentagon could not have been executed by a pilot with less than 2 hrs of heavy aircraft flight time.
Fact: of the hundreds of people said to have been killed on the planes only one of the families has asked questions.
Fact: 56% of America thinks that the truth about 9/11 is being covered up.

With just the above known facts one should conclude further investigations are needed to find the truth.

Matt

[billy_56081]

   I just don't beleive that if someone seriously thought this was true. They would have to be crazy to take on a conspiracy of this size.  If they can kill thousands and cover it up I myself would be afraid that my meager existence would be in peril.

[Matt]

If they did that it would create martyrs. I don’t think they want to do that do you? Also though they may want to reduce the overall population I don’t think they want to cut it by 50% right now.

I don’t think I have met one person who after watching the videos did not have a shocked look on their face. Please do not take mine or anyone else’s opinion on the matter. Look at the facts and research it yourself and then make your up your own mind.

Matt

[superhornet]

Matt...because it was printed in the paper, or fostered forward by "Conspiracy Experts" who provide data for everything that has happened on GW watch apparently makes it all true...Please give us your theory on who the perps might be ?? And Why they would do it ??

[Mac11700]

Matt:

There has been video of the plane hitting the pentagon...taken by the security camera on the outside of the building...none from the multitude on the inside though..

Mac

[Mac11700]

Well...that might be because people "don't" want to believe our government is corrupt...and the government controlled media portrays anyone with viewpoints differing from theirs a "conspiracy nut"...and made to look like a nut case...

Mac

[Mac11700]

Thanks...my neck and back & side is healing up...still will take some time to get over everything...On the rings...I let my one gun dealer friend see them..and he told one of the older guys their I had some(went in to order the bases)..and he asked me if I was willing to trade for a newer style set...He swapped me for a brand new set of Leupold QRW's..so..Again..Thanks

Mac

[Skeptic10787]

Where's the outrage? Is outrage dead in America? Some leadership, ehh?

..........TM7

Is outrage dead? Hardly!!
Look at our civil justice system... look at our media... outrage is far from dead. I actually think the media is showing proper restraint by not publishing every conspiracy theory they hear. They do report on the government scandals, and they do report on 911 theories every now and then, but I wouldn't expect them to have daily reports on the latest conspiracy theory alleged in every little internet forum. The idea that the media is government controlled couldn't be farther from the truth. The media loves government scandal and feed off the downfall of political figures. I am not a fan of modern journalism simply because it's rare that they check facts before reporting now-a-days. To call the media "government controlled" just because the responsible journalists prefer fact over theory is the typical American way of thinking. Act now, think later... right? Our media is clogged with government scandal... our civil justice system is clogged with frivolous lawsuits... there is a national mistrust and hated for everyone by everyone... outrage is far from dead... it's destroying our once-proud nation

[ironglow]

  Yep;

   I guess those airplanes that thousands of people observed flying into the WTT and Pentagon were just just balloons...
 
   And that's why we haven't seen them in Macy's Thanksgiving Day parades...

[Matt]

TM7 you know what is really funny. I have shown the videos (911 mysteries, loose change and a few others) to at least 100 people now and though some of them already thought that some things did not add up many believed the official story. All showed the outrage that you speak of but the funny part is those who believed the official story were the most outraged.

To think that ones government and or media would betray them in a way such as this is just too hard for some people to believe. Once they see that they have been betrayed they seem to be very much outraged over it, I know I was.

IG you seem to have your facts mixed up friend. No one has seen the plane that hit the pentagon yet... they will not release any footage that show a plane... just an explosion... and I for one am sure there was 2 planes that hit the towers I just am unsure what 2 planes.

Matt

[superhornet]

Regardless of the disagreements, theorys and seemingly unlove for the government---I take this time to offer to each of you---A very Merry Christmas or any other  adverb, noun or adjective that may represent your feelings for the season.........and I wish some of you would contact O.J. and put that theory to bed...

[superhornet]

And yes, hundreds of firemen and police officers that were there had their own stories, as well as the men and women, both military and civilian at the pentagon, where of course no airplane crashed.  I pray for them all that justice will be done........through a rapid compression of U235 in a couple of overseas areas...

[superhornet]

TM7---As we all go through life there are questions we ask that will never be answered. Walk through life, don't run, stop and smell the flowers, touch a childs life and love your family like it was the last day.  It would seem that as adament you are providing a government cover up, I am of course offering a different opinion.  That is what makes this country so great.   I have been in many countries over the last 68 years where any opinion but the local governments would get you in jail for a little talk.   

[superhornet]

What evidence ??  Your polemic opinion is nothing more than germane to what the subject refers-------
"Conspiracy Therories".   Show me tyranny, and I will be the first to join your Army of Darkness.  Globalist ??
No, just an average Joe, like millions before me,  who spent 50 years in the government service protecting the freedoms you continue to enjoy.  While many of you slept in comfort and serenity ---I and many others stood the watch.  I ask you, if there is a better country  or government you would prefer to live in---please name it    And no, I am not questioning your patriotism, so don't go there....

[Matt]

Further more... and this is for anyone who reads these posts... IF YOU DISAGREE then fine say so and be on your way. DO NOT stick around and call names or try to insult any of us who know what we see and have the mental capacity to understand it and see it for what it is... I will not give another warning... stir up crap in this forum and see your membership go away...

If you do not believe in conspiracy theories then why the hell are you even wasting your time to read them...?

Matt

[superhornet]

TM7-MATT-----forgive me.  I thought this forum was open to debate and did not understand that it was only for a select few whose views should go unchallenged. Again, forgive me..thank you for the discussion and Merry Christmas...   

[Matt]

TM7-MATT-----forgive me.  I thought this forum was open to debate and did not understand that it was only for a select few whose views should go unchallenged. Again, forgive me..thank you for the discussion and Merry Christmas...   

The key word here is debate... it is open for debate but in order to debate a topic you must first be informed on the topic which you do not seem to be. So take my post as you wish but I am sick of people poping in and saying " oh you bunch of idiots" and such...

If you wish to debate the topic then get better informed then come back and we can debate...

Matt

[superhornet]

Matt--------since you are without doubt the World Wide expert on 9/11, I will leave you with the last word. But if I might with your permission.  The secondary effect (dust dot) in your photos ?? Just after the plane hits the tower.   It is a FAE effect.   Not all fuel exploded and burned on contact..some was vapored under high pressure, compressed and seconds later ignited.......I shall post no more on this subject..Thank you... IMHO

[Matt]

Matt--------since you are without doubt the World Wide expert on 9/11, I will leave you with the last word. But if I might with your permission.  The secondary effect (dust dot) in your photos ?? Just after the plane hits the tower.   It is a FAE effect.   Not all fuel exploded and burned on contact..some was vapored under high pressure, compressed and seconds later ignited.......I shall post no more on this subject..Thank you... IMHO

Well if you would watch the videos then you would know that what you purposed is not possible. For the white clouds I refer to NEVER BURNED, it was a white/grey cloud of smoke from the time it started until the end... I have several camera angles of the same shot and never does it burn and therefore could not have been fuel. If you would like I can post them so that you can better understand why I say this.

Matt

[superhornet]

MATT---thank you, but no.  Let us leave it at an impasse...If and when they bring someone to trial over 9/11, the conspirators...I will buy you the biggest steak in Kansas City with all the trimmings...not an offer I lightly make.....good luck to you and yours, may you always walk in the lightness of the Lord..I'm off to Norfolk, Va ----work to do....

[Matt]

hmmm why is it that this sends all kinds of flags up on my end... Anyone else smell something funny here?

International airline to allow cell phone chatter on planes
POSTED: 12:29 p.m. EST, December 21, 2006

By Grace Wong
Special to CNN

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- From cell phone use to high-speed Internet access, the connected life is spreading to the skies.

In January, Emirates airline plans to launch mobile phone usage in its planes, making it the first airline to allow passengers to make cell phone calls on its flights.

And Australian carrier Qantas plans to start evaluating technology that lets fliers use their cell phones and PDAs during flight early next year.

Fliers have long been able to keep in touch with those on the ground by using phones built into the backs of airplane seats. But the costs of those seatback phones can be upwards of $10 a minute, plus a connection fee.

In contrast, the cost of calls made in-flight on Emirates will be in line with international roaming rates, the airline said. Those rates vary by mobile carrier and by location but can be as low as $1 to $2 a minute.

But while some upscale, long-haul airlines are installing equipment onboard that will allow for cell phone use, it may be a while before the service makes its way to the U.S.

U.S. carriers don't allow in-flight cell phone calls, although the FAA is reviewing the safety concerns associated with mobile calls made in the air.

The regulatory agency has asked a committee to conduct a study looking at whether portable electronic devices like cell phones interfere with aircraft navigation systems. Findings of the study are due at the end of December.

Furthermore, airlines in the troubled U.S. industry are struggling to survive and new in-flight services may not attract new customers, analysts say.

"There's no economic incentive for them to do it. Domestically they're not going to bring anyone extra on to their airplane with that service," said airline industry consultant Michael Boyd.

A majority of business travelers (61 percent) oppose the idea of being able to use their phones in the sky, according to a global survey conducted by travel management company Carlson Wagonlit Travel early this year.

But if the technology is there, the service will eventually make its way to the skies, said Chris McGinnis, editor of Expedia Travel Trendwatch.

"Whether people like it or not, in-flight cell phone use is going to become a reality," he said.

Airlines are also exploring less intrusive ways to keep in-step with the increasingly connected lifestyle of their passengers.

According to the annual Airline IT Trends Survey conducted by industry group SITA and Airline Business magazine, 59 percent of airlines plan to offer in-flight Internet access by the end of 2008.

One company helping U.S. carriers make that leap is Louisville, Colorado-based AirCell, which won a license earlier this year to provide exclusive broadband connectivity to U.S. airlines starting in 2008.

Companies have attempted to tap the market for in-flight Internet access before -- the most notable being Boeing, which launched its Connexion high-speed broadband business in 2000.

Several international airlines installed Boeing's system, which cost travelers from $10 to $30 a flight. But in August, Boeing said it was closing Connexion because the market for it hadn't materialized as expected.

AirCell CEO Jack Blumenstein said Connexion's fate doesn't spell doom for the future of onboard Internet access.

For one, Boeing's system was expensive -- it cost about $1 million to outfit a single plane. In contrast, airlines can equip a plane with AirCell's technology for about one-tenth of that cost, Blumenstein said.

Expedia's McGinnis thinks people will take advantage of onboard Internet access as long as it is cheap enough.

"If you can sit there and stream movies and read your email or do research -- it's absolutely something people would use," he said.

Blumenstein said the price of in-flight Internet access offered by AirCell should be comparable to or slightly higher than what users pay to access "hot spots" on the ground.

Accessing a Wi-Fi hot spot at a cafe can run anywhere from $8 for a single day of access to around $30 a month for unlimited access, depending on the service operator.

Now if my memory serves me right... cell phones already work fine on airlines even at 15k ft, just ask all those who got calls from loved ones on those planes on 9/11... yeah right... then why would they need to install hardware for them to work?  cause they dont now... ever tried to use a cell phone on a plane?... I have... it dont work long after take off...

Matt

[Heather]

I understand that the cell phone story is bogus, but havent they had phones in planes for a while or is that just on television.  I am not sure how upscale the planes that crashed into the towers were, but is it POSSIBLE that they were equipped with phones?

Heather

[prairiedog555]

This kind of sophisticated plan on this level with precise timeing could not have been done by any governmental agency.  Let alone to then keep it secret.  I might believe that evil men could do anything, maybe an assasination or misinformation, but this is the gang that couldn't shoot straight.  Do they strike you as brainiacs?
Remember that if the govenment ran crime, it wouldn't pay.

[superhornet]

No, it was a conspiracy. No one has been to the moon..My evidence is ---everyone knows the moon is made out of green cheese..Even though the gravitational pull on the moon is about one sixth, the landing vehicle would have sank into the cheese....IMHO

[Graybeard]

Do you believe a man walked on the moon....?

Nope, didn't happen. It was filmed in a studio here on earth.

[Matt]

Do you believe a man walked on the moon....?

Nope, didn't happen. It was filmed in a studio here on earth.

agreed

[prairiedog555]

TM7,
I don't think most people really believe that the moon landing was a fake, just becase OJ did a movie about it people like to think about that.  Again, a leak would have occurred if a hoax was done on that level.  People can not keep a secret, it burns inside of them, at least they talk when on deathbed or tell kids or girlfriends to impress them, human nature.  I have never heard of anyone giving details on how this was faked.  Just think of all the technitions, guards, bueracrats ect. that would be involved.  Not to mention movie people, we know they can't shup up.
I love conspiracy stuff, but just like the Kennedy Assasination, 911, Bigfoot, UFO's bring me a witness with undeniable proof.  Except for the Oil conspiracy, that is real, but it is done by private enterprise.

and as for the genius and products that came out of the moon landing, it was not the government, it was what we, as a nation, do best, private industry making products for the consumer, to make a profit.,, The American way.
The Govenment dosen't even collect tax's efficiently, look at all the loopholes.  Come to think of it, what does the Gov do that the private sector could not do better?  That should be another forum.