Author Topic: 9-11 - Official Conspiracy (Read 11341 times)

superhornet · « **Reply #60 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:26:38 AM »

I would like to know why some think it did not happen...

Turkey Run · « **Reply #61 on:** January 08, 2007, 05:09:29 PM »

Honestly,you conspiracy nuts have way to much free time ::)Why not put all the time and energy in on something to help somebody in need?

Matt · « **Reply #62 on:** January 08, 2007, 09:59:39 PM »

Quote from: Turkey Run on January 08, 2007, 05:09:29 PM

Honestly,you conspiracy nuts have way to much free time ::)Why not put all the time and energy in on something to help somebody in need?

Well now what is it you think we are trying to do...

By the way for all of you who think we are the conspiracy nuts and think that you are the many... have a look

Turkey Run · « **Reply #63 on:** January 09, 2007, 04:37:52 AM »

You can get a poll to to lean or landslide whatever direction you want it to by polling the people that you already know have the same opinion that you want to express.If you put the exact same poll on Imus in the Morning and The O'Reilly Factor you will get two completly differant results.Put the poll in question to EVERY person in the country and I would be willing to bet the results would be reversed,that is if EVREY person responded,because most people with the "no" opinion would simply think the notion was silly,therefore a waste of time that can never be retrived and not vote at all.Hey,I think I'm wasting time.

Matt · « **Reply #64 on:** January 09, 2007, 10:44:25 PM »

Independent national polls show over 50% believes there is a cover up and 20% believe Bush is involved... Do some research and stop talking out of your ass... Get the facts and then let’s talk... until then it is just ignorant babble you utter...

Matt

prairiedog555 · « **Reply #65 on:** January 10, 2007, 12:42:39 PM »

this will be my last thought on this subject, although I do not believe that 911 was done by US gov personell I am glad that there are people out there that question things, and I have enjoyed hearing everyones thoughts. Every society needs skeptics, keep the bastards on their toes.
The one overrideing conspiricy that I KNOW exists is that the Eastern US establishment, Red and Blue 'crats think that they are smarter than the rest of us and that we should just shut up and let them run things. I will never trust an Ivy leage type politician. Did you see the movie "the good shepard" all the CIA spooks recruited from Yale U. And what choice did we have last Pres election, two guys from Yale.

superhornet · « **Reply #66 on:** January 12, 2007, 02:22:09 AM »

Independent nation polls show that everyone who ate carrots in 1867 is now 100% dead....I guess this proves that carrots are bad for you-----IMHO

Matt · « **Reply #67 on:** January 12, 2007, 02:41:52 AM »

no it just proves your a sarcasic smartass.

superhornet · « **Reply #68 on:** January 12, 2007, 04:29:04 AM »

Matt----I am sorry you feel that way....We will leave it at that as I do not wish to get into name calling as it serves no useful purpose . Conspiracy theories are just that........a figment of "what if" with no proof based in factual investigative elements..Matt, walk through life and enjoy it a little.......it don't last forever you know...

Matt · « **Reply #69 on:** January 12, 2007, 04:37:22 AM »

see this just further proves who is missing out. You seem to think that TM7 and I just make this stuff up. We have proof and evidence you are just to hard headed to look at it cause you think it is made up... Before you rule out a theory you should disprove it first.

Matt

superhornet · « **Reply #70 on:** January 12, 2007, 07:35:55 AM »

MATT-TM7-------with all the proof you have, please take it and provide the data to the nearest attorney general or drive by media...Give your written proof, names,dates, etc..to the New York Times and let them write it up..Give it to Mike Moore and let him make a movie. Give it to Alec Baldwin and let him run with it......Remember though, 1000 people can keep a secret if 999 are dead----AND Boys---if you really want to talk about a REAL conspiracy.....What was Sandy Berger taking from the National Archives

? ???IMHO

prairiedog555 · « **Reply #71 on:** January 12, 2007, 08:32:38 AM »

Ask Sandy to ask Mr. Clinton if he can tell you.
Although from the lack of outrage on the part of the Bushies, I would surmise that it was something mutually embarassing. Wouldn't you think that the attorney general would have pushed for an inditement and stronger punishment if Mr. Bush desired it, or if you or I did same thing.

Smells funny, and I don't mean Ha Ha funny.

Graybeard · « **Reply #72 on:** January 12, 2007, 10:59:35 AM »

Quote from: superhornet on January 12, 2007, 07:35:55 AM

MATT-TM7-------with all the proof you have, please take it and provide the data to the nearest attorney general or drive by media...Give your written proof, names,dates, etc..to the New York Times and let them write it up..Give it to Mike Moore and let him make a movie. Give it to Alec Baldwin and let him run with it......Remember though, 1000 people can keep a secret if 999 are dead----AND Boys---if you really want to talk about a REAL conspiracy.....What was Sandy Berger taking from the National Archives ? ???IMHO

Truth is all those folks already have the facts, they have been presented them. They just don't care just like you don't care. They are either part of the cover up or so jaded and believe so strongly that the folks running our government really do have our best interest at heart they are willing to over look bad things done for a good cause. Or are just plain stupid, take your pick of which applies.

Dee · « **Reply #73 on:** January 13, 2007, 09:27:03 AM »

While I don't have the energy to do as much research, and watch as many video's as Matt, and while I don't very often even agree with him on some matters. I do find it astonishing that some people will buy anything the goverment and news media puts out.
After 911 and such things as the invasion of Iraq, the Patriot Act and several other things, I began to realize that I wasn't as paranoid as I believed some people thought I was.
Example; 19 terrorist, all trained (if memory serves me correct) in Afganistan, funded by Saudi Arabia, most of them Saudies, none of them Iraqies. Solution? Invade Iraq?
Example; The Patriot Act. I go to the bank to by a new Peterbilt, and have to sign a form labeled Patriot Act, which acknowleges the fact that the goverment is making damm sure I am spending the money on a new Peterbilt. Never mind, that I am an American, and never mind, that I have always been an American, and never mind that I borrowed the money from the same bank, on three other occasions to buy three other Peterbilts, and paid the IRS on the profit from them. What the hell did the Patriot Act accomplish here?
Now it made sense to invade Afganistan, that's where the terrorist were trained. It made sense to invade Saudi Arabia, that's who paid for the training. Wait a minute! We didn't invade Saudi Arabia, did we? Hmmmm
The Patriot Act. Wasn't it already against the law to fund terrorism? Wasn't it already against the law to hi-jack planes and fly them into anything? Including another country, much less a building.
And didn't it use to be against the law to invade an American citizen's pesonal and and business life. Didn't you use to have to have a search warrant to go into someones house, and sieze property? And didn't you have to provide them with a copy of the search warrant, and didn't you have to tell them that you searched their home, in the cases where they weren't at home when it was searched? As a 20 year veteran Police Officer (retired) , yes, I believe you did. Not anymore.
I watched U.S. Representative Ron Paul speak yesterday about the Iraq war. He's a Republican so you Republicans relax, and no I am not a Democrat either. I'm a fed up American. He provided the statistic that in the first 45 months of the Iraq war we have had more soldiers killed, than in the first 45 months of the Viet Nam war. Another stat is that over 70% of America no longer agrees with the Iraq war, and that it was started under false pretenses. That I believe I got off of Fox news, the fair and balance one they say. Bagdad is in civil war, the Congress wants out, and GW says hell no, we're staying. What I wonder is how we got to a place where ONE MAN can decide on a country (dictatorships excluded) going to war without congressional approval i.e. a vote. Now some of you guy are going to say I don't support the troops. Don't even go there. I have a Son who is a Sgt. in the 82nd whom has been to Afganistan, & Iraq, and after being back stateside less than 2 weeks is now Back in Iraq, and you can bet your ass I support him and every other mother's son who is there now. I just don't think I am as stupid as Uncle Sam thinks I am. As for Matt's idea. I haven't a clue. I just know that since 911, we all have fewer rights than we did before 911, and the Constitution and Bill of Rights is a joke in Washington D.C., and that our sons and daughters are pawns on a political chess board, and its getting them killed. Like the words say in a song that Merle Haggard sings. Politicians do all the talking, and the soldiers pay the dues.JM2CW

Matt · « **Reply #74 on:** January 14, 2007, 07:16:48 PM »

Well now they are openly stating that they are looking at bank records... not long now... the true meaning of Shock & Awe...

Matt

Dee · « **Reply #75 on:** January 15, 2007, 04:58:52 PM »

Although I am not happy with the Patriot Act intrusion, let us not forget that the IRS is notified if you move $10,000.00 in you account (your money) and this has been going on prior 911. It "began" quite some time back. People just haven't been paying attention.

Matt · « **Reply #76 on:** January 15, 2007, 09:43:33 PM »

yeah being in business for 12 years or so now I have seen this many times

Matt

superhornet · « **Reply #77 on:** January 17, 2007, 01:50:08 AM »

Mr. Graybeard---you have done a superb service with this website and I enjoy it very much. Having said that, I do care what happens in this country, I am not jaded nor stupid. Because we may differ in our approach or belief in certain elements does not mean we cannot be civil or respectful toward one another. It after all is only a difference of opinion..........I guess the other two guys that are adament about Conspiracy could not carry their "own water" and had to call in the "Big Gun". IMHO

superhornet · « **Reply #78 on:** January 17, 2007, 04:35:54 AM »

Good day to you TM7--MATT-----I also would like the time to further investigate this subject, but alas, do not have the time to do so..I will leave it up to you, but will not post, as to disspell the sarcasm you think I projected, but will follow your line of reasoning. It has been a pleasure to converse with you...

Dee · « **Reply #79 on:** January 17, 2007, 08:12:22 AM »

TM7, although I have not done an intense study of the event. Mr. Roosevelt knew perfectly well that Japan was going to attack the United States. They in some ways were forced into it, when we cut off their oil while they were at war. I have read somewhere that he knew about the plans to attack Pearl Harbor 2 or 3 months in advance. Now why would he let this happen?

For the simple reason, that America had just came out of WW I and wanted no part of forigen war. We as a people had became ISOLATIONISTS. The attack had to come to get the American people on the side of war. Ninty percent of the American people today do not know this and the other 10% wouldn't believe it.

Could history have repeated itself, with the same results, but for different reasons?

Matt · « **Reply #80 on:** January 17, 2007, 12:19:15 PM »

Dee, you bring up want I can only call an eye opening point. But as you also said most people do not know or want to see it. It is my belief that we are seeing history repeat but even worse than before. I feel that our government had both hands in the 9/11 attacks completely.

I use the laws of averages to help me come to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job. I will explain what I mean. Having visited all but 2 states and most every big city in the US I have noticed that on average 1 out of 10 people seem to be of a larger build. By this I do not mean overweight rather muscular. So keeping this in mind we are not a weak society. If you have 4 men armed only with box cutters and butter knifes and 100 or more average Americans in that 100 there will be at least 20 that will be willing to fight the 4, of them 10 will be of a larger build and 5 would probably be willing to fight all 4 by themselves. So to try and make me believe that 4 men armed with box cutters could possibly over take 100 or more average Americans will be a hard task. This would insinuate that Americans are inferior to Arabs and I for one do not think so. And for 4 Arabs to dominate over 100 Americans they would have to be far superior to us all around which I think we all know is not the case.

Lets also not forget that this style of a hijacking had not occurred and let us also not forget how many hijackings in which guns were used that have been foiled by the passengers and in some cases only one or two passengers.

What people do not seem to grasp or understand is that if only one fact or one piece of evidence is found that contradicts the official explanation then this alone demands further investigations. After all this was “The Worst Terror Attack on US Soil”. Once you start looking into this you will find that you have been fooled by the media and government and will be shocked at all they have kept from us or overlooked in a manner as to infer the information is unimportant or meaningless. People really need to wake up and take our country back by putting into office people looking to serve their country and not get rich off of the population.

Will it ever happen? Probably not…

Matt

Dee · « **Reply #81 on:** January 17, 2007, 01:26:09 PM »

Well Matt, I won't say what your are suggesting is impossible. I will state what I have observed over the last 30 years. 20 of those years as a Police Officer. I ran a swat team for 5 years which I organized and trained, and a tactical K-9 unit which I also organized and trained both dogs and officers, plus ran a complete shift of officers as a Sgt during most of that time. What am I saying? I delt with a wide range of people in stressful situations. We as a nation have involved into a society of watchers. There are still those few who step up in times of a disaster, but the majority of the population let someone else do it.
Example; What is the response when one has a prowler? Call 911.
What is the response when one is assaulted? Call 911.
And so on. I used to answer calls and the people would be astounded that a burglar would break into their house when they were there and rob them. If you suggested they arm themselves, they were agast, that you would suggest such a thing. People cannot grasp the idea of taking care of themselves in a crisis. You can explain to them that most of the time, when an assault, robbery, rape, ect., occurs the police are blocks or miles away, and valuabel minutes away. It never occured to them to handle the situation themselves, or even equip themselves to do so should such an event occur. Many folks talk about getting a gun for the house, but once they see the expense, and responsiblilty of learning to do something they really have no interest in, it usually never happens.
Another example of the culture change in this country goes back to the last depression in 1929. Yea, folks went hungry in the cities and times were hard but, most people back then were from an agricultural back ground and knew how to take care of themselves, i.e. common sense. Can you imagine what this present culture would do in such an event. Most can't even check their own oil in their auto, much less raise a small garden.
In the last 12 years I have been in all of the lower 48 states and have met a wide range of people. Up until 6 months ago I went to Chicago twice a week for the last 6 years. I got to know the people in that office pretty well, and learned about their knowledge of getting by, and they mine. None of the 7 men in that office had ever fired a weapon of any kind. Only one or two had every held one in their hand. I asked them what they would do in an emergency. Call 911 unanimosly. Beside the above mentioned skill I held they were fasinated that other departments in the past had called me as a tracker, on manhunts, that I could hunt, kill, and process game. They thought it was TV stuff. They had never smelled horse poop, butchered a calf, hog. or deer, and many were disgusted that I could do such a thing.
So with these examples of our present society in mind. Do I believe 4 rag heads with box cutters and an agressive attitude could hold off a plane load of businessmen form New York for 20 or 30 minutes. Hell yes I do. They were standing around waiting on someone else to do something. They just waited to long, and I am not sure, they knew the terrorists intentions other than taking control of the plane.
As for what you would have done, only you can answer. As for me? I would have done, what I have done in the past and most of my life. I would have tried their butts out. I (as an officer) have experienced the knife, club, and gun thing, and responded immediately. Most won't. They had rather talk, and hope that somone else will do something. JMOE.

Matt · « **Reply #82 on:** January 17, 2007, 03:38:30 PM »

Dee only thing you should look at the so called passenger manifest... There were several military and other federal agencies represented in the passengers. So no I do not think that they would have stood by and let it happen. JMHO

Matt

Dee · « **Reply #83 on:** January 17, 2007, 04:08:14 PM »

Well, on that issue, I must concede as I have no info on passenger manifest. However, I believe in most cases my argument is valid, although know one knows except the ones on board, and they aren't saying.

Matt · « **Reply #84 on:** January 17, 2007, 11:27:42 PM »

http://911review.org/Sept11Wiki/PassengerList.shtml

give this site a look

Dee · « **Reply #85 on:** January 18, 2007, 02:45:58 AM »

Matt, I haven't had time to look at all the passenger manifests however, Flight 11 manifest listed a range of passengers, ranging from business execets, to retired balarina, to actresses, mothers, fathers, to clergy, to flight attendants and pilots. I saw no evidence of one single warrior on board, with the exception of the terrorists. I will look at the other flight manifests when I can but, Flight 11 supports my experiences observing todays society from a police officer's point of view (retired), and a civilian enter-acting with todays mindset in people.
TV shows people doing heroic things, during times of stress, but they never show the mulitude standing just out of camera range WATCHING.
This is a very material world we live in today, and until this entire country has been brought to its knees, either by natural disaster, or terrorist attack, or economic disaster, people will continue to sink into apathy, and the Let Someone Else Handle It Attitude. If you will think about many of these professions on board Flight 11, they were either accustomed to being served, and cattered to, or were service oriented toward others. No warriors.
And once again most hi-jackings end in landing somewhere and negoations, and release of everyone. Perhaps that's what they were thinking.
Once again also, my opinion.

Dee · « **Reply #86 on:** January 18, 2007, 06:37:36 AM »

Be advised, I am not defending the goverment. I am just making an observation of the epidemic proportions of apathy that plague the American people. Many people 35 and younger don't even vote. I believe that 4 arabs with box cutters could take over an airplane full of businessmen and women. I don't believe 4 arabs with box cutters could take over a cowboy bar in North Central Texas. If the men didn't get'em, the women would.
I also believe the goverment is capable of anything, to further their own cause which may or may not be to the American people's best interest.

Matt · « **Reply #87 on:** January 18, 2007, 08:14:07 AM »

Quote from: Dee on January 18, 2007, 06:37:36 AM

I also believe the goverment is capable of anything, to further their own cause which may or may not be to the American people's best interest.

Well that is the first step... Now if we can just get you some time freed up to watch a few hour long videos I think that you would see a different view on the matter.

Matt

Dee · « **Reply #88 on:** January 18, 2007, 12:15:01 PM »

No I haven't seen it. What I think you guys are trying to do is convert someone whom has been un-trusting of the goverment for many years. I am not saying your theories are wrong, and I am not saying that the goverment did not let it happen, or make it happen. I am saying I don't know, and it could have happened any number of ways.
It's like gun control. It WILL eventually happen on a larger more strict scale. I.E. all out gun confiscation. Most will comply, a few will have the nerve to bury or hide their guns. Some will do neither.
My mind on that issue has been made up for many years. I am not a youngster. To put it the way I have explained to others in my Texas mind set is this; If they ride up on my porch and I let'em take my guns, they also took my ability to strongly disagree, and they'll be back on my porch again, wantin somethin else.
I am not saying that either of you are fruit cakes for you ideas, on this issue. I am saying that any or all of it is probably out of our control, and preparation for furture events seems more valuable, although at times the discussion is interesting, and could have some value. I think we all know that any ligitimate investigation of goverment wrong doing is not going to happen. JMHO

Dee · « **Reply #89 on:** January 18, 2007, 01:51:42 PM »

Roosevelt was a hypocrit then.