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Offline John R.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2006, 08:04:57 AM »
The 45 would be my choice hands down, especially since you mentioned bears. Big bullets make big holes,and big holes work better than little holes. ;)

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2006, 10:00:19 AM »
I would choose the .45 colt if it were me, actually, that is what I chose, I got my wife a .357 gp100 thinking that she might like it for hunting, but she thinks it kicks too much.  I asked her if it hurt her hands, and she says no, it kicks too much.  I'm thinking it is the muzzle blast that is doing it.  That is why I like my .45 , is that it is more of a boom sound, rather than a sharp crack of the .357.  I realize that when practicing, it is a somewhat moot point since you wear muffs, but when hunting, it will ring your ears like something else.  I think that is a major reason that I have hearing loss in my left ear is because of shooting a .357 just a handful of times in the past without muffs, pretty bad considering my age.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2006, 04:43:18 PM »
I chose a BN-36X Blackhawk Convertible in .357Mag/38Spc/9mm. In addition, the 6.5" barrel gives it enough mass to soak recoil up... .38 Special +P flips the muzzel about 1.25"... It's like having 3 pistols in one... and cheap to feed.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2006, 05:58:17 PM »
Pard, Put it this way, if you're used to the felt recoil of a .357, then you may want to move up to a truly powerful, very versatile caliber - 45 LC. It's doesn't slam like the 44 Mag. yet it's a great and enjoyable round. Try the 5.5 in. Blackhawk! Hiker ;D

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2006, 08:19:37 PM »
There's a lot of info and good advice, & suggestions in all these posts.

I've had one Blackhawk since '73, the O/M .30 Carbine.  Have shot maybe 10,000 reloads thru it.
12, or 12.5 gr H110/H4227 and 110's.  I can hit a barrel at 300 yds all day and it'll go thru one side. Have raised hell with running coyotes a bunch of times and hit a few.  Killed a couple standing deer not too far away, finished up a few elk, blows the heads up enough to ruin the horns.
But, the most impressive killing shot I've made with it was on a 1200# steer we were butchering. Slug was buried in the back half the Atlas joint, 11" penetration.  The impression I carry from that shot was his feet hitting his belly before he went down like a hunk of lead. Then we cut his head nearly off and he never bled over half a gallon.  By the time he was quartered there couldn't have been a whole gallon total. Stopped his heart too.  Until the last few yrs I've never figured that I needed, or had any use for a big gun because I felt that was plenty big enough.

But, this summer I finally could afford to buy my next one. Another Blackhawk of course. This was the combo .45's, couldn't get this convertible in the long barrel I like. Longest I could get was 5 1/2".  I'm in the market/hunt for a 7 1/2 or 8" and would trade anyone even up for one.  This has not over 250 hard cast loads thru it so far and not any jackets.

I've shot a bunch of .44's, some were ok, but, a couple were over loaded and I thought massive recoil even with the 10" and scoped.  We had 26 of us in a match, targets up to 75yds. I've never figured I was more than half assed with this thing til that day and I won the match, every single target.  I'm baffled about that as some of them were what I felt fine pistolsmiths.  One 44 mag guy couldn't keep them on the 4ft sq target frame.  When it was all over with and the papers passed out he asked if I'd shoot his gun to see what was wrong with it's accuracy.  "Why sure, but, I don't know guns that well."  Put five shots into 4" with it and gave it back with about ten guys standing around.  "One thing for sure, it ain't the gun's problem".  His load was 26gr H110/250grFMJ's.  My books said that was over loaded. The recoil was nasty to me. But, I haven't shot the big one's much.

Had an old retired sheriff from Idaho tell me:  "IF you can't do it with a .45 Colt in a new model Ruger, you'd better take a rifle".

Since getting this gun a few months ago. I've seen why he says that.  I started with 24gr H110/250cast SWC's.  That's too much for me. But, I've got big hands, a disabled middle finger from cut tendons so I can't grip it with that finger, shoot one handed, and the knuckle is whacked hard at every shot.  I've down loaded it til settling on 19gr H110 with 250gr SWC's.  Seems to be plenty of power, more than enough recoil, accurate, don't lead any in the bore. But, it still whacks my knuckle.

Am badly in need of a set of grips that will fit my big hands, and long enough to get all my fingers on. The stock grips are too short for me.  That trigger guard gap needs to be filled up I think, too.  IF it was, maybe that would protect my knuckle.

Will the Bisley grips fit the blackhawk frames??  OR does the grip frame have to be changed?  Remember, I'm new to the bigger calibers, but, had a lot of experience with the .30 carbine.

That holster shown above is a nice looking set up. But, I much prefer more cover for the hammer and rear sight.  I see you've got the hammer strap, that's great, wouldn't want one without.

Wallered thru heavy oak brush after a buck I shot once, drug it down the hill thru kthe stuff, dressed it out, loaded in the trunk, drove a mile and thru a gate. While closing the gate happened to look down and the hammer was at full cock.  That scared the sh-t out of me!  Soon as I could, the leathersmith reworked it to strap the hammer down instead of the trigger guard.

Thank you gentlemen, I do admire the guns and rigs you've posted pictures of. Some real beauties here.  Would appreciate any advice you fellows could provide. You may send direct to: georgeld@hotmail.com if you'd like.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2006, 01:01:42 AM »
if your not going to handload the .44 mag is the hands down winner. YOu can shoot specials in it for plinking and mag ammo for hunting. Sure the .45 has factory heavies available but there pricey!! Most .45 colt ammo is great for plinking but marginal if you want to hunt and to be honest most of the factory stuff ive shot hasnt been that accurate. Im a real .45 fan but will be the first to admit i like .44s too and a 44 mag will do anything a .45 colt will do.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2006, 02:01:49 PM »
I know this might upset some of the .45 folks, but if you don't like the recoil of the .44 mag, you won't like the recoil of the .45 either. You won't be able to tell the difference.

I would disagree with this. I have found the 45 in non-full house loads to be very easy to handle...very easy. Now, shooting full house loads in 45 some may agree with you, but still...I find the 45 to do more with less stress on the gun and less stress on me...but I am not recoil sensitive in handguns (some riffles do bother me though). The only handgun I was sensitive to was one with a heavy load 44 mag with rubber grip that twisted my skin like a tennis shoe without socks. It wasn't the impact, but the twisting on my skin that was annoying. A wood or marcata grip would have likely solved that.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2006, 02:04:24 PM »
Unless you're shooting CAS, I can't see any practical advantage the .45 has over the .44 mag.  Any .44 Mag will shoot .44 spl which should be comparable in recoil to the .45.

The 45 in its standard form is like a 44 special perhaps. On that we agree. However, the full house 45 loads will do what the 44 will do and do it with less pressure and it will also cut a bigger hole. 44 mag at 0.429" and 45 colt at 0.452"-0.454"

All this being said...I have to agree with those that posted earlier that if you are not going to reload, you may want the 44 mag for its factory ammo versatility. The 45 colt is probably more versatile overall...but only if you reload.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2007, 01:53:24 PM »
.44 mag guys are gonna push the .44;

.45 guys are gonna push the .45;

and the best choice of all . . . the .41 mag.  ;D

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2007, 12:18:19 AM »
at what. The .44s and 45s can be loaded up or down to 41 mag power levels and both can be loaded to leave the .41 in the dust. Ill raise the hackles on all the .41 fans necks as ive got a few of them but they never showed me much. If im going hunting and have to put up with the noise and recoil of a mag why not shoot a 44 or 45 sized bullet instead of a 41. NOw dont get me wrong. Ive have used and still use 41 mags for hunting. There not a bad gun. Nice to have a couple in the safe for when you get a bug but not  to me anyway the ideal gun for a one gun man. Especially someone who doesnt reload. Not every store in the country carrys ammo for them. Load selection (like the .45) is limited and it does absolutely nothing that the .44 mag doesnt do better. Now i will hear the trajectory argument and I shoot alot of long range handguns and the difference in the two will never be missed in the field. I hear the recoil arguments and loaded simularly say a 250 at 1200 there is no difference. Only difference i see is the 44 is putting a bigger hole through the target. Ammo is cheaper. More loads are available, Special ammo can be used in it. Ammo is cheaper and can be fournd about anywhere. Reloading components are easier to find, Theres 20 times more bullet casting molds available for the .44. USed .44s are easier to find and usually go a little cheaper. NOw thats my take on the subject. ;)
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2007, 02:16:31 AM »
What was it Skeeter used to say? "Its a case of a good Big man beating hell out of a good Little man."

No the 41 isnt a 44 or a 45, but as an aside to what Lloyd says I prefer the 45. You CAN get light cowboy loads as well as heavy loads for it. It generates less pressure than the 44 and to me is less violent to shoot. If your  45 happens to be a custom 5 shooter you can shoot an even heavier load where with a 44 single action you have to have a long cylinder gun made to shoot the 330's and such.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2007, 08:35:12 PM »
As noted  earlier in this thread- if you get a 44 MAG you can also shoot 44 Specials---Another consideration is a 44 MAG Magna-Ported.
Check out the Magna-Port web site for more infol. There is a big differance between a  ported Mag and an un ported Mag.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2007, 11:02:54 PM »
There is a big differance between a  ported Mag and an un ported Mag.

Mostly the volume.