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Offline olgrizz

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357mag or 45 LC
« on: October 16, 2006, 06:05:44 AM »
 Wife is buying me a Ruger to pack when we are in the hills riding horseback. Don't really like the recoil of the 44mag for shooting targets, decided to look at a 357 or 45. Which would you buy for just fun shooting and cat, bears and wolfs  ::) Thanks Olgrizz

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2006, 06:38:25 AM »
45 LC. If ya reload, this is one of those sleeper loads. Recoil isn't all that bad. I've found the recoil on some 357 to be quite sharp,but ya still have the option of shooting 38spl out of it. Heck, buy yourself on of those double rigs and get one of each. Or let her buy you one of them ...then you buy HER the other !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2006, 08:39:50 AM »
Don't forget low recoiling .44 special out of the magnum for plinking or even self defense.
Can't beat the price or recoil of low cost .38 ammo for plinking out of the .357.
If bears are really a concern I would opt for the .44 mag, especially if you don't reload.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2006, 10:40:59 AM »
My vote is for the 45 Colt and if you don't reload get started.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2006, 03:02:07 PM »
.45 colt.  For what you are describing, it sounds as if a .45 is tailor made for you.  The ruger allows you to shoot heat when needed, and the standard pressure loads are easy on the hands and the wallet.

As was said, if you don't reload, start.  The .45 is a handloader's dream for versatility.  From tin cans to bears, it's got something for you.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2006, 04:47:24 PM »
You guys are singin my song, for sure...........handloading the .45 Colt from mild to wild, what versatility! JD45

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2006, 03:19:47 AM »


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Like the old saying " Try It you will like it " The 45 Colt is the most fun thing going as far as Pistol shooting goes.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2006, 03:46:09 AM »
 thanks for all the info, I think I will go with the 45. 2nd Question What model would you pick. I had a blackhawk years ago but now there are more models. I have been looking at a  bisley but don't know that much about the ruger anymore Please help ???

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2006, 07:25:04 AM »
For versitility the Accusport SS 5 1/2" 45colt with the 45acp spare cyclinder maybe the best all round hunting, plinking, packing revolver ever sold for the money! I really prefer blued/case hardened finishes but the Stainless is the easiest to maintain, especially for hard hunting/packing needs. Get the cyclinder throats opened to .4525, get a action/trigger job, and shoot the hell out of it. You can pick these up for about $500 and they need maybe another $100 of smithing to make them right. Once that is done you are ready for mouse to moose, 160gr to 360gr loads are easily handloaded and light 200gr cowboy loads are readily available if you don't handload to plink with. And of course 45acp ammo is mild, readily available, and cheap to shoot. If you want something with a little more power Buffalo Bore and others are loading up to and including a 335gr LFNGC LBT style bullet at 1350fps that are suitable for elk, moose, and even grizzly in a pinch. The recoil is stiff with these loads but the Bisley grip will make controlling them as pleasant as possible, far better than a Blackhawk grip will.

For what you describe I also suggest sticking with adjustible sights and don't be tempted by the Vaqureo's fixed sights. The Vaquero is a great gun, it will be my packing gun once I finish regulating it, but it must be regulated to a single load forever as the sights are fixed on it. And if this is a gun that may go everywhere and do everything for you then the loads might be a little stiff for plinking if you intend to hunt with it. Although the standard 255gr lead bullet at 850 is pretty mild and still capable of good work on lighter game like deer.

Get a good leather holster, don't skimp here if you are going to be carrying this a fair bit especially on horses as they tend to be hard on everything, holsters included. I really like the Milt Sparks Keith style holster (AW200 I think) a little spendy at about $125.00 and a 5 month wait but worth every penny and will last the rest of your life (get a closed end holster so you don't sit down in snow or mud and fill the barrel with gunk). My personnal 5 1/2" Ruger rides in a flap style holster from McMurrey leather in Texas and I also highly tout that one as well. Neither will ever let a gun fall out although not having a strap on the Milt Sparks freaks out some people they never let a gun fall and are quicker to get a gun out of when needed.

Anyways for versitility the Ruger's in full sized frames are simply the best, most versitle gun, for the dollar you can buy.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2006, 11:17:59 AM »
BISLEY!!!  I've shot both the standard Blackhawk grip and the Bisley grip.  The Bisley grip is slimmer and longer and fits MY hand better.  I also feel that it allows for better recoil control when shooting the heavy loads.  I could never get used to the short, fat blackhawk grip.  My pinky finger ends up half off the bottom of the grip and it's just not comfortable.

The stock Bisley is capable of outstanding accuracy.  For a sandbagged rest, I can chew the X out of a target at 50 yards and scare the h**l out of a gallon jug at 200.  On my part, more practice is required to achieve this sort of accuracy from field positions, but the guns is better than I am.  That said, if I had my choice, I'd opt for a 5 1/2" barrel instead of the 7 1/2" tube that is the ONLY factory option.  I think that it would make a better carry package without seriously affecting shootablility.

I'm not too up on leather, I just drop mine in a fairly inexpensive leather pouch type holster with a snap-strap and off I go.  I did wet fit the holster to the gun and don't show any holster wear to date.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 03:58:04 PM »
I agree with the two posts above.  The Bisley is the way to go.  If you can find one of the Acusport special runs grab it.  If not it would only be available in a 7 1/2" as a regular catalog item.  If you haven't seen one here is an Acusport Bisley it is in the middle of a Hunter model and a Bisley Vaquero:



As for leather I like the simple holster that Galco make for Ruger.


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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2006, 10:20:50 AM »
I'd say the 45LC New Model if you are gonna shoot any bears.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2006, 06:38:08 PM »
Wife is buying me a Ruger to pack when we are in the hills riding horseback. Don't really like the recoil of the 44mag for shooting targets, decided to look at a 357 or 45. Which would you buy for just fun shooting and cat, bears and wolfs  ::) Thanks Olgrizz

If you prefer single actions, the New Vaquero in .45 Colt is an absolute pleasure -- you can't firewall it with "Ruger Only" loads, but a 250/270 Keith at 1,000 fps should be plenty and the recoil is significantly less than the .44 Magl.  You need to pick a load, and match the front sight for that load.  Fun load with Trail Boss shown in following picture:



If double action is your pleasure, the S&W 25/625 mountain gun is also a treat to carry/shoot.

I have both.  Shoot them alot.  Can't believe how much fun that Ruger New Vaquero is -- the S&W 625 is just as much fun in a different sort of way.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2006, 12:09:45 AM »
Cammel whats that sewer pipe looking thing on top of that nice gun for ;D
I agree with the two posts above.  The Bisley is the way to go.  If you can find one of the Acusport special runs grab it.  If not it would only be available in a 7 1/2" as a regular catalog item.  If you haven't seen one here is an Acusport Bisley it is in the middle of a Hunter model and a Bisley Vaquero:



As for leather I like the simple holster that Galco make for Ruger.


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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2006, 12:46:55 AM »
That's for doing this:

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2006, 01:08:42 AM »
.45 Colt, I prefer the traditional grip.  Don't waste your money on the convertable.


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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2006, 06:57:31 AM »
kind of figured youd bring out that picture. That aint nothing I can shoot groups like that too. All i have to do is clamp my guns in a vise and put a target 5 inches in front of them ;D That is a pretty amazing sixgun you have there pal. Even though you need a sewerpipe on it to shoot it. I figure in a couple more years youll grow out of it. Id threaten to give you some lessons with an open sighted gun but youd just come and make me look bad anyway.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2006, 08:53:06 AM »
Gradual progression Lloyd,  first was a riffle, then a Contender, then the revolver with a sewer pipe, now working on open sights.  I'm taking it slow.  Probably too slow, by the time I get the open sights mastered I'll need the sewer pipe again.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2006, 10:58:45 AM »
Al and i were having just that conversation this morning. What to do when our eyes finally fail to the point that we cant use open sights. I told him id probably just go to a scoped lever gun. If i had to carry all that extra weight and bulk i might as well go all the way.
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2006, 08:38:30 PM »
Ditto on the 45LC.  ;D
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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2006, 09:49:41 PM »
Of course .45 colt!  As to the fixed sights of the Vaquero, my 'new' Vaquero shoots 270 gr cast bullets over 20 gr of 4227 right level with the sights.  That load is a top end load for 'non' Rugers so very safe in one and does about 1000 fps.  That's probably all you would ever need in a .45 other than for the large bears and then I'd want a .454 for that job!  It's probably the only load this gun will ever know. 

Lloyd, I can no longer shoot those tiny little groups with open sights as I once did although I am still carrying a belt gun when ever possible.  My hunting chores have passed on to scoped handguns.  Two years ago I found an old Marlin in .35 rem and had it cut to 18" and a big, open AO receiver sight put on the rear and a Williams 'fire sight' put on the front.  Topped it off with a longer eye relief 1.5 X 4.5 on quick detatch mounts. 

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2006, 08:34:32 PM »
You guys are singin my song, for sure...........handloading the .45 Colt from mild to wild, what versatility! JD45
.45 colt. For what you are describing, it sounds as if a .45 is tailor made for you. The ruger allows you to shoot heat when needed, and the standard pressure loads are easy on the hands and the wallet.

As was said, if you don't reload, start. The .45 is a handloader's dream for versatility. From tin cans to bears, it's got something for you.
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2006, 12:27:49 AM »
If you go over to a rifle, consider the NEF Handi.  It now comes in .45 Colt I believe.  These little guns are a lot of fun and cheap too.

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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2006, 04:25:06 PM »
If you go over to a rifle, consider the NEF Handi.  It now comes in .45 Colt I believe.  These little guns are a lot of fun and cheap too.
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2006, 04:46:38 AM »
For what it's worth, nothing compares to the 45 LC. As stated many times, it is a dream to reload and a pleasure to shoot in both revolver and rifle. I took my Marlin 45 LC boar hunting a few years ago and it knocked the socks off of my son's boar and mine ... average weight around 230 pounds.

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Re: 357mag or 45 LC
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2006, 07:32:42 AM »
How about one of each, 45 colt blackhawk on left, 357 mag 50 th anniversary on right

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2006, 03:16:03 PM »
I know this might upset some of the .45 folks, but if you don't like the recoil of the .44 mag, you won't like the recoil of the .45 either. You won't be able to tell the difference.

If you reload, it won't make any difference. You can down load anything to your level of comfort. If you don't reload, you can always shoot .44 Specials out of the .44 mag. There will be a lot more .44 loads to choose from.

Most places only carry CAS loads in the .45, and they cost more than the regular factory loads (if you can find any).

For a fun gun, it's hard to beat the combination of .38/.357. For just plinking, the Convertible model with the 9mm cylinder is a real cheap way to kill cans, clays and other assorted dangerous targets. The .357 will handle anything you will usually come across on the trail. The biggest danger is the two legged varmints. If it's a bear . . . well then you'll wish you had one of those heavy recoiling guns you don't like, with 300-gr. CastCore bullets. Anything else the .357 will handle.
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« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2006, 03:25:42 PM »
"I know this might upset some of the .45 folks, but if you don't like the recoil of the .44 mag, you won't like the recoil of the .45 either. You won't be able to tell the difference."

I've shoot thousands of rounds of both and I find the recoil of the .45 Colt to be much more plesant than the .44 Magnum.

"Most places only carry CAS loads in the .45, and they cost more than the regular factory loads (if you can find any)."

I've not found this to be the case in my area.

The .357 is like a .22 in that it's ok for plinking and cheap to shoot.  For real work, get a real gun.

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« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2006, 03:30:49 PM »
The .45 with standard loads is very easy on the hands.  Even with some of the hotter loads, it's not bad at all to shoot. 

Compared to a .44 Mag, I'll shoot my .45 all day long.

Not to knock the .38/.357 setup.  I'd love to have one and will someday, but for an all around 'do-it-all' gun, I'll carry a .45 anytime.

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2006, 05:52:46 AM »
Unless you're shooting CAS, I can't see any practical advantage the .45 has over the .44 mag.  Any .44 Mag will shoot .44 spl which should be comparable in recoil to the .45.

I don't think the .45 would be any more fun to reload than the .44 or the .357.

Let's face it.  The biggest advantage the .45 has over the .44 is the .45 goes back to 1873, and is one of the first cartridge guns ever.  Many practical minded men will poo-poo this as any reason for choosing a caliber.  BUT if all the practical differences are equal, or inconsequential, then why not?  If, I was choosing a gun to carry with me especially while riding horsieback - you bet the .45 Colt would be a consideration...  Because while I'm riding - it ain't about practical advantages it's all about play-time.  I'm sorry, but if I'm playin' cowboys and indians, a .45 ACP just won't cut it.

There are some practical considerations for the .357.  Cheap, cheap, cheap.  It just doesn't take as much to feed a .357.  17 grains of powder is a full-house load.  Factory ammo is cheaper.  Components are cheaper.

There are some trajectory advantages when you shoot a bullet at 1500 fps.  It goes farther before it drops much.  With the .357 you can achieve this velocity without much recoil.  So you can get some reach without excessive recoil.  The drawback is the .357 can't throw a heavy bullet as fast as a hot-loaded .45 or a .44 mag.  But consider this: reloading data for 200 grain cast bullets in a .357 magnum show velocities at 1300 fps. 
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