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Offline kyote

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reloading problems and fixes
« on: October 17, 2006, 03:04:07 PM »
recently I purchased another Dillion square deal.this one was dedicated to the 9mm.
I have already loaded over 4000 rounds in the last month or so.But not with out all kinds of problems.1st was the dillion sizing die.I thought and it was over sizing the case.the loaded case had a wasp waist to it are as the Dillion crew calls it a Dillion profile.and as far as they are concernd it functions in all firearms just fine and they don't seem to care how the  loaded ammo looks.I was loading FMJs at the time and most 9mm are normally.355 dia if jacketed and .356 if cast.I was not happy with the way the loaded ammo was looking so I tried the cast bullets I had and it was even worse.if the bullets did not go into the case perfectly straight.it made a bugle on one side of the case.and really made the wasp waist more prononced.I called dillion back and explained all this to them.they sent me a .38super sizing die and said it was a little over size and should correct the problem.
It did help some what.so I loaded all the cast bullets I had laying around mostly bullet miesters 135gr.round nose sized to .356.they turned out pretty good and shot really well with accuracy that would be hard to beat.
I had bought 2000 rounds of  surplus Iseral 9mm 115gr loose stuff various head stamps.It did not fire.so a call to the folks that sold the stuff,and they gave most my money back and I kept the stuff for componets.after pulling all the bullets,soakingt the primers and cleaning all the tar off the cases and bullets.I started to load the stuff.the brass is some of the nicest I have worked with.any how I noticed that some of the bullets would go into the case very easy and when measuring the COL the bullet would go further into the case when turning the dial indicator to run it down for the measurement.not very many but enough to make me want to find out why.I started measuring the various bullets to see what dia they were.most were .355 but alot were .354 even .353 I thought Hmmm.crap.but who knows what these bullets were used for.maybe they had some machine guns that used them.are some sterile stuff they made for covert work at one time.
I went ahead and loaded them all.and had made the crimp a little tighter for them.which really did not help.
In the mean time I bought some Lee 9mm loading dies.and used the sizing die in one of the rcbs rock chuckers.and was resizing WW once fired LE 9mm brass.I took the sizing die out of the dillion and started loading 500 nosler 115gr HPs well darned if they were not falling down into the case,not all just some.I called lee.got advice then called Dillion and told them what I thought was going on.Dillion had me take the powder through die out(same die that bells the case mouth also.)and mic the end of it right before the belling taper.four measurements all mic..ed at .357 the guy asked what letter is stamped on the die?I told him F and he said that is the correct die.but it is way over sized for the 9mm so they are sending me a new sizing die and a powder funnle(belling die).
I noticed when I took it out that the end where the powder came out into the case had a very sharp edge left by the cutting tool. and that powder was stuck along the wall of the funnel.I cleaned it out and could see tool marks left in there.circles So when I get the new one I am going to get a dowle that fits in that hole and put some sand paper around it and polish the inside of the funnel then chamfer the end and polish it.I have not had this happen before.and thought I had some really bad brass and bullets.Guess dillion is gotten so big he forgot about quality.even thoug he has a good no BS warranty.I hate to use it.I just want stuff that works right  when I buy it.
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Re: reloading problems and fixes
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2006, 01:59:34 PM »
It looks to me like everything you bought is working just the way it is supposed to.
When loading lead bullets you have to expand the case neck and mouth with an expander made for lead bullets or a universal expander plug adjusted a bit deeper. You also have to chamfer your cases after trimming. This is done with a chamfer tool - not a dowel with sandpaper on it. The "wasp" eaisted cases are common with full sized cases and lead bullets make it worse because they are larger diameter. You can find dies that don't size cases that far but most size them smaller than the camber you fire them in. It works the brass more and I don't find them necessary so I modify my dies so they don't size that far. I am fortunate in that my revolver chambers are very close in size and I can neck-size my cases.
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Re: reloading problems and fixes
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2006, 03:03:08 PM »
the sizing die and powder funnel came yesterday.I mic-ed the piece below the belling tool and it mic-ed out .352 much better then the .357.I noticed that the powder thru die still had heavy rings left in it from the tools.I used a wooden dowel and sand paper and 15 minutes later the inside was smooth as a baby's behind.then I polished it on the inside also.the end where the powder came out still had some sharp edge so I used a chamfer tool and made a nice radius on it.I installed the new sizing die and it seems to be working better then the last.I ran several 115gr HPs thru her and they look more commercial now.no more wasp waist.

I don't trim 9mm brass and no need to chamfer it as the belling die is set up to except a non chamferd case.
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