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8 Million Workers Have......
« on: October 18, 2006, 10:47:49 PM »
just lost the right to organize. A major blow to the American Dream most would say. And who's to blame? {*note, this could directly affect you}.......fyi
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-goldstein/8-million-american-worker_b_30854.html?view=print
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Re: 8 Million Workers Have......
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 11:54:08 PM »
And this is yet further evidence that this country is controlled by big business and the American people blindly let them take our rights from us...

You have to love the Democratic Tyranny we live in today... Maybe one day America will wake up and demand back our Democracy. Nah I feel asleep at the keyboard there for a second it was just a dream they will never wake up… as I did…

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2006, 01:06:41 AM »
Big Business has lost all ethics.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 01:08:59 AM »
lost? that would imply that had to begin with

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 03:15:58 AM »
The american worker has taken it on the chin from 1983 when Regan busted the air traffic controllers union.  Union membership has declined to the point that unions have little effect on working conditions.

I've never been a union guy and there are loads of problems with them, but I do see the need for a limited amount of membership, say 20%.

In my former job, I worked 70 to 80 hour weeks, was awakened several times a week in the middle of the night, worked 100+ days in a row without a day off, and made a pretty fair salary doing it.  I averaged about 3 weekends a year off, seldom if ever got a holiday, and always felt like "hell".  My hunting and fishing was sacrificed.

A couple of years ago, I decided to give that life up.  Now I'm doing a job I love for a third less money, work 40 hours a week and always get 2 days in a row off.  My hunting and fishing has improved.  I went from a fat bank account to just keeping the lights on, but I'm much happier than I was in that miserable job that paid good.

The 40 hour week is a myth for most workers.   Today, the dow is near record breaking territory.  There is lots of money to be made if your willing to enslave yourself for the company.

Enter the Mexican trump card.  This card keeps wages artifically low, work hours high.

What jobs aren't outsourced to india are taken by illegals who work for a third the price.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 03:40:53 AM »
I was a very active member of a union for nearly 38 years and the one thing that I thought worked to the detriment of unions was that they always backed Dumbycrats.  Then, when the Republicans won, they couldn't figure out why they got no sympathy from them.  I always thought that unions should either stay out of politics, or do like business does and back both sides.

I was in a very democratic union, in that we (the local members) pretty much determined our own fate as opposed to being dictated to from the parent union.  The thing that I always resented though, was that those who often ended up in the leadership tried to use the union as an extension of the Democrat Party and they would try to use our treasurey to finance their favorite (Democrat) candidate.  I know for a fact that a good 40%, or more of the members voted for Republicans, so always backing Dumbycrats, who ofter would lose, just seemed to me to be imprudent.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 10:48:04 PM »
Don't forget the military... can't unionize, illegal as heck... do more with less... AF is trying to cut another 40,000.  Mission goes up... deployments go up... got AF and Navy folks doing convoy duty and dismounted patrols in Iraq and Afghanistan just like Army and Marines so they can go bust doors and shoot bad guys.  Regular staff jobs are routine 10-12 hours a day and then the additional duties/pt/family.  Leave home at 0630 get home at 2200 or so 5 days a week including all the "volunteer" work (scouts, sports coach, etc).  Weekends are more "volunteer work" which you have to do to get promoted.  I'd love to have a straight day job with no extra duties or volunteer stuff.  Just go to work and go home.  Even 60 hour weeks would be a blessing!!!  Can't wait for another 2-3 years so I can retire!!!


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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2006, 02:03:32 PM »
   I have worked both union and non-union...and I am not about to cry crocadile tears for the unions. They whine abiout how badly they are treated by business.
  I have seen unions picket non-union workers and when they have the power, try to keep non-union folks from getting jobs. They have beaten up non union workers, vandalized their cars...and committed other mafia like deeds. Truly, the labor unions are the antithesis of freedom, especially when they meddle with people who do not choose to "lock step' with the unions..

      They treat non-union folks worse than the worst businesses treat the unions.

  A reminder: Pres Reagan did not "bust" the unions..those members busted themselves..they had a federal contract that agreed that they WOULD NOT STRIKE...
    ...They struck anyway..The President was very patient..he gave them 30 days to go back to work...pig headedly, they refused to go back to work...

   ..Pretty obvious..they got just what they begged for..
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Re: 8 Million Workers Have......
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 05:49:17 PM »
Boo Hoo! 

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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2006, 07:21:16 PM »
i hate to be the bearer of bad of bad news, but there is a strike for bombardier (learjet) going on in wichita right now and about 299,000 people could give a flip less about what is happening to them, the other 1,000 of wichitas population is on strike.  but seriously how is a city of people than can barely find or keep a 10.00 per hour job give a rats a** less about how these people that are making at least 25.00 per hour?   just a question for you because i am one of the ones trying
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Re: 8 Million Workers Have......
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2006, 01:14:43 AM »
I think the days of organized labor are over.  All the jobs have gone overseas.  Companies can't afford to stay in the US.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2006, 02:19:08 AM »
     


          Neither management nor unions are magnanimous, concerned, loving, brotherly, principled etc,etc..

           The big corporate and big union bosses are like two peas in a pod....I have seen double-crosses pulled by both !

            They just play off each other..each demonizing the other...all at the cost of the working stiff...
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2006, 02:52:41 AM »
     


          Neither management nor unions are magnanimous, concerned, loving, brotherly, principled etc,etc..

           The big corporate and big union bosses are like two peas in a pod....I have seen double-crosses pulled by both !

            They just play off each other..each demonizing the other...all at the cost of the working stiff...

That's another shot in the X ring.

The point I was trying to make was that every thing has a balance.  Just as everyone shouldn't carry a firearm, not every one should be in the union.

As a 20% group of people that carry concealed reduces crime, the same is true with union membership keeping employee pay and benefits up, or, at least it should.

The sad fact is that a lot of employers couldn't give a rat's tail about the employee's, and there are certainly a lot of employee's who feel no obligation to do anything but collect a paycheck. 

Labor is now a commodity with globalization and free trade agreements a tool to exploit labor and increase profits.

Nothing wrong with making a profit.  That's what all business is intended to do.  However, there should be, in a perfect world, a moral obligation to improve the lives of those associated with making that profit. 

Labor unions took advantage of the situation in the past, but now corporate america has the upper hand and the balance has shifted.  I'd just like to see things go back to the center and employee/management relationships based on moral obligation rather than maximizeing profit.

What good is it a man profit but loose his soul in the process?



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Re: 8 Million Workers Have......
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2006, 04:05:04 PM »
You're right there VC...balance is important..
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