Author Topic: Bedding T/C Forends (Read 5746 times)

rifleman · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2003, 03:48:38 AM »

OK, this is perfect timing for me. I recently picked up my first Contender. A used Stainless with 2 barrels, a 223 Super 16 and a 30-30 Super 14. When I got it there was only 1 forend (for the 14"). The 16 shot pretty good with the small forend with only 1 screw holding it, but I got a proper forend for it a few days ago. I saw this post a couple of days ago and immediately put 2 stainless washers on each forend screw. It seems pretty well free floated, but down near chamber end of the forend there is very slight contact on one side. Is any contact taboo, or mainly from the second screw out to the muzzle end of the forend? It's a Rynite T/C forend and I imagine trimming or Dremeling off any excess would be very easy. I haven't tried shooting it with this forend yet, but may go to the range tonite.

Thanks for the excellent post and great info.

Dave

SD Handgunner · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2003, 04:41:38 AM »

Hey Dave. Without looking at your forend I can only guess, but I would wonder if the dovetails in the barrel are not centered. You might check that out and tap one or the other dovetail slightly in the direction you need the forend to go. I have had to do this on a couple occasions. On a couple of my barrels the dovetail fit was soo loose in the barrel I had to shim under the dovetail(s) to make them tight.

Otherwise you can open up the barrel channel a little also. I had to do this when putting a Carbine Forend on a Bull Barrel and it worked quite well.

Larry

Javelina · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2003, 02:11:40 PM »

Rifleman,

It's best not to have any forend-to-barrel contact, so yes, any contact would be considered taboo in my book. SD Handgunner's suggestion of ensuring that your dovetails are centered is a good one and it's a quick, easy fix if that is part of your problem.

Safe and good shooting to you.

Javelina

rifleman · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2003, 04:31:43 PM »

Larry & Javelina,

Thanks for the replies. I floated and trimmed on the forend to relieve the contact. There was little room available, so I don't believe that moving the dovetail would have helped. Made a quick range trip tonite. Rather windy so not conducive to accurate shooting. We have some possibly severe thunderstorms approaching out of North Dakota, so we'll batten down the hatches for the night. I'll report back at some future time on results.

Thanks again
Dave

KYODE · « **Reply #34 on:** December 03, 2003, 04:46:58 PM »

BTT
thought i'd move this back to the top. it's very informative from javelina, and was a great post.
i've since changed out my electrical tape bedding, and used stainless steel washers on my contenders, and encores.
on my G2 contender, i had to do a little sanding inside the forearm to get clearance, even after using the washers.
i picked up the stainless washers at a local hardware for 5 cents each.
on the encore forearms, i took pliers and formed a rounded bend in the washers to somewhat fit the rounded shape of the barrel.
on the contenders, i just placed them down in the recessed areas of the forearm.
bug had a link to this thread a while back, and i thought i'd just bump it back up. thanks bug, i had forgotten about this super posting from javelina.

HGHunter · « **Reply #35 on:** December 07, 2003, 05:34:44 PM »

I have a question just so I am clear on this. For my 14" 6.5 JDJ I should attach the pachmayr hanger bar to the barrel as usual with screws and then put the washers on the single screw that attaches the pachmayr forend to the hanger bar?

Thanks

ftstinyc · « **Reply #36 on:** December 08, 2003, 04:27:05 PM »

Please tell me how this improves accuratcy? the forend is still screwed to
the barrel. I know this sounds stupid for you in the know but I don't know.

Camel 23 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 09, 2003, 05:46:43 PM »

By doing this you are free floating the barrel. You are taking away any pressure points you may have on the barrel caused by the fore end. These pressure points may change over time as the barrel heats up or if you rest the fore end on a sand bag at the range or a tree stump in the woods.

ftstinyc · « **Reply #38 on:** December 10, 2003, 12:52:17 AM »

Sorry I don't see the advantage. Yes buy putting a couple of washers
on the forend screws does keep most of the forend from touching the
barrel but I don't see how that helps how accurate it is. The forend is still
screwed to the barrel. I guess if it has been proven it is so but I just don't
get it. I could see if it was a rifle where the stock is one pcs and you
only bedded the action but the forend on the Encore is a seperate pcs
that is screwed to the barrel. The forend is going to move with the barrel
if it is full contact or screwed to it. Like I said I just don't understand.

KYODE · « **Reply #39 on:** December 10, 2003, 09:51:07 AM »

:? as a barrel heats, it moves. as a shot is fired, the barrel vibrates. if the forend touches on one side, and not on the other, shot to shot variations can exist. forearms are gonna be different from gun to gun. one may touch in different places along the barrel, or it may be tight fit on one side of the barrel, and loose on the opposite side. it may rub in several places underneath the barrel.
if you eliminate most forearm contact with the barrel, you are eliminating lot's of possibilities for shot to shot variation. if it only touches in a couple small spots, then there's less possibility for it to cause variation.
clear as mud? :lol:

buy one, try it. try it both ways. see if it helps or not. if it doesn't help, you don't need to do that. if it does help, then you're good to go.
bottom line, all guns could react differently to different things. it's nice to know a few things to try, if one is not shooting satisfactorily.

ftstinyc · « **Reply #40 on:** December 10, 2003, 10:58:02 AM »

I have a Encore with three barrels, They are all 15". I already have
put the washers in because I know you guys know a lot more than I do.
I have enough room to slip a pcs of paper in up to the 1st screw.
The washers I put in measured .040 in thickness. My gun shot great before. I don't know how much better it can shoot but if it doesn't I can
always take the washers out. Thanks for the explanation I'll give it a try.

ftstinyc · « **Reply #41 on:** December 12, 2003, 05:42:46 AM »

Does anyone know what size screws the forend on a Encore barrel takes?

KYODE · « **Reply #42 on:** December 12, 2003, 06:46:11 AM »

ENCORE - 8-40
CONTENDER - 10-32

Javelina · « **Reply #43 on:** October 24, 2004, 02:36:33 PM »

Hello All You T/C Hunters & Shooters!

I've had a lot of personal email during the last couple of weeks regarding my T/C forend bedding procedures (it looks to me like a lot of you are getting ready to kill something this fall with your T/C's :grin: ), and rather than sending the information out individually, and since I'm so lazy, I'll just move this forend bedding thread up to the top for anyone interested in not only my ideas, but the suggestions of everyone else who contributed.

As I always like to mention, if you use indexing procedures during your reloading process in conjunction with forend bedding/barrel isolation techniques, you'll have a more accurate T/C. Indexing takes slightly longer due to marking the cases first, but from then on you'll be glad you indexed when you see your accuracy results.

Safe and good shooting to you all - and make sure that forend is not robbing you of your T/C's inherent accuracy!

Javelina

Kivaari · « **Reply #44 on:** October 26, 2004, 12:03:31 PM »

Ugh....the agony.....

now I want a 6.5 JDJ with the Bullberry hanger forend...and no I don't want a 6.5 Bullberry Improved using wobbly 30/30 cases :^)...

Does anybody else have these painful decisions? :shock:

It does appear from the above posts that the T/C attachment can be "bedded" however...but no pretty wood from T/C or Fox River :roll:

cwop · « **Reply #45 on:** January 20, 2008, 09:18:43 AM »

is it possible for some of you guru s to post some picture of your success stories.

thanks

bob