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Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« on: October 24, 2006, 04:13:08 AM »
Some what dated.  I've read 4 and parts of several of the others. 

These books explain a lot about how we have become a secular society.

This is a must read for me.  These are the teachings of the "counter culture".

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=7591

Along with reading these books, I suggest reading:

The articles of the confederation.

The Declaration of Independence

The Madison Debates

The Federalist papers

These are the thoughts of our founding fathers.







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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 04:36:28 AM »
Honorable mention:

The Origin of Species
by Charles Darwin

lol.  Nothing sways me to your side of the argument like claiming evolution is ruining our society.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 05:06:06 AM »
Actually, that's a fabulous reading list, in it's own way.

As a counterpoint though, the assertion that "Mein Kampf" was one of the most 10 harmful books of the last 100 years tells me the person who created that list is mentally opaque at the most profound level. Let me begin by admitting that I only made it about 30 or 40% of the way through MK because of the abysmal style and weak logic; in all honesty, I was terribly disappointed in the work since I was expecting something at least intelligible. I have always had a hobby of reading classic literature (not that MK is classic literature, but it's historically important), and I've always thought it best to read original sources since the intent of original authors is so often mangled by later interpretation (see the Bible and the Catholic Church for an example).

Anyway, the assertion that MK was one of the 10 most harmful books of the past century is absurd. People bought the stupid book AFTER Adolph Hitler rose to power because it was the fashionable (and safe) thing to do. The book is completely the opposite of "The Communist Manifesto" in that regard. The book itself had a meanless impact on Hitler's rise to power, while "The Communist Manifesto" was the cause of Karl Marx's rise to prominence.

The inclusion of MK in that list tells me that the person who created the list is both ignorant of history and DUM.


Disclaimer: I'm Jewish and may therefore admit to having read "Mein Kampf"; if you call me a Nazi, you'll just look DUM, too.
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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 06:33:05 AM »
To clarify my earlier statements:

I don't mean to insult your selections, VC. I respect many of your thoughtful posts and wouldn't want my comments to be read in that light. Rather, I was indicating my opinion that the person who created the original list hadn't thought through his selections as carefully as he might have; or else his understanding was more limited than he wanted others to believe.

In no way was my criticism of him meant to be read as a criticism of you or your values.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 07:31:21 AM »
No need to apologise Syncerus.....no offense taken.....

I haven't read Mein Kampf, or any part of it yet........

So I really can't comment on it yet.....I do, intend to read it, and you've provide a perspective I haven't yet considered.

As for the list, well, it isn't mine but I do find the selection interesting.  Those who made the list are listed at the bottom of the article.

I posted the list to provoke thought.  Hopefully, by reading these controversal titles it will help us appreciate the liberty we allow to be taken from us at an alarming rate, and understand those who work toward "The new world order".

What's the old saying know your enemies?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."
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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 10:40:12 AM »
Books don't kill people... People kill people.  ;)
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 12:07:44 PM »
I tried to read Mein Kampf and got through 4 or 5 pages.  It should be rated in the 10 worst written books ever.  "Ramblings of a Lunatic" would be a better title.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2006, 04:05:42 PM »
The very most dangerous book is, in my opinion, the KORAN. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2006, 04:49:04 PM »
Sorry, but I don't think ANY book is harmful.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 06:07:51 AM »
Have you read "Justine" or "Juliette" by De Sade?

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2006, 10:25:40 AM »
Leftyred I agree with you , since we have free will we can read an opinion and either agree or disagree with what is said . I have read De Sade but have not acted on what he wrote , similarly I have read Marx's
Communist Manifesto but I am still a Conservative . We are what we do , not what we read . 

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2006, 12:25:56 PM »
I largely agree with you Doc, but would nevertheless enjoy reading your explanation of the beneficial influence that De Sade's writings have had upon your life.

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If we accept the notion that a book may have a benefical influence on our life, we must therefore accept the notion that a book may have a baneful influence on our life. Certainly we can't have it both ways. So, in the interests of stirring up trouble, let's take a quick look at the Bible. Has the Bible exerted a beneficial influence on your life? If it has, what does that imply in the context of this discussion?
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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2006, 12:57:27 PM »
"since we have free will"

do we?

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2006, 11:07:45 AM »
Syncerus :  I should explain that in real life I am a bio-eticist and theologian , so that should be the kiss of death on my future posts   :) . De Sade showed me what a man could be capable of and the depths to which he could sink , it posed for me the question ; do I wish to be like this , would it improve my quality of being and the answer was no .
The Bible was the basis for my studies for a Doctor of Divinity degree but now I am an agnostic , so that did not do me a lot of good . I should not blame the Bible , it was other sources that changed me .

TM7: A little known fact was that when Marx qualified from university his first post was as a lecturer in theology , it really went down hill after he met Engels .

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2006, 11:24:47 AM »
No education is wasted, no matter what the subject.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2006, 04:13:05 PM »
  I agree with the list...except the books are not dangerous..unless a reader takes them serious..
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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2006, 04:36:16 PM »
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No education is wasted, no matter what the subject.

Well said.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2006, 11:09:28 PM »
No education is wasted, no matter what the subject.

The education that Muslum Imams are giving their followers that killing all Americans is good certainly seems to be quite a waste - IMO.  Some people in their zeal to be open minded forget that there is still evil in this world.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2006, 05:06:01 AM »
No factual education is wasted. An education based on opinion is less useful. An education based on fantasy is useless.

Thus, an engineering degree is marketable. An American history degree is less marketable but still functional. A degree in theology is almost useless unless you plan on becoming a witch doctor.

The fundamental skills are never wasted and reason, logic and applied logic are never wasted. When the predominant practitioners of a field assert that their field cannot be circumscribed by logic or reason, they are asserting the senility and irrelevence of their field. Look at the decline of Philosophy as an example.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2006, 05:10:06 AM »
No education is wasted, no matter what the subject.

The education that Muslum Imams are giving their followers that killing all Americans is good certainly seems to be quite a waste - IMO.  Some people in their zeal to be open minded forget that there is still evil in this world.

There is a difference between education and brainwashing.  Education will present it's information in a context that allows you see things for what they are.  Indoctrination is a whole different game.  It's designed to force a belief at the exclusion of all others. 

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2006, 03:57:21 AM »
No education is wasted, no matter what the subject.

The education that Muslum Imams are giving their followers that killing all Americans is good certainly seems to be quite a waste - IMO.  Some people in their zeal to be open minded forget that there is still evil in this world.

There is a difference between education and brainwashing.  Education will present it's information in a context that allows you see things for what they are.  Indoctrination is a whole different game.  It's designed to force a belief at the exclusion of all others. 

Much better!  I was hoping to get a rise out of you on that one.  Many leftists spout off the importance of education without any care about or placing any standards around quality, factuality or context.  When this happens, equivalency is given to "crap" like the communist manifesto and say the US Constitution.  My wife just went through 3 years of listening to crap being spewed from leftist professors mouths to get her Masters at ASU. The majority of these profs either don’t have the ability or don’t care to make value judgments and spend much of their time reciting leftist hate rather than the subject material.  I have 3 degrees ( 2 under grad and 1 graduate)  and had to listen to the same liberal spewing of garbage to learn the material.  All this under the guise of "Education".


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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2006, 01:22:41 PM »
  Azshooter;

   What "educators" are often doing now..must be classified as some kind of trust betrayal. They get those young, absorbent minds under their "care"..then start pumping them full of leftist/Marxist propaganda..
 
   Now, some of the brighter, more mentally alert are not "sucked in" with all that blather. The truly astute, make up their own minds after a bit of experience beyond those captive classes.

   That being said,  what percentage of the students do you think (from observation)... fall.. hook-line-and-sinker for that mind-messing ?
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2006, 01:29:56 PM »
Based on Rush Limbaugh's audience share, I'm guessing quite a few!! ;)

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2006, 02:04:35 PM »
Can anyone name a book that has done more evil, and poisoned more minds  than the koran??? POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2006, 02:38:51 PM »
Can anyone name a book that has done more evil, and poisoned more minds  than the koran??? POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Dare I say it......The Bible.  I do not consider it evil, but it has definately had interpretations through history that has caused untold millions of deaths.  Think of it this way.  If the average "Christian" took their religion as serious as the average "Muslim" we would be in a war that would make all others pale to insignificance.

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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2006, 06:41:28 PM »

   That being said,  what percentage of the students do you think (from observation)... fall.. hook-line-and-sinker for that mind-messing ?

I would guess it to be around 70% percent at graduation time.  After getting a real job and paying taxes, reality begins to set in and the smarter ones come around and become a success. 

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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2006, 11:19:09 PM »
  Azshooter;

   Thanks; I find your statements particularly compelling..

  About a week ago, I heard a commentator speaking on just that subject. The speaker reasoned that the left wing is due for huge growth in the near future because in polls, the 18-25 yr groups are very strongly liberal.

  I thought then that the speaker may be a bit myopic, not taking into account the natural experiential, wisdom producing growth that normally takes place.

  I don't know the background of the commentator, but with that narrow of a view, I would strongly suspect academia.
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Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2006, 09:47:43 AM »
If Christians took their religion as serious as Muslims, there would be massive christian martyrs,   NOT soldiers. 
The above is true is one reads and follows what Jesus says and does in the Bible.  Wacko's will twist the simplest truth into hate, hence attrocities in the name of Christ have occured.

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