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Re: is there any where
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2007, 11:59:07 AM »
The mystical BF after a visit to gander Mtn?
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2007, 02:44:25 PM »
I don't know how G.B. managed it, but the Spencer Creek Image has been put back into the blank space above.  That should make some of the above discussion, and perhaps some to follow, more intelligible. 
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2007, 05:35:09 PM »
Found the old image and assigned it a new URL.


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Re: is there any where
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2007, 10:06:23 AM »
Go to Ray Ford's sequence of four (4) pics on p. 1 of this thread and check out the second (from top) pic where Harrington is pointing at the tree.  The actual tree to which the gamecam was originally affixed is to his left (2 oaks) and is the tree (far left) closest to the creek bed.  Note they are somewhat less than ~6' apart and compare to the following picture(s) and then compare to the "BF" photo GB placed on this thread.  Is it just me or could the bark of the tree in the rear (west of the camera tree) be what is seen behind the image?  This would mean the camera was possibly tilted around to the WNW and somewhat perpendicular to the ground when this photo was snapped.  Also, compare the limb formations of my pics to that of the "BF" photo as there may be a correlation?







same pic as the (third one) last except tilted at 90-180 degrees as the gamecam may have been.




Also, this is where the "BF Crossing Creek" photo (07/2002) was snapped.  If you look closely the bubbles (where the BF is holding it's breath underwater) can be seen rising up!  :D




Finally, note a pic of the many, many evidences of beaver activity in this location.




Food for thought...
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2007, 03:01:36 PM »
How many more years are you going to dedicate yourself to debunking a photo we all know isnt a BF in the firstplace?
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2007, 04:21:23 PM »
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2007, 06:02:12 PM »
IMHO, what this illustrates is the "subject" in BM's photo is likely not more than 30" in height.  About right for a large male beaver raising up and under the gamecam before peeling off and away from it when the lens clicked.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2007, 06:49:16 PM »
According to your "co-investigator" eagle BF can shapeshift and remove itself from photographs,u Suuuuuure thats a beaver?ROFL!!
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2007, 06:55:54 PM »
According to your "co-investigator" eagle BF can shapeshift and remove itself from photographs,u Suuuuuure thats a beaver?ROFL!!

Since you apparently possess only the capacity to gripe and contribute absolutely nothing, nada, zero to the discussion please remove yourself from this thread and shapeshift back into your dimension of negativity magnumitis  aka: the forum GB assigned to you?
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2007, 10:13:57 PM »
I'm sorry,i go trespass on private land and then share photos of trees and possible beaver evidence and stories about how the owner of the land is a liar and a thief,you know the good stuff you have shared for the past couple months.If the person who you have chosen to stalk had not insulted the owner your threads wouldnt last 2 min.Im not going to defend BM or his pic because he obviously made a huge mistake with his actions here and everyone already knows the pic is BS but get over it,I know you two had a horrible break up but you have to move on.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2007, 04:55:41 AM »
I'm sorry,i go trespass on private land and then share photos of trees and possible beaver evidence and stories about how the owner of the land is a liar and a thief,you know the good stuff you have shared for the past couple months.If the person who you have chosen to stalk had not insulted the owner your threads wouldnt last 2 min.Im not going to defend BM or his pic because he obviously made a huge mistake with his actions here and everyone already knows the pic is BS but get over it,I know you two had a horrible break up but you have to move on.

Why do you seem to have a problem with the facts?

1. I never trespassed on anyone's land to get these pics.

2. Since when has exposing the truth been stalking?

3. The other website chose to squelch the facts...that speaks volumes (IMHO) for their credibility/integrity or rather, lack thereof.

Again, if you have such a problem with the facts perhaps it is you that should move on?
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2007, 09:27:34 AM »
Read your last 30 posts and show me one that isnt dedicated to slamming someone (BM or me).
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2007, 10:00:58 AM »
Read your last 30 posts and show me one that isnt dedicated to slamming someone (BM or me).


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Re: is there any where
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2007, 10:02:21 AM »
Ignoring the above exchanges....

T's.g.'s picture come through on my computer as a little dark, but, having been to the location in good daylight, I see what he is suggesting.  The problem is that, to put it bluntly, we are probably screwed in the process of analyzing this particular photo.  Is the Spencer Creek Image in the photo a Big Foot?  It may be; it may not be.  We can't know because we know too little about the photo itself:

On what tree was the game camera located?
In which direction was it pointed?
Was it tilted with one end of the camera higher than the other?
Was the lens pointed upward or downward?
How far from the camera was the "critter" in relation to the background?
What was on the film before and after this photo was taken.
Was the photo cropped?  (I know one man's answer to this question, but I can't post it--and that's OK and understandable.)
And more questions could probably be added to this sequence of questions.

Soon after the photo was first posted, someone raised the question, "How can it show creek bank on one side of the "critter" and sky on the other.  Because I knew that the camera was mounted aimed down into and across the creek, I jumped to the conclusion that the camera was tilted and therefore captured the creek bank on the lower end and the sky on the higher end.  G.B., quite correctly, posted that, if the "critter" was standing upright and the camera was tilted, the "critter" would have been at an angle to the horizontal axis of the photo--which it isn't. After that post, I spent a little more time looking at the photo and decided that the camera was NOT tilted end to end.  It may have been pointed up and down but not tilted with one end higher than the other. I looked for a perspective in which the camera could have captured both bank and sky, and came to the conclusion that the dark area to the "critter's" left is not bank but the large oak tree shown in one of the pictures posted May 24.  I believe that the posed picture posted June 5, illustrates this perspective.  But I encountered a problem: the striations in the bark shown in the photo are angled down from left to right, not vertical.  The only place that this occurs on the oak is on a large root.  But there is another problem: if the "critter" was next to the root--It appears to be in the photo!--it could be not much more than 24 inches tall.  If the "crtitter" was right at the camera and the root in the background, the camera might have captured the two with a perspective that made them look the same size.  If this had happened, would the photo have required cropping?

B.M. thinks the image is a Big Foot.
G.B. thinks it might be a hoax.
I think it might be either a Big Foot or a Beaver.

Let me add one thing that perhaps should go on the thread asking the question, "Would you shoot a Big Foot if...?"  I really don't like to kill anything.  I have, and I will, but I don't particularly enjoy doing it.  I. if they exist and if I encountered one, would not shoot a Big Foot unless it was to protect myself or another person. What if it were the last one?  I don't really enjoy killing things, but I enjoy hunting and being in the wild. What better thing for me to do than hunt Big Feet?  I'll enjoy roaming the woods and will probably never have to kill anything.  As I have posted in another place, Big Feet hunting is the best excuse since Men's Prayer Meeting to get out of the house and with the guys! And there might be one out there!!!

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Re: is there any where
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2007, 11:04:58 AM »





The above is one more of the pictures that I took at the same time as those in my May 24, 2007, post.  In it, I posed F.M. by the large oak tree to, among other things, illustrate how a photo could capture an image of a "critter" with the dark of the oak tree on the left and blue sky on the right. But it also illustrates the difficulty that I had in duplicating the Spencer Creek Image. (That's what I have decided to start calling the B.M. picture.) To take this photo, I held my camera horizontal--not tilted.

To partially explain Nonya's following post, a friend of mine, using his computer, posted this picture for me this morning with the words "Explanation to follow." He could not post the picture without some text. I'm still not having much luck posting the photos myself.  My intent was to add the "explanation" when I got back to my own computer. This is a mondification of his post made for me. I have one other picture that I will try to get up.  No, F.M. is not a Big Foot--not real or otherwise. Actually, he wears a quite normal size shoe and lives no where near Gander Mountain.


I have added a second, similar picture to the one posted above.  The first picture was taken with F.M. close to the camera.  The second picture was taken with F.M. farther from the camera and closer to the tree.  The two together might be instructive.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2007, 04:40:47 PM »
Read your last 30 posts and show me one that isnt dedicated to slamming someone (BM or me).

YEP, POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2007, 04:48:47 PM »
Read your last 30 posts and show me one that isnt dedicated to slamming someone (BM or me).

YEP, POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Sorry, didn't mean to hurt your feelings Powder (either one of them) as you were the second fella I thought of when passing the church sign!  :D
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2007, 05:37:27 AM »
How many more years are you going to dedicate yourself to debunking a photo we all know isnt a BF in the firstplace?

Nonya, would you mind explaining, cordially, why you say "we all know [it] isn[']t a B[ig] F[oot]."  Your use of the definite "know" is what prompts the question. Is it the case that you "know" it isn't a Big Foot because you know, or believe, that Big Feet do not exist?  Or is it the case that you see something in the photo that makes you know, or believe, that the Spencer Creek Image is not a Big Foot--something else?

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Re: is there any where
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2007, 09:04:11 AM »
Whatever that is in the pic is not a 7 foot tall ape like being,its way to close to the lense to be anywhere near that size,it may be big enough to be a beaver but I would say a small beaver.I am a photographer and in my opinion there is no way you would get a being that size in fram at that range.
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« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2007, 04:33:26 PM »
tg. Whew, thanks, I thought you had forgotten me.  Ya might consider stopping by that church someday. :D :D. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2007, 06:18:19 PM »
tg. Whew, thanks, I thought you had forgotten me.  Ya might consider stopping by that church someday. :D :D. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D

Hey, anything for a pal!  BTW, they wouldn't let me in the church...something about they were afraid the walls would fall down!  ;)

Also, I've gotta share this with everyone...earlier this evening that 5' 9" blue-eyed blond Teutonic princess that lets me hang with her walked by the computer while I was looking at this thread and the pics of BM & fireman/razor, et. al. and commented about Harrington..."who is that pudgy bald guy, Doug's son?"

A while later I got up off the floor and had to check for a busted gut.  :D
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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2007, 09:33:39 AM »
I have to agree with T's.g. on one thing: he does hang around with a "5'9" blue-eyed blond[e] teutonic princess." Can't tell you how he managed to get her to marry him, but the cross seems to have worked: their pretty little Laura is burning up the woods as a little league softball pictcher.  She has German from her mother for brains and Indian from her daddy for atheletic ability. I hope T's.g. can stay out of trouble long enough to get her to a college team.  But enough about that!

Nonya,

I really have no professional training as a photographer, but I do have some professional experience.  My first degree is from the University of Tulsa and is a B.A. in Religious-Journalism.  I worked, before going into the ministry, as a reporter and as an editor, and that involved taking a lot of pictures with whatever camera the particular newspaper owned. I remember, early on, being told to never take a picture of someone getting their picture taken.  I was instructed to take a picture of them doing something else.  And I just learned a few things about perspective and stuff.

In my above post--the one on June 7. 2007--I have two pictures. I took some time to remember how they were taken.  The second of the two pictures was, if my memory serves me well, taken with F.M. standing by the oak tree and me, with the camera, positioned where the game camera would have been.  You can see that, although the picture includes F.M. as a stand-in for the "critter," the oak tree, and the sky, it shows a lot more background than B.M.'s picture--the Spencer Creek Image.  To take the second picture, either I moved toward F.M. or he moved back toward me until I had him framed in my camera's viewer in a way similar to how the "critter" is seen in B.M.'s picture.

As I have said before, I, despite this effort, was unable to duplicate that picture.  I have dark to F.M.'s left, sky to his right, and him as a stand-in "critter" in between, but the details are not the same.  I still do not know for sure exactly how the Spencer Creek Image was obtained at that location.  And I doubt that I ever will.

The location, though, is one where I might expect to capture a picture of a Big Foot--if there are Big Feet. I have discussed the natural switchback that allows something to easily come up out of the Spencer Creek at this location.  And Spencer Creek provides a route from a mesa-like wilderness area east of B.M.'s place--T's.g. and D.G. call it the Arrowhead because of its shape on an aerial map--to Oolagah lake and adjoining Corps land.  Where Spencer Creeks starts to widen into lake, I have observed concentrations of large Gar that could be a food source for a Big Foot--if there are Big Feet.   
 
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2007, 09:49:44 AM »
From what i remember of the pic the perspective looked like it was at almost ground level and kiltered to the side,either way it isnt a good enough picture to prove anything even if it was a BF standing there,just another blurry,poorly framed photo of nothing that someone wants people to believe is a BF.
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« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2007, 10:35:52 AM »
From what i remember of the pic the perspective looked like it was at almost ground level and kiltered to the side,either way it isnt a good enough picture to prove anything even if it was a BF standing there,just another blurry,poorly framed photo of nothing that someone wants people to believe is a BF.

And THAT is really about all I've ever really said about the photo. There is no way to tell from such a poor photo what the heck it's a photo of.


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« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2007, 10:38:57 AM »
Nonya,

You're right that the picture does not prove (emphasis on prove) much of anything.  Nothing is going to prove the existence of Big Feet in general, or the presence of a Big Foot in any particular place, other than a body--a body subjected to proper scientific examination.  But I disagree that it is a picture of nothing: it is a picture of something.  We just don't know what.

And ditto to G.B.
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« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2007, 06:51:25 PM »
With Oologah reservoir at +24' (100 year flood levels all over NE Oklahoma right now) and rising I took another boat ride up Spencer creek north.  It was eerie motoring through treetops that ordinarily would be 20'+ overhead in the creek channel and I had trouble staying in the channel because the adjacent woods were flooded for up to  1/2 mile in some places.  Took a passle of new pictures including some of the HBF as I motored across it NE to SW with the water being ~4-6' deep in it.  Drove up to #7 stand and took a pic showing ~6' of it above the waterline and also old #5 which is basically in the same shape.  Went all the way to county road 421 with the bridge culverts (12'X20') being completely submerged and the water only needing to rise another ~3' to cover the blacktop.

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« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2007, 06:36:59 AM »
Them Oklahoma Bigfeet have all headed back to the Northwest: The water is too deep in this part of the country.
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« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2007, 08:41:06 AM »
They havnt come this far or i would have smelled them by now,i went for a hike tues and all i smelled was 14 head of antelope,236 gophers,4 rattlesnakes,a pigeon,56 grasshoppers and a redtailed hawk,Ill keep my nose open though.
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« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2007, 11:27:27 AM »
Nonya,

If you ever get down into Oklahoma's bottom land, you better keep your nose open: Cottonmouths have a very distinctive, and bad, odor.  If you smell it, it is best to look your surroundings over very carefully before taking your next step.

We have three venomous snakes in Oklahoma--that are naturally occurring here:

l. Rattler.  The Wildlife Management Area on the Deep Fork River in the Okmulgee area has pigmy rattlers and other varities of the noisy snakes are found across the state.

2. Copperhead.  Generally occurs in rocky, brushy areas.  They'll also find their way into old storage sheds, piles of old lumber....  A friend of mine lost a dog to a Copperhead that they found hid out in the dog house.

3. Cottonmouth.  The last thing you see before a Cottonmouth bites you on the nose is a pearly white mouth.  Hopefully, your nose will detect the snake before you see the mouth. 

We also have a snake, the name of which I don't remember, that will scare you to death because it has a color that mimics that of a Coral.

If you see any Bigfeet traversing Montana in the direction of the Pacific Northwest, leave 'em be: they're Okies fleeing, not the Dust Bowl of the 1930's, but the Water Basin of the present.  (It was sunny this morning, but we are having our daily thunder-and-lightning-and-rain storm at the moment.) It is common lore that Bigfeet have an odor that rivals a Cottonmouth.

Would like to see Montana sometime.  Would your Indian cousins look kindly on an old Cherokee from Oklahoma? What tribe did you spring from?   

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« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2007, 10:38:28 PM »
Blackfoot.Most of the tribes here hate each other with a Passion,its funny to me,they all bi*** about white racism but they hate other tribes.Im no more welcome on the res than any other white man,if you dont look Indian and drive a rez rocket you dont fit in!That other snake is a corn snake i think,idk...
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