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is there any where
« on: October 27, 2006, 03:18:38 PM »
to see the photos that bulletmaker was almost famous for?seems that they have been posted all over the place and when I get to where they are he has removed them are some one else has removed them..just curious..thank you..
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2006, 05:29:55 PM »
Matt posted it here at GBO several months back. He just pulled the image from there and added it here. I'm reasonably confident it should still be here in a post made by Matt and likely on the GBO BFRG Forum. Just try backing up a few pages looking for posts by him. I'm reasonably confident he was the thread starter where he posted it. There aren't that many pages to search thru.

OK maybe not. I looked in this forum and didn't find it. Either it has gotten deleted also or is on another of the forums, perhaps Strange Things Seen?

Or just e-mail me and I'll hunt down a copy on my hard drive and e-mail it to you.


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Re: is there any where
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2006, 08:01:21 AM »
I believe this is the link to the picture in question. http://www.grendelfilms.org/newsite/bfimages.htm  I found it on the 1st page of the post titled "Picture of bigfoot" towards the bottom of the page.  I hope this helps.

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Re: is there any where
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2006, 01:37:14 PM »
Yup that's it.



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Re: is there any where
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2006, 02:22:29 PM »
Double yep!  That's the picture that I, and some others, was shown at his house.  He identified the apparent vertical depression in the middle of the back of whatever this is as a back bone channel.  And there could be the back of an arm to the viewers right. There may be shoulder blades visible to either side of the back bone channel.  And he saw the face of a baby primate just above the arm.  Look and draw your own conclusions.  I do not believe that this is an "enhanced" copy: it appears to be the same as I saw it early on.

The probable cant of the camera explains sky on one side and creek bank on the other.

I'm glad it has been posted.  It refreshes my memory.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 05:56:53 AM »
thanks for the effort folks..I will try and make something of it my self. and for what it's worth I will write down what I think I see.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2006, 07:34:04 AM »
See my thread, "Hunting for Bigfoot," under "General Discussion" on www.gbofreeforums.info/Bigfootstudy, for my discussion of this photo.  Last post today, October 31.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2006, 05:37:52 AM »
Well, I have to admit that I think that I made a mistake. 

In response to a post by Graybeard in my thread "Hunting for Bigfoot" under "General Discussion" on www.gbofreeforums.info/Bigfootstudy, I spent some time looking at the above posted photo.  I believe that I was the one who first said that the photo was tilted.  I've changed my mind about that: it isn't tilted.  See my post of November 8 on Bigfootstudy.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2006, 07:15:50 AM »
Doug himself said the camera was tilted when he went to get the photos and he and others who should know have all said it was tilted. I was even told by either John or Dennis that they have other photos shot in the same sequence which show the non tilted angle with nothing in them but the scenery, no critter or whatever it might be.


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Re: is there any where
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 09:01:51 AM »
The original position of the camera was ~10 degrees below horizon and facing out toward the creekbed to get a pic of anything traversing it.   The pic clearly illustrates it (camera) was canted upward at ~1:00 as blue sky and an adjacent tree top are shown in the upper right corner.  The grey/brown (striated) area on the upper left is the creekbank which is composed of shale/clay found along that section of the creek.  BTW, the camera was situated ~80 yards up the creek from public ground as the COE (per their maps) boundary basically goes through the middle of BM's 80 acres (Spencer creek high water level easement line) almost up to the area known as "Roy's crossing" located a few yards down from the camera location.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2006, 08:25:37 AM »
I never intended to again get into an extended discussion of this picture when I brought it up on my thread, "Hunting for Bigfoot," on www.freeforums.info/Bigfootstudy, but....

I remember someone questioning why the picture showed bright sky on one side of the image and a dark something or the other on the other side of it.  It seemed obvious to me that what would cause the sky to be visible on one side and the bank on the other was a tilt of the camera--so I posted that suggestion.  While I had heard discussion about the dark side being bank, I didn't recall, at that time, anyone having mentioned that the camera was tilted.  That was why I thought that I was the one who made the original suggestion.  But that's a small matter.

Despite my respect for T's.g'son. and Graybeard--both probably know more about this picture than I do--I'm not prepared, at this time, to give up my notion that the camera was pushed around the tree and remained somewhat horizontal.  It would, therefore capture the near bank, the upright image, and the sky over the far bank.  I said the camera remained somewhat horizontal, but it could have been pushed around the tree and been somewhat tilted--but not very much.  It did capture the upright image--if what the image is was upright.  There seems to me to be some things in the picture that support my position--I think.

I'm not going to say anything more about the matter until, and IF, I have an apportunity to do some more investigation and study.  I still hold my Beaver theory, but I'm not prepared to say that the image is definitely not a Bigfoot--or some such creature.

I happened, a day or so ago in T's.g'son's office, to be looking at a copy of the above post of the picture when a friend. a life-long outdoorsman, walked in and saw it.  He asked, "What's that?"  I replied with a question, "What do you think that it is?"  He looked at the copy a moment, then jokingly--I think he was joking--said, "A Grizzly Bear's butt."  I asked him if it looked like a Beaver, and he seriously said that it did, mentioning that it appeared to have guard hairs.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2007, 08:51:37 AM »
I'm sorry that we have lost Bulletmaker's photo from this thread.  Be that as it may, I dropped in at his place a while back with my camera and took some pictures of the place where the game camera which took the photo was located.  I had a good visit with him and Fireman, and, although I thought at the time that my camera was not functioning properly, I got some good pictures--which I would like to share with everyone interested.  But, being a computer ignoramus, I haven't figured out how to post them.

Graybeard instructed me to sign up on www.myhostedpics.com and told me that I could post them from there.  I did so sign up, but I have not been successful at uploading any images to it.  Must be doing something wrong.  If there is someone out there who can instruct me, I would appreciate them contacting me.  It is Biblical to give and receive instruction.

There is one thing about the site that intriques me.  If I can get the pictures posted, I'll tell you what it is.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2007, 04:41:06 AM »
I figured it out; actually, I went, with the assistance of a friend, to www.photobucket.com.  Here are four pictures from several that I took while visiting with Bulletmaker and Fireman at B.M.'s place on Spencer Creek--which creek flows into Oolagah Lake in Eastern Oklahoma.  I regret that we have lost the much debated picture that was posted above. (To enlarge these pictures, click on them and then hit the little doohicky up by the "x" in the corner--but you computer guys probably know that.)



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These were taken at the spot where B.M.'s photo was taken.  And I find them instructive and the locale of considerable interest.  Spencer Creek crosses the black-topped road on which B.M.'s place fronts and circles north and west across his property to Corps land where it enters the lake.  At the spot where the B.M. photo was snapped, the creek has a south to north orientation, but, shortly after passing the game camera's location, it bends to the west.  This takes the creek around a cultivated field.  (T's.g. refers to it as "the hidden bean field.") 

We were on the east edge of this field--we had a barrel fire going--just a short distance from the creek when I smelled that "wet horse" for a few moments.  (I've posted 'bout this before.)  It was where the creek crosses the section road one mile west of the above mentioned black-topped road that we, T.'s.g., D.G., and I, heard the footsteps in the water.  (I've posted 'bout this before.)  Other "activity" has been reported round about the "hidden bean field."  (I think they call it the "hidden bean field" because it generally isn't visible until you get to it.  B.M. sometimes has a deer feeder located there.)

Photo One: This picture was taken from the field road which follows the timber around the field.  It shows B.M. looking toward the place on the creek where the game camera was located.  Note the large tree to his left.  The camera was attached with a bungee cord to one of the smaller trees to his right.

Photo Two: This picture was taken from down under the bank--the reverse of Photo One.  It shows B.M. looking down into the creek and Fireman pointing toward a tree which leans toward the creek.  Note the two straight trees just past him.  B.M. thought that the leaning tree was the one to which the camera was attached.  (I say thought because he was not 100% certain.  Remember, he did not realize that an image had been captured by the camera when he retrieved it.  He did not take notes.  It wasn't until the film was developed that the importance of details of the scene was recognized.)  When I visited the scene with B.M., T's.g., and D.G.--Wasn't it a good time when we could all get together?--I remember that the tree pointed out to me at that time was a larger, straight-standing tree, perhaps the smaller of the two trees to F.M.'s left.

Photo Three: This picture shows the base of the large oak tree seen in the previous two photos.  Note the texture of the bark.  Especially note the directions of the striations in the bark at various places.  Note that the striations on the large root on the opposite, north side of the tree angled downward from left to right.

Photo Four: This picture shows F.M. standing beside the leaning tree looking at a copy of the B.M. photo and facing east toward the creek.  Note the low water level.

My working theory is that the camera, at the time that the photo was snapped, was pointed north down the creek.  The dark area to the critter's left is the base of the large oak tree.  With the camera pointed down the creek, the sky would have been visible over the critter's right shoulder.  I do not believe that the camera was tilted; that is, the camera was more or less level on its transverse axis.  It may have had the lens pointed upward or downward.

There is just one problem: the striations in the bark in the photo are not vertical as on the trunk of the tree but angled downward from left to right as they are on the large root pointed out above.  If the critter was standing next to that root, it could not have been much more than 24 inches tall!  A large Beaver???  But the critter may not have been standing next to that root: it may have been standing closer to the camera.  If the critter was close to the camera, if the camera was angled just right, it could have caught the critter and the root in a perspective that makes the critter and the root appear to be the same size.  (Remember that photo of the Texas Jack Rabbit wherein the hung-up Rabbit looks as big as the man with the skinning knife.  That picture was taken with the Jack Rabbit much closer to the camera than the man but with the point of the man's knife lined up perfectly with the much closer Jack Rabbit.)

On the day that these pictures were taken, it was cold--note the clothing--and I did not think that my camera was functioning properly.  We made attempts to duplicate the image using F.M. next to the tree, but we did not really get a good duplication.  We curtailed the picture taking and looked for a warm place. 

I made one intriguing observation: There is a natural "switchback" route up out of the creek to the field.  Just to the right of F.M. in Photo Four, the creek bank is only a few feet above the creek bed.  If the reports of how Big Feet can step over fences and leap up embankments are true, one would have no trouble coming up out of the creek at this point.  Now look at Photo two. One of the big hairy guys could, after reaching F.M.'s level with ease, walk north toward the large oak tree, circle around the tree, and walk back south to B.M.'s level--which would put it at the edge of the field.  With the amount of leaf cover on the ground as there was when I was there, it could do so without leaving much in the way of tracks.

If B.M. or someone else is interested in this site, I would suggest placing a game camera on the east side of the creek pointed at this natural "switchback" up out of the creek on its west side--and then stay away from the locale as much as possible.  This during times that the creek is low.  No tellin' what might show up on a roll of film!!!

I remain where I was with respect to B.M.'s photo: I can't say it is a Big Foot.  I can't say that it isn't.  It might be a Beaver.  But it might be one of the big hairy guys.   





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Re: is there any where
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2007, 07:43:07 AM »
More pics will follow on this as I was there last Sunday PM and took a series of photos (from the creek) of the oak tree to the left of Harrington (2nd pic) and it may well illustrate a rather different perspective as it relates to where the camera actually was and it's attitude when the original picture was snapped.  They are being developed and will be posted up in a few days.

It's a shame BM didn't post up the frames before/after the "BF" pic.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2007, 09:55:03 AM »
You slam the guy constantly yet you are hanging out on his land?
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2007, 10:17:53 AM »
You slam the guy constantly yet you are hanging out on his land?

Geez, Terrence must be in Olympic athlete condition with all the exercise he apparently gets "jumping" to conclusions and "running" folks down?  ::)

For the record, I was NOT on BM's "land" last weekend.
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2007, 02:09:50 PM »
You mean jumping to conclusions like assuming that a giant hair covered ape that has never been killed,found dead,photographed or filmed is living in your back yard?Or maybe you mean jumping to conclusions like the one you  made when you decided my names is Terrance?My name is Cole and Im Positive my conclusion was based on the post with the pics saying they were taken on BMs land and you said you were just there.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2007, 02:35:43 AM »
My apologies to Terrence for downgrading him.  :(

BTW just where did I state I was on BM's "land"?

IMHO, you ass/u/me that was the case.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2007, 05:38:04 AM »
From an outsider looking in, it's easy to read.....


"More pics will follow on this as I was there last Sunday PM and took a series of photos (from the creek) of the oak tree to the left of Harrington (2nd pic) and it may well illustrate a rather different perspective as it relates to where the camera actually was and it's attitude when the original picture was snapped.  They are being developed and will be posted up in a few days."
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2007, 09:47:22 AM »
"The Lord God [Almighty] have mercy!"

Oolagah Lake was some 10 to 12 feet up last Sunday.
When Oolagah Lake is up, Spencer Creek becomes a free-flowing stream up past Bulletmaker's place.
A free-flowing stream is, according to T's.g., Oklahoma's definition of a navigable waterway.
Being in a boat on a navigable waterway is not trespassing--as long as you don't get on the bank.
T's.g. has a "duck canoe."
T's.g., as I've said before, keeps up with lake levels and such.
'Nuff said.

But a question I've posed in another place has not been answered:
Can Big Feet swim?
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2007, 03:22:47 PM »
The Lord God [Almighty] have mercy!

I just received an E-mail from Bulletmaker.
He requested that I enter his "correction" of the above post.
To be a navigable waterway, he said, the stream must be a "continuously flowing stream."
B.M. said he checked the law on this a couple of years ago.
High water, he said, does not make a stream a "continuously flowing stream."
The key word here is "continuously."

Given all this discussion of high water, I ask again:
Can Big Feet swim?

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2007, 05:15:29 PM »
So let me get this straight,even in a conoe its TRESSPASSING?
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2007, 07:11:57 AM »
Per Paul Moore with the ODWC: a navigable waterway (in Oklahoma) is one with a "free flowing current" which criteria Spencer creek meets as it is not a private impoundment.  The key is when there's enough water to float a watercraft because the requirement is to not disembark onto private ground w/o permission from the landowner. 
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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2007, 04:59:32 PM »
Seems as though my last 2 posts here were either lost to cyberspace or deleted, what gives??? POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: is there any where
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2007, 05:04:02 PM »
Lotsa posts have disappeared on this thread. If the personal attacks and name calling don't stop the thread will. I'm really getting tired of having to watch it constantly.


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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2007, 11:00:02 AM »
I've made a couple of sight modifications to my last two posts--which modifications were designed to make it clear that the information on trespassing in the first of those two came from T's.g. and that the information on trespassing in the second of those two came from B.M. Having done time in law enforcement and private security, I could supply some information on traspassing, but I would rather see T's.g.'s pictures and talk about them than to talk about trespassing. I hope everyone heeds Graybeard's above admonition.

Incidentally, my sympathy to B.M.'s wife on her loss of the little Dachshund that she had had for many years.
I knew that little low-slung dog.  She was a friend of mine, and I'll miss her the next time I'm at B.M.'s place.
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2007, 02:30:42 PM »
What's somewhat ironic is these (upcoming) pictures may well shed new light (pro or con) on this controversy as they were taken at the base of the actual tree the gamecam was attached to and not the one referenced in your (R.F.) series of pics.

Ray Ford, be careful when straddling the fence (by posting via proxy for BM) as you know what often gets snagged should a slip occur.  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2007, 06:07:33 AM »
T's.g.,

Been there and done that: have had "you know what" snagged on several occasions. Remember, I pastored churches for 22 years.  But I still like to stay friends with everyone--if they'll let me!

Concerning which tree was "the actual tree," as I have noted above, B.M. had some uncertainity about which tree the game camera was on, and, as I have noted above, I seem to remember, from the time that we all looked at the site on the creek bank, that the tree pointed out at that time was a larger, straighter tree than the one referenced in the above pictures. That makes me think that you are right about which tree was "the actual tree." That is one reason that I am looking forward to seeing your pictures.

Incidentally, the greater distance between the large oak tree and the camera tree might explain our inability to get the right perspective to more closely duplicate the picture that B.M. has. I know that you have a different idea about the orientation of the camera than I do. That is one more reason that I am looking forward to your picture post. My mind can be changed once in a while--rare occasions. 

And incidentally, B.M., was the original negative/picture cropped to get the image that you have? If so, an uncropped print of the original might be of help.  I am aware that you can't reply on this thread, but you have my E-mail address.
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« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2007, 09:54:15 AM »
I'm REALLY not interested in ANY more quotes from BM here on this site. He wore out his welcome big time in the personal attacks not just of me but of my family that he doesn't even know. He crossed a line one just DOES NOT CROSS in those attacks and he can NEVER EVER again be welcome here nor can any comments of his. I want to be VERY CLEAR on that point.


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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2007, 05:22:24 AM »


The above is one more of the pictures that I took at the same time as those in my May 24, 2007, post.  In it, I posed F.M. by the large oak tree to, among other things, illustrate how a photo could capture an image of a "critter" with the dark of the oak tree on the left and blue sky on the right. But it also illustrates the difficulty that I had in duplicating the Spencer Creek Image. (That's what I have decided to start calling the B.M. picture.) To take this photo, I held my camera horizontal--not tilted.

To partially explain Nonya's following post, a friend of mine, using his computer, posted this picture for me this morning with the words "Explanation to follow." He could not post the picture without some text. I'm still not having much luck posting the photos myself.  My intent was to add the "explanation" when I got back to my own computer. This is a mondification of his post. I have one other picture that I will try to get up.  No, F.M. is not a Big Foot--not real or otherwise. Actually, he wears a quite normal size shoe and lives no where near Gander Mountain.
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