Author Topic: Anyone tried PRs Variflame Adapter? (Read 2167 times)

deerandduck · « **on:** October 31, 2006, 02:08:03 AM »

Has anyone tried the Precision Rifle's variflame adapter? From their website, its a modified 209 primer that accepts a small pistol (or rifle) primer. The 209 shell is reusable up to 50 times (they say). They seem to imply that this will improve accuracy..... maybe.

Just curious if anyone is using this? Right before the season is not the time to be changing things..... I'm shooting a TC omega with 100 gr loose 777, with 240 XTP (.452) with black sabots. Its already pretty accurate, at 50 yds, 3 shots almost touching.

deerandduck

Biff Mayhem · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2006, 04:45:10 AM »

I would suggest the new Winchester Triple Se7en 209 primers instead. Relieves the same-whatever ills you are experiencing - that you failed to mention here. If your main issue is a crud ring, use a bore brush for swabbing with larger patches. Make sure no oils, lubes or gun solvents are present while shooting. Swab with liquids like alcohol or window/windshield cleaners more often than before.

deerandduck · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2006, 07:08:16 AM »

Thanks, actually no problems. I currently use the original Win 209 primers and after every shot, I do a patch with #13 cleaner, then a dry patch. I can shoot all day if needed.
This Variflame adapter is sort of similiar to the 25 ACP conversion that lots of folks seem to be trying. Except you do not have to buy modified plugs and other gun parts. Only the modified 209 primers. Seems a simplier solution.....

The folks at Precision did an article on how using this with an Omega made the gun more consistant, thus more accurate. Don't remember the whole story, but involved the old 209 primer having so much ignition power that it moved the powder around before the powder ignited. Thus, it gave a flyer every now and then. This new system uses a small pistol primer (like a 25 ACP) and thus this problem is eliminated.

Just interested if anyone had tried it yet.

Biff Mayhem · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2006, 08:03:04 AM »

Don't believe everything you read with purse-strings attached... well that's my motto when trying to get an education in this sport.

Also don't believe a magazine, novel or online reviewer/one man's opinion on rifles, accessories and components. You would be surprised how often they change their mind about something - later finding out that the reason their opinion changed was due to an endorsement contract they made with the product managers.

The best reviews are right here from posters like you and me. Take all that other stuff with a grain of salt

slayer · « **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2006, 02:33:37 PM »

I use the Variflame with Winchester small pistol primers, it works great!! I use 100 gr Goex FFG and a T/C 470 gr Maxi Hunter. Very accurate out to 100 yards and a very clean breach. Jack.

geezer7691 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2006, 09:17:04 PM »

Here's my .02.
I bought the veri-flame set-up plus ten extra "primer holder thingies" to the tune of about thirty bucks @ Cabela's. I bought a hundred each sm pistol, sm pistol mag, sm rifle and sm rifle mag primers. I loaded the veri-flame "thingies" w/five of each. Off I went, to realize drastically improved accuracy and the virtual elimination of the dread T7 crud-ring.
I found it hard to discern the benefits as the #$%&*%$ rifle only went off about every third time I dropped the hammer. When the gun did fire the "thingy" stuck in the primer pocket about every other time on the first "loading" and two of three successful ignitions if the "thingy" had been re-loaded.
I shoot a Pro-Hunter Encore. The breech plug is very long and as noted on another post, quite cavernous right up to the flash hole. Maybe the Small Rifle or Pistol primers dont have the fire to carry the spark that far? I shoot loose 2f T7. Perhaps these baby primers are not hot enough to light this notoriously hard to light powder? It could be that my primer pocket is under-sized?
However, when I use a Winchester 209 there is a wonderfull cloud of white smoke, a booming report, and a very noticeable shove EVERY TIME. ( and the spent primer practically falls out)
I have nothing against the PR people but I hope this will save someone thirty dollars and alot of headaches. HOWEVER if you must try the veri-flame system, send me a SASE and I will with all due haste send you mine!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the primers too if you want them)

sundowner · « **Reply #6 on:** November 03, 2006, 01:43:37 AM »

Use them in both my Encore and Omega they work great 1" groups at 100 yards . I use the small rifle primer in them you don't what to use mag primers then you are pushing them to hard . I had very little crud ring and no blow back .
Charlie

Flatshooter · « **Reply #7 on:** November 03, 2006, 02:55:48 AM »

I started using them last year with 100 grs of T7 loose and had not one problem. I did notice less flyers, but only if I shoot +20 rounds at the range in one setting. Regardless, I did also like the theory and had no problems, until this season. I was in the process of building our new home and living in two different rentals throughout most of this calendar year. I got lazy and started using T7 pellets and wouldnt you know it my T/C Black Diamond started delay firing. Thanks to the great response I receieved here, the problem was not [enough flame getting to the pellets. Funny, just what I was trying to stay away from. I am sure when I go back to loose powder I will no longer have this problem.

slayer · « **Reply #8 on:** November 03, 2006, 04:41:35 AM »

Quote from: geezer7691 on November 02, 2006, 09:17:04 PM

Here's my .02.
I bought the veri-flame set-up plus ten extra "primer holder thingies" to the tune of about thirty bucks @ Cabela's. I bought a hundred each sm pistol, sm pistol mag, sm rifle and sm rifle mag primers. I loaded the veri-flame "thingies" w/five of each. Off I went, to realize drastically improved accuracy and the virtual elimination of the dread T7 crud-ring.
I found it hard to discern the benefits as the #$%&*%$ rifle only went off about every third time I dropped the hammer. When the gun did fire the "thingy" stuck in the primer pocket about every other time on the first "loading" and two of three successful ignitions if the "thingy" had been re-loaded.
I shoot a Pro-Hunter Encore. The breech plug is very long and as noted on another post, quite cavernous right up to the flash hole. Maybe the Small Rifle or Pistol primers dont have the fire to carry the spark that far? I shoot loose 2f T7. Perhaps these baby primers are not hot enough to light this notoriously hard to light powder? It could be that my primer pocket is under-sized?
However, when I use a Winchester 209 there is a wonderfull cloud of white smoke, a booming report, and a very noticeable shove EVERY TIME. ( and the spent primer practically falls out)
I have nothing against the PR people but I hope this will save someone thirty dollars and alot of headaches. HOWEVER if you must try the veri-flame system, send me a SASE and I will with all due haste send you mine!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the primers too if you want them)

Hello, I PM`d you and would like the Vari-Flame adaptors and primers if you are still offering

Thanks-Jack.

geezer7691 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:04:24 AM »

Jack,

Got the PM. Offer stands. How the hell do I reply?!?!?!?! Sorry VERY new to this.

gary0529 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2006, 10:29:50 AM »

Using the VariFlame adapter with great success.
Was going to go with the .25 breech plug conversion but this looked simpler and I still have the easy opprotunity to drop in a T7 primer just in case I don't have the "special" VariFlames immediately available
Cannot really say that accuracy was increased but it still shoots inside 1 inch at 100 yards the really noticable thing is a huge reduction of crud. I would estimate it is about half of what iI get with the Triple 7 primers and a world of difference from using the regular 209's.
Can easily reload numerous times without so much as running a patch down after each shot.
Have tried T7, American Pioneer and stick powder from both makers with the same relative reduction of crap.
All in all, I like the concept of the small rifle primer as an ignition source for my Omega.
Just my 2 cents.

slayer · « **Reply #11 on:** November 03, 2006, 02:12:58 PM »

Quote from: geezer7691 on November 03, 2006, 09:04:24 AM

Jack,

Got the PM. Offer stands. How the hell do I reply?!?!?!?! Sorry VERY new to this.

Geezer, look up in the top left of the page for your PM`s, then click on the PM and then on Reply. If you want, send me your email address or phone # if that makes it easier for ya :)Thanks-Jack.

geezer7691 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 03, 2006, 04:52:53 PM »

Jack,

There's no Reply button. Perhaps I'm too new to the Board? Send me another PM w/your address and or phone # and I'll just send you the $*%&^@( things. I'm really hesitant to send them to you, but it looks like you know what you are getting into. BTW, what gun(s) do you shoot. Smokers that is.

Busta · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2006, 06:06:55 PM »

geezer7691,

You need 5 posts under your belt to be able to send PM's. This feature is built in to keep spammers at bay. Just post a couple more times and you will be a full fledged member.

By the way, that was a very nice offer you made, hope your rewarded ten fold.

slayer · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2006, 01:14:01 AM »

I agree, very nice indeed

I shoot an NEF Sidekick and already use the Variflame system and love it. when you send me yours, I will load them all up and have them ready for the range or feild!! Ya, just do a couple more posts and we can PM each other then. I have done deals on here with a few guys, you won`t get beat I assure you. Here is my email if you feel more comfortable: jackgraner@yahoo.com Thanks-Jack.

slayer · « **Reply #15 on:** November 04, 2006, 01:19:20 AM »

Quote from: geezer7691 on November 03, 2006, 04:52:53 PM

Jack,

There's no Reply button. Perhaps I'm too new to the Board? Send me another PM w/your address and or phone # and I'll just send you the $*%&^@( things. I'm really hesitant to send them to you, but it looks like you know what you are getting into. BTW, what gun(s) do you shoot. Smokers that is.

Oh man, where too start

T/C Hawken .50 Flint 31 inch 1:66 roundball barrel
T/C Renegade .50 Caplock/GM .32 caplock barrel also
T/C New Engalnder 12 gauge smoothbore caplock
NEF Sidekick .50 break open
Knight LK-93 .50 inline percussion

Jack

geezer7691 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 04, 2006, 05:17:49 AM »

Busta,

Thanks for the kind words. I think I'll like it here.

geezer7691 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 04, 2006, 05:21:39 AM »

Jack,

Talk to me brother. I need to go to the post office and I'd like to do the two birds thing. BTW I think this is #5 so I'll try to PM

slayer · « **Reply #18 on:** November 04, 2006, 08:26:29 AM »

Hi Geezer

I replied to your email, sorry I took so long, was at cub scouts with my son. Thanks-Jack.

snicker · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2006, 02:58:42 AM »

I've got a set of these and can't seem to get the small rifle primer deep enough. They sort of stick up a little high. My son tried them in his Omega and the action was hard to close and left a mark on the primer. I've tried different bases from hard wood to steel and even used a hammer to try and seat them deeper. So what's the trick to this? Do you do any prep to the adapters before priming?

mk2217 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2006, 04:59:11 PM »

Bought the kit a few months ago and decided to try it today. It was a no go for me. I shoot a Traditions Pursuit Pro and while useing the 209 adapter and a small rifle primer I could not get my action to lock closed. I guess my action is just too tight for it to work in my gun.

bubba · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2006, 12:54:18 AM »

I had trouble using it in my traditions persuit also, but my problem was ignition. They closed up fine but would not go off. Had no problem with 209's. I have the veriflame because it was cheaper than buying a breech plug for all my guns. Other then the persuit, I have no problems. Works great in my encore omega and my new cva optima elite. No crud ring to deal with and they are as accurate as they can get. I shoot loose triple 7 in all my guns and varying projectiles depending on the gun

slayer · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2006, 01:32:19 AM »

Wow, I am suprised at the varying problems you are having with these. They seem taylor made for the Sidekick. Yes, they do seat a little high, but I get instant ignition with either real blackpowder or pyrodex. If anyone else doesn`t want theirs, I would love to have them as I do alot of range time experimenting with my Sidekick and that would help having a bunch preloaded with the small pistol primers

Jack.

sundowner · « **Reply #23 on:** November 08, 2006, 02:33:08 AM »

Quote from: mk2217 on November 06, 2006, 04:59:11 PM

Bought the kit a few months ago and decided to try it today. It was a no go for me. I shoot a Traditions Pursuit Pro and while useing the 209 adapter and a small rifle primer I could not get my action to lock closed. I guess my action is just too tight for it to work in my gun.

I had the same problem on one or two of my first 10 adapters , just file the small end a little to make them fit and they should work great . Some of the 209 adapters where not finished as they should have been .
Charlie

burnt3d · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2007, 02:41:58 AM »

is the variflame safe? a guy at scheels told me it was a small pipe bomd ready to explode. so, is the variflame worth the money or not?

eye shot · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2007, 08:01:14 AM »

First I have not tried the Variflame, but did a little makeshift test sml. rifle primers vs. Win. 209 T7 primers. I drilled out two used 209's inserted sml. rifle primers. I then fired them threw my Sidekick, they produced about 2" of flame out the end of the barrel. I then fired two Win. 209 T7 Primers, no flame out the end of the barrel. I'm sticking with the T7 primers because they got rid of my crud ring and also getting good groups. I also believe that the T7 primers are not much stonger than sml. rifle primers or even as strong. Just think if sml. primers where so great wy do most ML makers still use 209's?