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« on: April 18, 2003, 11:59:20 PM »
Gents I'm going to be moving to Alaska soon, military (Elmendorf AB), and I'm looking for all the help I can get.  I know it is just another greenhorn coming up to over crowd one of the last few place still left to spoil.  I honestly have no intentions on spoiling anything.  Rather I would honestly like to add to the community.  I just love the outdoors!!! :-)   I have hunted in the Midwest, Idaho, Montana, and Germany.  It is always hard moving so much, being the new kid on the block, What it and a few years here & there has taught me is that the experts have lived there and know the right way to do things and there experiance is hard earned.  I 'm sincerly asking for any advice on getting started the right way.  Thanks for lessoning to the rablings of an old cuss.  Old Moss
Best regards, be safe, and keep your powder dry!
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2003, 05:44:46 AM »
You will find that everyone one here will be willing to help you.  We already have one member from the base, Matt, that is probably bear hunting this weekend.  

Just let us know what you would like to know and someone will help you out.  Alaska is a great place to be but you need help like this to eliminate the bad hunting and fishing spots from the good ones.  It is also a lot safer having the advice of others up here.  This is a little different hunting and you have to be careful.

Fire away with the questions and welcome to Graybeard Outdoors! :D
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2003, 08:39:15 AM »
Old Moss,
Guten Morgen! Wie geht's?
Good to hear from you. Rest assured those of us in Alaska that slipped in ahead of you look forward to answering any questions you might have and sharing those "pearls of wisdom" you bring from afar! This is a good site and the overall temperament you see here is more typical of most Alaskans! Heck, even Graybeard is an "honorary Alaskan!" :eek:  :)
We look forward to "gewohnlich nebst sie!"
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2003, 12:55:48 PM »
Old Moss,

Fell free to shoot me a private e-mail and I'll be sure you get started right.  I'm also at Elmendorf as Dave says...and I'm making it my mission to make darned nearly every goofy cheechako mistake there is so you won't have to.

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2003, 06:52:24 AM »
:grin:  Thanks, you have been a real big help just by making me feel welcome.  Nice to meet you Matt,  my email here in Germany is jblawsonis JerryLet me start with a few sarter questions:
     1.  I've heared that a pair of rugged hip or chest waders are a must. True or not?
     2.  I'm not the wealthest hunter so except for a rare hard saved for guided hunt every few years I usually like to hunt on my own or with a few good friends.  I've found this a lot more enjoyable any way.  I'm really not big on Trophys (I wont turn one down if I get the chance) but really just like to hunt (meat and hide).  I figure my favorite hunting is for predators, second will be for moose and black bear a chance for bird hunting is always great.  If I get a chance to go for Brown bear would be great but I know that it is one of the harder permits to get.  Im not young and athletic enough to go for sheep or goat.  I'm trying to keep my expectations realalistic.  Think a few of these hunts might be possible?
     3.  I well have a 4x4 truck (no ATV or snowmobile yet).  I'm not a road hunter but is there a chance for short weekend type hunting?   I was told to really be able to hunt you have to get back and away from the roads and towns and that at least a 5-7 day hunt is the only way to go.  I'm very willing to set-up a road side base camp and then hike a bit for a week or so, but Unkle Sam doesn't always cooperate with a lot of free time.  What is the types of hunting I can expect for the species I listed and the area I'll be in?  Can a hunter with only a 4x4 truck and two legs hunt in alaska?
      4.  Snow shoes Yes / No ?   I'm really debating on getting another canoe sold our old one.  Would this be another option or is the water to big for just a canoe?  How hard is it to get a bush pilot to fly one into good hunting and pick you up again? (cost?)  
     5.  The state law for not wasting any of the animal harvested is no problem, that was taught to me by my grandfather and father ever since I can remember.  
  :wink:   Well I'm being long winded enough sorry for the long questions.  Thanks again for the help.
Best regards, be safe, and keep your powder dry!
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2003, 07:56:45 AM »
Old Moss,

 :D I just sent you a private e-mail.  I included my home/work e-mail address too in case you need any work/base/PCS related questions.

I'll let the sourdoughs the tell you about the hunting...I'm more into hiking around with a gun :wink:
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2003, 08:38:51 AM »
1. I've heared that a pair of rugged hip or chest waders are a must. True or not? Yes, not neoprene though.  Regular Lacrosse will work, I have hip waders and use them moose hunting, duck, and getting in/out of the boat.

2. I'm not the wealthest hunter so except for a rare hard saved for guided hunt every few years I usually like to hunt on my own or with a few good friends. I've found this a lot more enjoyable any way. I'm really not big on Trophys (I wont turn one down if I get the chance) but really just like to hunt (meat and hide). I figure my favorite hunting is for predators, second will be for moose and black bear a chance for bird hunting is always great. If I get a chance to go for Brown bear would be great but I know that it is one of the harder permits to get. Im not young and athletic enough to go for sheep or goat. I'm trying to keep my expectations realalistic. Think a few of these hunts might be possible? Yes they are.  Lots of ptargiman and ducks.  You will have to wait one year for grizz/goats as you will need a guide otherwise. Depending on where you hunt grizz a permit may not be needed.
3. I well have a 4x4 truck (no ATV or snowmobile yet). I'm not a road hunter but is there a chance for short weekend type hunting? I was told to really be able to hunt you have to get back and away from the roads and towns and that at least a 5-7 day hunt is the only way to go. I'm very willing to set-up a road side base camp and then hike a bit for a week or so, but Unkle Sam doesn't always cooperate with a lot of free time. What is the types of hunting I can expect for the species I listed and the area I'll be in?Can a hunter with only a 4x4 truck and two legs hunt in alaska?You can hunt the road system but a guided hunt to remote areas may be more productive. You really need to meet other hunters and have them familurize you with the areas and such.  It is a great help as is forums like this.
4. Snow shoes Yes / No ? I'm really debating on getting another canoe sold our old one. Would this be another optionYes  or is the water to big for just a canoe? How hard is it to get a bush pilot to fly one into good hunting and pick you up again? (cost?) http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/
5. The state law for not wasting any of the animal harvested is no problem, that was taught to me by my grandfather and father ever since I can remember. You have to be very careful here, this law can you get you into trouble even if you try your best. Well I'm being long winded enough sorry for the long questions. Long winded is good.  We have a lot of mountains here! :) Thanks again for the help.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2003, 08:43:58 AM »
Bearhuntr,  Guten tack unt Waidmansheil   Das Gute.  Was ist los?  Now that's about the extint of my German without getting the dictionary out.  All i can say is the Jaegers here in Germany are super.  I have learned a great deal from them.  Hunting Sau and Reh is a lot of fun.  I've hunted quit a bit for Fuchs and am very anxious to hunt for fox and wolf in Alaska.  Thanks again all
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2003, 11:19:03 AM »
The opportunities in the state are great if you have the time and money to access them.  I think the biggest shock to hunters coming up is that being a resident basically just saves you the non res tags and a plain ticket, but other then that, it can be very exspensive to get to productive areas for big game.

A 4X4 is good for use on the roads, as many recognized roads can be rough gravel affairs.  There aren't many options for 4 wheeling in the state, at least that I know of.  Road hunting isn't a bad thing, as it is the common access for most hunters, and you can get as far back in as you can hike.  There are quite a few areas you can get back into with a canoe.  If you bow hunt, you can hunt caribou off the road in the Brooks Range, but it is a very long drive from Anchorage.

Ankle fit hippers are a must, snowsnoes have limited, though make for good excercise when the skiing conditions are poor.  A canoe is nice to have, do a web search for Kenai National Wildlife Refuge, a great place to visit a few hours from Elmendorf.  There are also many lakes in and around Anchorage with Rainbow trout and Northern Pike, with long summer days, you can get a suprising amount of fishing in on weekdays.

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2003, 11:32:26 AM »
I wish I was "new to Alaska".  Heck, I would even be willing to be old in Alaska :(
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2003, 10:03:39 PM »
For a LOT of info about hunting and fishing in Alaska try the Department of Fish and Game's web site - there's a ton of info.

   http://www.state.ak.us/adfg/adfghome.htm
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2003, 08:08:43 AM »
Thanks everyone, been a big help.  Dand thanks that is a good web site I've gotten a lot info from there.  So hunting can be tough where ever you go, wouldn't be hunting if it weren't.  So how about the next question.

     1.  Do I have to worry about private property a lot or is there enough State / Federal land to wonder around on.  I'm also very partial to just having some where to get out and away, do a little hiking / fishing / plinking / hunting if the game is presents it's self (legally and in season of course).  (I'm very careful about getting lost, been up on the mountain after dark spent a night or two that wasn't part of the plan. Not what I call fun.)  My kids and I do love to do imprompt to camping though, love to just grab a couple of tarps and sleeping bags and head out just for over night or for a weekend.  
     2.  Are shooting ranges (public types) available in the area?  I love to shoot, for fun and competatively,  but I prefer to shoot in not so public of an area like shooting ranges.  Is Alaska very restrictive about shooting on open public land?  I know when I was in Idaho and Calif.  There were old gravel pits or rock quarries where shooting was very safe but far cheaper and far less crowded.  (I'm very safe when I shoot)  I know that the State police can be helpful with info on safe and legal places to shoot (if the are pro-gun).
     3.  For big game I understand that it may take a little work on getting to where the game is at, but what about varmint  / predator hunting?  I've kept cabin fever and those pesky hunting withdrawl grimlins at bay by getting out and giving the smaller critters a run for their money.  By chance is that predator hunting a little easier and maybe closer to home a proposition?  and some one mentioned upland birds / ducks?
     4.  I hunt and fish by the rules period!!!  But I ain't no young'n either.  Are the fish and Game boys friend or foe.  I'm only out to make friends and if I need to watch my Ps & Qs extra close, need to just introduce my self and make it known I'm a good guy and not any trouble, or just plain steer clear of them I'll do it.
     Thanks again Gents, talk with ya'll later
Best regards, be safe, and keep your powder dry!
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2003, 08:25:29 AM »
1. Do I have to worry about private property..........there is enough land that you should not have to worry.  You need to be more respectful of native lands and native rights.  Some of their land is marked and some not.  If in doubt..ask someone.  Much of the Fed. is marked along the roadway.

I camp everywhere.  Just pull off and set up and have never been bothered by anyone.  That is one great thing about AK,  you can camp about anywhere.

A GPS is helpful, more so than a compass I think.  Get a simple one like a Garmin Erek.

2. Are shooting ranges (public types) available in the area?  There are shooting areas around......  Rabbit Creek in Anchorage, Valdez has a range, in and outdoor, Fairbanks.... Remember to police yourself if in other areas as teat will probably get you in more trouble faster.

3. Yes ducks and coyotes and wolfs oh my.

4. I hunt and fish by the rules period!!! But I ain't no young'n either. Are the fish and Game boys friend or foe........   I hate to say it but if your hunting keep yourself legal. I have only had bad experiences witht the game people even though I was doing everthing within what I thought was the rules.  I was in a native village once and left some meet on a caribou as the elders in the village had instructed me to do as a native custom.  The Fed's don't believe in native customs and I had to remove more meat by their standards.  There are horror stories of guys that have tried to follow the laws up here to the best of their ability and have been screwed.   "We need to get the Fed's out of the state."

Anything else? I would have made this simpler to read but I only have a Mac at work and it is a pile of moose dung.
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2003, 10:21:31 AM »
Old Moss,

Military, after watching a 20 minute video, can shoot on a 400 yd range on Ft Richardson.  It's a great deal.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2003, 08:27:31 AM »
Daveinthebush, You know I have heard, if you take one of those Mac computers and stuff them full of old donuts and fish heads, set them out on the side of a mountain they actually make a pretty good bear bait set.  :-D   You know that was another question I was going to ask, I have the utmost respect for the native alsakan culture and really want to learn and follow customs as much as possible.  Any tips or recommendations would be appreciated.  Are non-natives ever welcome on their Land?  
     Being respectfull of the land "period" is very important to me and my family.  Any time we camp, hunt, or fish we try to leave the area better than we found it!!! I will obey the law religously, but steer clear of the feds.
     Matt sounds like a good deal at Fort Rich.  for shooting.  

     I really can't wait to get up there :-)  You Gents have sure been friendly, I hope some day I can repay the kindness.

     I'm going to get a GPS as soon as I pick up a Laser range finder.    

     Ducks, coyotes, and wolfs oh my.   There ain't none of them butt ugly fly'in monkey's up there I hope.  :)  
     This might get a debat going.  I owen (for big game) a 338 wm, a 300 wm, and a 9.3x62mm I keep telling myself I don't need anything bigger, but man do I want a 375H&H.  I agree 30-06 would be plenty except for big bears, but I got addicted to weapons along time ago.  Are guns & ammo prices high up there?

Thanks again
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2003, 09:38:19 AM »
You can buy guns at the BX or downtown (no tax!!!).  

If you're thinking FG O' housing on base let me know via e-mail to work and I'll send you some digital photos.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2003, 05:47:45 PM »
If you intend to access lands owned by the Native Corporations, some require you to get a permit.  There are some reserved easements that connect public land across native land to public land.  The state's fish and game website has a page on there that gives contacts for the native corporations.  There's quite a bit of info on the web about where their lands are, but you can get good maps from the state of Alaska or Bureau of Land Management that shows where those lands are located.  Some allow hunting and some don't.  Do not get caught trespassing or hunting without permission, they take it very seriously, as well they should.

Think about it this way though.  There is about 370 million acres in Alaska (more than twice the size of Texas), we don't know for sure because a lot of it has never been surveyed.  About 67% is under control of the Federal Government (National Parks, Preserves, Refugees, National Forests, etc...).  About 20% is owned by the State of Alaska or roughly about 105 million acres.  Roughly 12% are Native Corp lands (about 44 million acres).  The other 1% (or just less than) is available for private ownership.  Now, excluding the parks and unhuntable federal lands and Native corp lands, that still leaves something 330,000 square MILES of huntable public land.  Finding a place to hunt without trespassing is pretty easy provided you do a little homework.

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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2003, 06:21:14 PM »
Like I said before, great site and friendly people.  True Alaskans will never let you down.

Mention calibers in AK and you are going to get a lot of replys.  The .338 is a standard up here as well as the .375. The 9.62 is a good European round that will also work .  The .300 Winny should be great for caribou, moose and deer.  Might sound like overkill for deer, but what do you want leaning agains the tree behind you with your hands all bloody and something brown is around.  Many deer hunters overgun just in case. Any but the .300 will do unless you really piss something big and brown off up close and personnal.  

Handguns???? Conterversal topic.  My own feeling is that I feel more secure having something that is constantly on my hip instead of leaning against a tree. Actually for bear protection I like an 870 with 2, 3" mag steel BB's followed by three 3" 1 3/8 oz. 12 gauge Brenneke slugs.

There are a lot of old posts in the Alaska Forum and Dabigmoose listed most of the native corporations somewhere there.  I have been in three native villages and have never had a problem.  The people were great and if you respect them, their land and traditions you should never have a problem.
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2003, 08:13:21 AM »
Old Moss,  what Matt says about tax free guns here is good info but do not think that the BX has the best price.  Keep an eye on Fred Meyers, Walmart and the rest of the "Big Stores".  If you are like me when I got here three plus years ago I ran into a guy that works part time at Fred Meyers (a lot of military do).  Well seeing the employees get a 10% discount all the time and double discount once a quarter I found a deal on a gun and had an employee buy it for me.  Bottom line is I picked up a Ruger M77 Stainless and synthetic 338 w/mounts  for under $300.  They even threw in a gun lock.
  What Daveinthe bush says about "Real Alaskans" will prove to be true in most evey case.  There is lots to learn from them and most are willing to share (as you see here).  They will not divulge their honey holes but can point you in the right direction to start your homework.  They make great sounding boards for a sanity check because most have done (or know someone who has done) anything worth doing here.

PS I can't call myself a real Alaskan so I WILL show you my honey holes.  Don't have many but all you need is a good ATV, well sighted rifle and a sharp knife.  By the way, I'm ARMY but don't hold that against me.

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2003, 10:55:54 PM »
Thanks again folks, I new Alaska was where I belonged.  You'll have been great.  

      Bear,  I have been at Landstuhl Germany working side by side with Army, don't ever apologize, Hooah!

      Finding my own Honey holes is half the fun -  :grin:  But I will take all the advice and help I can get.

      Daveinthebush - I don't ever go out in the wilds anywhere without something on my hip.  
      Speaking of such things I think I've come up with maybe one of the best carry guns for tramp'in in the bush.  Ruger Super Redhawk 480 / 454, with a 4" bbl, or a Ruger Super Blackhawk (Hunter model) with a 4 3/4" model 5 shot 480.  I lean twords the Super Blackhawk.   Wish Ruger would make one.

Thanks again!   :D
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2003, 07:32:55 AM »
This might get a debat going. I owen (for big game) a 338 wm, a 300 wm, and a 9.3x62mm I keep telling myself I don't need anything bigger, but man do I want a 375H&H. I agree 30-06 would be plenty except for big bears,

back in the early '70s, my ex- step-father-inlaw was a bear hunter.  He had black, grizzly, brown and polar bear hides all over the house.  He shot them all with a .300 Win mag.  Someone talked him into getting a .338 once, but after shooting 1/2 box of shells through it he went back to the .300.  Some of the bears he shot were thinking of turning him into lunch, but he never felt undergunned with the .300.

The Forest Service requires a qualified rifleman on every crew working in big bear country.  The minimum caliber allowed is .30-06 with 220 gr. bullets.  Standard issue is either a 12 ga. with slugs or the .375 mag.  I felt the later was a whole lot pleasenter to shoot.  I have been told that it is gentler on the body than the .338, though I haven't had the experience to say yea or nay.

So there you go.  Lots of angry bears have been dispatched over the years with the .30-06, but it is not the caliber the guides use for back up.  Heck, the old .30-30 has done it.  Shot placement is probably the crucial factor.

I'm rambling.  Good luck on your move up.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2003, 09:39:27 AM »
If you want something bigger then your 338 or 9.3X62, then make the jump to a 416, a 375 really isn't that much bigger, it is a large medium bore as opposed to the 338 that is on the smaller size of medium bores.  The 416 is a big bore, or you could always go bigger, I sold my 458 lott to build a 500 Jeffrey  :-D

As far as respecting natives, there lands and culuters, that is a very, very complex issue.  There are about a dozen recognized different native cultures throughout the state.  No disrespect intended, but I think the most important thing to realize is that there is no mystic harmonic link between the natives and the land, there are just folks like everyone else, there are some really fine people, and some folks you would have no desire to associate with.  There is a Native Herritage center just off the base, and it is worth visiting.  

As far as handguns, I used to carry a 44 mag super blackhawk, but replaced with with a 480 SRH, which I really, really like.  I carried a shotgun for the first year, but have realized that shotguns are a poor choice for bear protection.  If you're going to pack a long gun, make it a big gun, as you can only expect to get off one shot, and it best be something powerful enough to stop or turn a bear with marginal shot, which a shotgun can't do reliably.

There are certainly many times that a long gun just isn't practicle, but a pistol is easily carried at all times.  I packed my 480 for at least a month in the woods last year, and with a good shoulder rig, I never noticed the weight.

Another range option is Rabbit Creek in Anchorage, it's a state range with pistol, rifle and 22 rf ranges, for all of $50 a year.

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2003, 10:25:14 AM »
In my .35 Whelen which is the same case as the 06, if I shoot the same weight bullet as the 06, the recoil will be less because of the larger bore allowing the gases to escape differently.

The .338 is the same, loaded to the same velocity and bullet weight, the felt recoil will be less in the .35.  It is more of a push than a sharp shove.

Don't let the big bores scare you, it's a different kind of recoil if ya know what I mean.  My .35 only gets irratating  250+ grains.
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2003, 09:31:57 AM »
Daveinthebush, I couldn't agree with you more.  My 9.3 is a pussy cat to shoot even with 286 grs.  I would say that my least favorite gun/caliber to shoot was a ruger #1 in 300 weatherby mag.  no recoil pad - that was the most irritating recoil I've ever felt.  The 300 win mag has a sharper recoil than the 338, but at the bench I don't shoot over a 24 or so rounds of heavy 338s either.

     Paul H - "If you want something bigger then your 338 or 9.3X62, then make the jump to a 416, a 375 really isn't that much bigger"
     
      You are abs olutly right but I have priced a single box of AMMO for the 416 rigby (which I also drool after) and at $100+ for a box of 20 (and reloading components ain't much cheaper)  The 375 will do more than I ever need it to.  But like I said I know I don't needed it, I was just rambling on about some of my "I want's".  
     Of course I could just go with a Marlin in 444, 45-70, or 450M  and be good to go.  

   Also if I may politly disagree, a man who could stay cool-headed, and I'm not saying that would be me.  But if he could and  had a 870 Rem shotgun loaded with 3 slugs.  I think he would be outfitted OK.  But I'm not an expert, just my 2cts. :-)
     
   >  "As far as respecting natives, there lands and culuters, that is a very, very complex issue. There are about a dozen recognized different native cultures throughout the state. No disrespect intended, but I think the most important thing to realize is that there is no mystic harmonic link between the natives and the land, there are just folks like everyone else, there are some really fine people, and some folks you would have no desire to associate with."  <
     I've lived, worked and hunted with Native Americans and you are absolutly right about - they are just people, some good / some not so good.  But those complex cultures (which I do very much respect) are not always waiting there with open arms, no disrespect.  And I would like to make sure I start things off on the right foot.    Sorry - I don't mean to waste so much board space.

     But I diegress (did I spell that right?)  :-D  Bear Baiting - I couldn't find on the Alaskan F&G webpg how often do you have to check the site?  Can a fellow with a busy job feasible bait for Black Bear?  Or is it better suited for me to wait and take a couple weeks off at a time?  I know I will start out with spot and stock.
Best regards, be safe, and keep your powder dry!
Thanks Old Moss

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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2003, 10:34:11 AM »
Here's some info on the bait stations from ADF&G.  http://www.state.ak.us/adfg/wildlife/region3/hunting/bearbait.htm

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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2003, 08:53:00 PM »
HERE IS THE LIST OF NATIVE CORPS it was Yukon Jack
that posted this the last time. BUT A couple of things Native land is private property they have a deed and ownership just like any one else
would on their home or ranch nothing complex or mystic about that.
Alaska native Indian culture is different around Anchorage and the heavily
populated areas on the road systems. There is a distinct difference
when you are out in the bush village areas hundreds of miles away
from any so called urbanization of modern conveniences or stature and you need help from the local villagers that you will be relying on for your survival if something goes horribly wrong with a boat, plane or bear
the locals will come and risk their lives to save the cheechako .The real Alaska you will find is out away from the big city and in most instances
sparsely populated its like going back in time a 100 or so years
and it is mystical to some because you will find you are a Alaskan
by your heart and spirit not what some perceive it as.

 

dabigmoose 8)
 

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One other thing is that even though there is a tremendous amount of public land that can be hunted without permit, Alaska Native Corporations own about 44 million acres here. Some allow hunting, some do not. Make sure you know where there properties are, trespass and taking game without permission can carry some huge fines. For more info, check out these web sites and contact the appropriate departments:

http://ahtna-inc.com/
http://www.aleutcorp.com/
http://www.asrc.com/
http://www.beringstraits.com/
http://www.bbnc.net/
http://www.calistacorp.com/
http://www.chugach-ak.com/
http://www.ciri.com/
http://www.doyon.com/
http://www.koniag.com/
http://www.nana.com/
http://www.sealaska.com/

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« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2003, 06:25:27 AM »
dabigmoose,
           
           Thanks for the links, they will be very helpfull,  My heart and spirit have been yearning for Alaska since forever.  This cheechako will try to learn as much as possible and stay out of trouble.  I hope my foot steps and my family's foot steps take us farther into the bush than into the city.

     Yukon Jack,

           Thanks, that web link answered many of my questions.
Best regards, be safe, and keep your powder dry!
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« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2003, 07:02:51 AM »
:D Glad to help
 Alaskans are said to be a different breed. No mater what race you are ,
either you have it or never get it for some reason. Some are born here or live here all their lives and never are  a true Alaskan .
 There seems to be some kind of
lost pedigree that this great place brings out in all of us as
a lost brother hood that you feel  as you meet another that has the kindred spirit of the Wild.These type of people seem to
share the same traits the tranquility of the land  and the appreciation of what it provides even though one mistake could kill you in seconds !
I would rather be hunting or fishing even if dont kill
or catch something just being able  partake of it is
a great pleasure and honor.The people that do get it
dont seem  to have any problems at all fitting in no matter what color or culture.WELCOME TO ALASKA BROTHER YOU HEADED DOWN THE CORRECT PATH.
DABIGMOOSE 8)

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2003, 11:08:02 AM »
Old Moss,

If you have the nerves to make good shots with slugs, a single projectile, then you'd be much better off with your 338 win mag, as it will be much more effective then the slugs.  Slugs performance on bears is too inconsistant for me to trust my life to them.  

As far as the 416, I'd assumed you handloaded, the factory ammo is certainly very expspensive, heck for the price of one factory box, you could get a Lee anniversary kit and a set of dies.

I definately agree with dabigmoose about true Alaskans.  There are two types of people in the state, those that couldn't live anywhere else, and those that can't wait to leave.  It is a land of extremes, you have to humble yourself as you realize how small and weak you are in such powerful country.  We've lived here six years, and I still have the same wonderment and love for the land I did when we first visited 9 years ago.  

As an example of how great it is up here, even in Anchorage, I managed to catch a limit of rainbow trout during my lunch hour yesterday.  There are many small lakes around town, and most of them are stocked.  I got skunked today, so there are good days and bad.  A small canoe is an inexspensive, and great way to get out and about.  Do a web search for Kenai National Wildlife Refuge and check out the swanson river and canoe lake canoe trails.  You can paddle back as few lakes, or as many as you like and see some real wilderness just a few hours out of town.

Anyhow, drop a line when you get into town evdotek@(remove)hotmail.com

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« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2003, 11:38:50 PM »
dabigmoose,

          Thanks, and I do hope our trails cross each other soon.   :D

     Paul H,  

           I do reload standard and wildcat rounds.  I guess components are a bit cheaper in Alaska, maybe a 416 might just be in my future.  Thanks

     Counting the days - 81    :wink:
Best regards, be safe, and keep your powder dry!
Thanks Old Moss