GLOCK safety?

[masek77]

If I do the following I will be able to safely shoot reloaded ammo in my G22 yes or no?

1) Switch to a Storm Lake barrel.
2) Use jacketed bullets only.
3) Use quality load data specifically designed for my pistol and caliber.
4) Exercise a minimum of caution by checking spent shell casings and keeping the barrel clean and free of dirt.

It seems to me that if people used aftermarket barrels and jacketed bullets, reloaded sensibly and kept their pistols in good operating condition then there would be no such thing as Kb in Glocks. Ive read about several KB's in Glocks and in several (if not the majority of) cases the user was using lead bullets in the original barrel. Thats when they would admit to it which seems to be rare. Most owners simply feign ignorance by saying they cant remember what kind of bullet and what load they were using.

Think about it guys. If even 1/100th of 1 percent of Glocks blew up the gun control lobby would be all over it demanding that these guns be removed, FOR OUR PROTECTION.

[HuntingGuy]

I don't see anything wrong with it..  As long as you are sensible about what you are shooting, you will be fine.

[Kaimi]

As long as you take ALL precautions in reloading I see no problems.BUT, if you should happen to blow one up your warranty is out the window.

Aloha, Kaimi

[specops]

If you study most of the KBs it appears most are caused by 2 factors, overload (factory or handload) and unsupported brass.  This last has been caused by cartridge manufacture problems (as in Federals case) and failure to seat before ignition.  Some say this is a fault in the Glock but I've seen the same thing happen in 1911s both in 38 Super and 45.  Ramped barrels were part of the solution for 38 Super trying to make Major Power factor with hot loads.  But dirty barrels / chambers, ovesize or deformed bullets (lead and jacketed) and roll crimps have also led to the same problem.  Glocks were designed for governments and law enfocement neither of which normally use lead bullet reloads.  In your case with the .40 Smith already operating at high pressure any mistake compounds.  White box .40 isn't as cheap as 9mm or 45 yet but the prices are coming down ($15.00 for a 100 pack at WallyWorld).  Putting in an aftermarket barrel voids your warranty and unless you are shooting 1000s of rounds per year its hard to save much money anymore reloading practice ammo  for autos and you would never carry reloads in a CCW gun.

Good Luck and Good Shooting,

Specops

[Savage]

Even with lower ammo costs, there is still a significant savings in reloading.Go to a rifled barrel, load your lead bullets at reasonable pressures, and shoot the crap out of it! It's wise to cull any range brass that has bulged cases. Well---------gotta go load some .45s.
Savage

[6Shooter]

I reload all the time for my M31 357SIG never a problem. I only use jacketed bullets and I load my fun loads down to just a hair hotter than 9mm. I believe around 1050 to 1150fps.
 I reload my self-defence loads right around factory specs. 1350 to 1400fps 124gr bullets.
A previous poster said you would never carry reloads for CCW,  well, I disagree. I trust my loads much more than factory as I take care in loading them.
 You should test your store bought ammo sometime as I have and you will see that it's not always good. Winchester white box ammo in any caliber was terrible for all kinds of flaws but, their QC has gotten much better and I have gotten some lately and was fine but you should test your ammo for loose bullets, primers sticking out too far, different calibers in the same box, you might be surprised.
 Glock says not only do not use reloaded ammo in their guns but, also no lead bullets because of the rifling in the barrels fills up with lead after shooting awhile and causes high pressure leading to KB.
So....reload and pay attention to what your doing at all times while your reloading and you shouldn't have a bit of trouble.

[specops]

6Shooter,

Carrying reloads in a CCW is an open invite to any dirt bag defense attorney or for that matter a district attorney looking to fry your butt for shooting a scum bag no matter how rightous the shoot.  It has nothing to do with RELIABILITY but everything to do with LIABILITY.  Do a search on Massad Ayoob and read some of the case files he has worked on for the last 15-20 years of trying to get innocent people off the hook for things just like that.  You will be both amazed and sickened.

I would also challenge you to show any significant advantage in uniformity or reliability between your handloads and any of todays commerical defense ammo.  Off brand white box I would agree with you.  I have heard stories of problems with Winchester, Remington and Federal white box but have yet to see one or see one documented so I would still offer the same challenge to you for those brands.

Masek77,

If you are going to do the last 3 items on your list is there a reason to switch to an aftermarket barrel?


Specops 

 

Specops

[6Shooter]

6Shooter,

Carrying reloads in a CCW is an open invite to any dirt bag defense attorney or for that matter a district attorney looking to fry your butt for shooting a scum bag no matter how rightous the shoot.  It has nothing to do with RELIABILITY but everything to do with LIABILITY.  Do a search on Massad Ayoob and read some of the case files he has worked on for the last 15-20 years of trying to get innocent people off the hook for things just like that.  You will be both amazed and sickened.

I would also challenge you to show any significant advantage in uniformity or reliability between your handloads and any of todays commerical defense ammo.  Off brand white box I would agree with you.  I have heard stories of problems with Winchester, Remington and Federal white box but have yet to see one or see one documented so I would still offer the same challenge to you for those brands.

Masek77,

If you are going to do the last 3 items on your list is there a reason to switch to an aftermarket barrel?

You don't have to invite unscrupulous officers of the court to do something as unscrupulous as trying to make polictical hay out of a self-defence shooting whether it's a ''legal'' killing or not. They do that everyday. People think that because they live in the USA that they will have justice


Specops 

 

Specops

You don't have to invite unscrupulous officers of the court to do something as unscrupulous as trying to make polictical hay out of a self-defence shooting whether it's a ''legal'' killing or not. They do that everyday. People think that because they live in the USA that they will have justice and that's just not true. You just have a chance at it so.... I'm not concerned what the DA has to say about my choice of ammo. My concern is what works.
 I'm not a big fan of M. Ayoob. Not to pick on him, I don't pay much attention to any of the gun rag writers. They have a different agenda than I do.

As to your challenge, I surely could show you the light there if you'd like to come to my home but be prepared for unrelenting hospitality.
 I understand your thinking and this is not criticism of your post. It's just my opinion.

[specops]

6Shooter,

No offense taken.  I respect your opinion.  I sited Mas because he has been in the forefront of the legal and legislative battles for gun rights and especially CCW longer than about anybody else.  Right of choice is part of what makes this country great.  I believe a person should be responsible for their actions, unfortunately our civil judicial system doesn't. 

I'm a handloader too.  Mostly to tailor loads to a specific gun like whitetail loads for my M70 375 H&H.  I know it's overkill but that gun really fits me well and there are no reduced recoil loads on the market for it. 

God Bless and Happy Shooting

Specops

[jro45]

I reload for all my guns except shotguns because I don't save any money reloading shotgun shells any more. They're cheap enought. I have some reloads I use for home protection. I haven't practiced much them. I just shoot them off every now and again so the reload will be fresh. They shoot accurately enought.

[razdog76]

I might add that in addition to the hexagonal rifling (for lead bullets) Glock specifies no reloads, the chambers are oversize like that of SMLEs and #4 Enfields to enhance reliability.  Therefore the brass is worked more anyway, and in the .40 and .45 the case head does not have as much support. 

IMHO, since the .40 S&W is a higher pressure pistol cartridge, how many times do you want to work the case head, and especially with the potential of the exact same spot?