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Offline Blackie

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Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« on: November 11, 2006, 06:58:51 AM »
I am interested in making a modern rifle into a black powder shooter.

I currently shoot a Walker reproduction, cast balls and make my own black powder.
I do use some Pyrodex as well.

I would like to use a .416 Rigby as a black powder cartridge rifle and cast bullets and load for it.

Do any of you have any comments on this undertaking? 

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Re: Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2006, 07:32:53 AM »
Fill the case full of black powder and make sure and use a lube that is for black powder not smokeless, that is about all I can think of, like all BP rounds, leave no airspace between the bullet and the powder.

Let us know how it turns out.

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Re: Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2006, 03:04:19 PM »
I just looked in my CARTRIDGES OF THE WORLD.  I t looks like it might work.  Most BP rounds were straight.  Some were necked, but were considered "finicky".  (My personal thoughts are that, as the powder starts igniting it is pushing unburnt powder down the barrel.  If it has to choke it down???)

Doesn't look much different than .44-77 or .44-90.

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Re: Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2006, 01:56:32 PM »
There is no reason why it would not work. You probably needed play around w/ the primer, powder granulation, & lead/tin alloy to get where you want to go.

As one psoter stated, you'll need a BP- lube to keep the fouling soft.

You may already know this, but when done shooting decap & wash the BP residue out of the brass cases. Otherwise, the residue will weaken the brass & cause it to fail.

Many shooters dump the brass into a jar of soapy water @ the range. When home, de-cap & then was the cases w/ a brush & warm soapy water followed by 2 hot water rinses.  You need to decap & wash the cases as there is no way of removing the BP fouling from the primer pocket w/o removing the primer.

Seat the bullet &  the over-the-powder-wad so they do not protrude beyond the bottleneck. Otherwise, the wad will act as an obstruction & gas blow by can/will melt some of the bullet & cause leading.

Will this be a single shot or a bolt gun? Sounds like this migth be an interesting project.

The 44-77 the 44-90 aren’t even close. Per “Handloader’s Guide to Cartridge Conversion“:

The 416 Rigby case -- 2.90” long -- case capacity 132.56 grains of water.

The .44-77 Sharps & Rem -- 2.25” long -- 87.52 grains of water.

The 44-90 BN -- 2.44” long --  92.71 grains of water.

The 44-90 Rem St --2.60” long --  92.13 grains of water.

The 44-90 Sharps BN --2.63” long -- 102.57 grains of water.
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Re: Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2006, 04:43:08 PM »
Or, decap at the range, before dropping the brass into the jug.

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Re: Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2006, 05:17:19 AM »
Ray;  My intent was to compare shapes, not dimensions.  Did you mean that the wads should not be seated BELOW the bottleneck.  If so, I agree.

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Re: Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 05:28:48 AM »
Look at <goexpowder.com>  forums  blackpowder cartridge rifles  There are several threads concerning BP in modern cases.  "Flinter", responds to a question about 30 '06 with his experiences with 8 x 57R, on 6 Sep 06.  Go back a few pages and you will find a discussion about 30-30

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Re: Black powder cartridges in a modern rifle
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 07:13:30 AM »


The .416  Rigby should work okay.. Just remember that your powder must be right up to the base of the bullet.  Also find a lube for BPCR.  You lube grooves should be wide for BP lube.  One you figure on a cast bullet to use, unless of course your going to use paper patch bullets, you could have someone like Steve Brooks make you a bullet mold for the .416 Rigby.

Personally I would rather run a straight walled case for BPCR but to each his own.