Author Topic: The religion of peace (Read 1971 times)

azshooter · « **on:** November 18, 2006, 07:06:14 AM »

Did anyone see this on CNN. It makes you wonder how long it will be before there is an all out war between Islam and the free world. The hate they spew is incredible.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8

Brett · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2006, 09:26:04 AM »

Hmmm... Somehow I'm just not feeling the love... are you?

Almtnman · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2006, 10:33:16 AM »

I thought the war had already started, just not a lot of people have noticed or they are turning a deaf ear.

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2006, 04:53:38 PM »

That war is here, right now, we just haven't gone all out yet. We are in a war, it's islam against the world. Good, vs evil. The sooner the world wakes up and sees these Godless, subhuman scum for the evil sons of satan they are, the better off we'll be. POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2006, 07:40:47 PM »

1 John 4:20

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen. And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also.

williamlayton · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2006, 01:00:26 AM »

I would agree, Nabob, well put.
I do not have need to hate to protect however.
I can fear and not hate.
Hate brings nothing to the plate in any discussion or conflict other than hate.
Blessings

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2006, 04:10:09 AM »

nabob. I guess you were referring to me. If you think that God expects us to turn a blind eye to, or ignore certain death and danger, you are mistaken. You can't seem to grasp the difference between hate, and being aware of the dangers surrounding the whole world. The goal of islam was, is, and always will be, the anhilation of every man, woman, and child that refuse to go along with their cult. POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2006, 04:18:15 AM »

I comprehend just fine, powderman. I don't think you comprehend Scripture, though.

Self defense is one thing. Hating the enemy is another. Don't invoke God when spewing your hatred. God has nothing to do with that.

powderman · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2006, 03:54:37 PM »

nabob. Just stating the facts. Islam IS a cancer, you can't seem to comprehend that. I'm not spewing hatred, just pointing out the facts and seeing things as they really are. POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2006, 10:05:41 PM »

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Godless, subhuman scum for the evil sons of satan they are,

Somehow, I'm not feeling the love, powderman.

Pretty ironic to find a post expressing such virulent hatred in a thread talking about how THEY are the ones doing all the hate, don't you think?

Have a look at the first post. The reaction to what the Muslims are saying is "the hate they spew is incredible." Then you come along and do the same thing. You don't find that pretty ironic? I certainly do.

I comprehend just fine that Islam is a threat to which we must respond. What you don't seem to comprehend is that while doing that, I don't hate Muslims or Islam. Why? Because someone I respect said not to. That person was God.

I'm pretty sure they also believe that they are "telling it like it is" and "just being realistic." Reminds me of the old Pogo statement "We has met the enemy and he is us."

It isn't an issue for me until you bring God into it, though. Don't try to cloak your blind hatred of people by dressing it up as somehow sanctioned by God. When you express such white-heat hatred as you have, you don't have God any more than they do. You've become just like them. When you hate, you lose God and become just as Godless as they are.

Try to differentiate between someone who disagrees with you on the issue of the threat Islam poses and someone who disagrees with you on your hatred of Muslims. And please, don't pass your hatred off as anything but the same sort of blind and dehumanizing opinion as they might have. When I see their hatred and your own, I see two peas in a pod, as alike to each other as twins. BOTH of you are dangers to the rest of us, not just Islam.

WylieKy · « **Reply #10 on:** November 20, 2006, 08:13:11 AM »

I feel about Islam as I do about a favorite dog gone rabid. Eventhough I have love in my heart for my fellow brothers, most are a danger to me and mine and that danger needs to be addressed and eliminated. We should shed a tear for every person killed in war, on both sides, as they are all children of God. No man is the spawn of Satan, but have been infected and misled, and should be pittied. If called I will go to War, and I will not once hesitate to end a threat, but I will not end a life with hate in my heart, but with sorrow for a life and soul lost for eternity.

WylieKy

nabob · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2006, 08:39:14 AM »

I feel pretty much the same way, WylieKy. To my way of thinking, you have a very Christian attitude. Address the threat and pray for those that pose it. Hate doesn't do anyone any good. It hurts no one but one's self.

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2006, 11:36:36 AM »

WYLIEKY. I do feel sorry for some of them, especially the children. They teach their children to hate all non muslims virtually from birth. They have been lied to all of their life. They put their faith in the rantings of a former warlord. Mohamed was a lot of things, a prophet of God was not one of them. They are all Gods children, same as you, and me, but have been led astray by islam, a false religion, designed by a false prophet. What kind of a man would jump for joy when Jewish children are murdered??? A muslim. What kind of a man would strap explosives on his own child, point him towards a bus load of children and tell him he will go straight to paradise for murdering innocents?? A muslim. They believe that they will be rewarded by going to paradise and will have all of their wants and needs taken care of by 72 virgins, another lie. These suicide bombers see death as you or I would see opening a door. In a way it does, imagine their horror when they open their eyes in hell. God does not reward murderers. It's sad to see entire nations led down the wrong road. I called them satans disciples because they are doing his work, and don't even know it. I can think of no religion that claims to be peaceful, then tells you they will kill you to prove it.
nabob. Anything I say you will make into something else not intended. I still say you voted for gore and kerry. POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2006, 01:46:38 PM »

I dunno, powderman. Viewing people as "Godless, subhuman scum" and "evil sons of Satan" doesn't seem to leave a whole lot twisting necessary for me to do. You've done it yourself, to yourself.

powderman · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2006, 04:27:32 PM »

nabob. They pray to a God of hate, since there is but one God, their idea of God does not exist, therefore they are Godless. Humans don't butcher children and brag about it, therefore they are subhuman. They happily do the devils work, therefore they are disciples of satan. Seems pretty plain to me. Trust them if you want, placate them, adopt their ways if you want. Like I said earlier, I bet ya voted for gore and kerry. POWDERMAN.

Sourdough · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2006, 06:06:55 PM »

Most Americians, expecially religious one, can not understand the depth of hatred that the moslum world has for Americia. This is universal, not just in Iraq, Iran, or Afganistan. This is all the muslims world wide. In Pakistan, Saudi, Syria, Jordan, India, Indonesia, the Phallipians, world wide. Their Koran tells them to go forth and convert the Infadels, if they do not convert kill them. The koran also tell them the best way to get to heaven is to die in a jehad, holy war. To die killing infadels that refuse to convert is the highest honor one can acheive. They are taught this from the time they are little children, and they believe it with all their heart. So until we are ready to kill men, women, and children we are doomed to lose this war. They are at war against us wheather we admit it or not. You and every Americian are their targets. Time will tell.

nabob · « **Reply #16 on:** November 20, 2006, 11:14:48 PM »

powderman, when you spew your hatred of them, you also pray to a God of hate. I don't trust them or you. You are the one calling them "Godless, subhuman scum" and "evil sons of Satan", not me. When you forget the lesson of 1 John, you've joined them more completely than anyone else could.

It seems as if in your world, if you can somehow find a way to denigrate someone who disagrees with you, you won't have to examine just how unChristian and proMuslim your own viewpoint is. Why "proMuslim"? Because you have adopted their tactics of hate substituting for any sort of thought. That is the point of the very first post in this thread and here you are, doing the same thing right back at them. What makes you any different than they are? You've declared them to be "Godless, subhuman scum" and "evil sons of Satan".

That's what they say about us. That's what leads them to justify atrocities against us. And here you are, doing the same thing. That makes you pretty much the same as them, powderman. You both seem to be praying to the same God and following the same creed - one based on hate.

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** November 21, 2006, 03:26:35 AM »

SOURDOUGH. Well said Sir, I agree. I've lost 2 neices to that Godless cult. They were raised right, in a Christian home with loving parents. They got mixed up with some of the Godless ones. They renounced Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour and turned their back on their family. I have no use or compassion for islam. It hurts to see them going down the path to hell.
nabob. You DID vote for gore and kerry, DIDN'T YOU?

? POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #18 on:** November 21, 2006, 03:58:47 AM »

Nope. I vote Libertarian.

Does that often work for you, when you cannot answer the challenge made to your beliefs? Trying to change the subject so you can find a way to not have to think about what someone is saying?

Good luck with that.

How about answering the challenge I've made? Namely, that your spewing of hatred on this forum makes you just as Godless as the Muslims who do the same?

powderman · « **Reply #19 on:** November 21, 2006, 04:16:12 PM »

nabob. I'm not sure what your challenge is, or what you mean, but that's not unusual. I believe your objective is to stir the pot, but I'll play. God is loving, caring, and all powerful. He is not a God of hatred and death, as they see him. God and allah are one and the same. The problem is, they see God through the rantings of satans disciple mohamed. Satan tried to kill Jesus Christ while he lived on this earth, he failed. 600 years later he saw mohamed and determined to use him to destroy everything Christ stood for and built. He built an army for the sole purpose of murdering Christians, and all who would not subscribe to his madness. Hundreds of thousands died at his hand. Mohamed was a rapist, murderer, child molester, etc, but certainly not a prophet of God. Mohamed even married a 6 year old child, must have been a real exciting honeymoon. Mohamed delighted in torturing and beheading his captives right in front of their families. The women he desired he would rape the same day after they watched their husbands tortured and murdered. All of Gods prophets performed miracles, healed the sick, raised the dead, etc. Their mohamed did none of these things because he was NOT of God, but satan. This is who they follow, not God. I don't know why I even bothered with this, either you won't understand it, or you'll make it into something other than what it is. You seem to write your own script anyway. God doesn't tell these scum to kill babies, to blow up school buses, to fly planes into buidings, to capture and behead innocents. Thats the devils work, and they seem to enjoy it. POWDERMAN.

30-30man · « **Reply #20 on:** November 21, 2006, 04:56:38 PM »

That's the problem in America. We try too hard to be politically correct and tolerant. I wonder if people would be tolerant of Hitler's ideas today? They are not much different than Islam. They believe that people who are different should be murdered. We'd probably have Hilter day or Hilter on TV. Why not, the homosexuals have this too. Maybe Hilter would write a book like OJ, If I killed 100,000,000 people, this is how I did it. People need to vent. Vent on Powderman!

nabob · « **Reply #21 on:** November 21, 2006, 09:18:06 PM »

I've stated what my challenge to your opinion is, powderman. I'll restate it for you - when you spew your hatred of the "Godless, subhuman scum" who are "evil sons of Satan", you've lost God and are no longer the Christian you purport to be. 1 John says that such a person cannot claim to love God without being a liar. I agree, God is loving, caring and all powerful. You lose him when you start spewing your hatred of Muslims. Hatred of one's fellow man is also the Devil's work, powderman, and you do it when you spew your hatred across this forum.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend that I'm not disagreeing with you about the danger Islam poses. I'm disagreeing with you about hating Muslims. There's a big difference, as WylieKy has already shown.

powderman · « **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2006, 03:23:02 AM »

nabob. Do you love satan?

? That's what you are asking me to do. I believe I have answered your question, you just refuse to accept it.

nabob · « **Reply #23 on:** November 22, 2006, 04:17:35 AM »

Nope, you haven't.

All I'm asking you to do is to love God enough to do what he tells you to do in 1 Peter. You've refused. You've hemmed and hawed and found ways to equivocate and ask me what my voting preferences are, but you've steadfastly refused to do what God tells you to do: love your brother. As WylieKy says, that doesn't mean loving their sin or refusing to defend yourself. It doesn't mean that you have to view Islam as anything but a threat (it is a threat to us) or that you cannot defend yourself from that threat. It means letting go of the hate. You don't want to and have tried everything to avoid having to face that fact.

I love God enough to try to do what he tells me to do. You, a self-professed Christian, refuse.

So I ask you - do you love Satan? You seem to because you refuse to do what God asks you to do. When you do that, you do the work of the Devil, not the work of God.

That, ironically, is what you accuse Muslims of doing. Seems to me you are more like them than not. They and you both have substituted hate for reason.

WmRoy · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:35:41 AM »

As I always say.......... I do not hate Muslims (one should not hate any human being, as all are God's children) ........... I do however have no use for Islam...........

There is a difference, and all Christians should be able to understand just what I'm saying.

God Bless and have a great Thanksgiving............. remember it is just as much a Christian Holiday as Christmas and Easter.

WmRoy

powderman · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2006, 04:27:22 PM »

nabob. Think what you want, matters not to me. What I see and what you think are not the same, never will be. POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #26 on:** November 22, 2006, 07:24:38 PM »

Probably true. I try to follow what God says to do. I don't always make it, but I try.

I don't think you can say the same when it comes to Muslims. So what, right? They are just "Godless subhuman scum, evil sons of Satan". What's the big deal about thinking that about them?

Here's why:

1) It ain't Christian. You can't call yourself Christian and hate people. It's that simple.
2) That's the way THEY think and that sort of thinking justifies (to themselves) their actions when they blow up people. Thinking such as yours, if enough people do it, can lead to exactly the same atrocities being committed by us. Don't believe me? Well, there are a few Marines that decided to rape a Muslim girl and kill her family and her. Their defense? They had stopped thinking of Muslims as anything except subhuman scum. Yep, the same things you like to say here about Muslims is at the core of the defense for this action by our soldiers. It was at the core of My Lai, it was at the core of the rape of Nanking, China and at the core of nearly every war atrocity that I can think of. When you stop thinking of the enemy as human and start thinking of them as evil, things such as Abu Ghraib start happening. So I consider your way of thinking to be dangerous.
3) Hate does nothing but hurt the one who hates. Hate turns you from God, like 1 Peter says. Letting go of it lets you come back.

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2006, 03:44:54 AM »

I see no difference between the philistines of Davids day and the muslims of today. I hate no one, but do recognize a threat. They are comitted to the destruction of the Jews and Christianity, period, thats their sole purpose for being. The attrocities you named were terrible and inexcusable. There are bad people in all cultures and races, but terrorism and muslim seem to go hand in hand. God ordered the Israelites to utterly destroy entire nations. They worshiped idols and rejected God. Did he love them??? Of course he did, but they had rejected him and accepted the devils ways, much like islam today.
I don't love saddam, and I don't love osama, but I don't hate them either. Hating, and not loving are not the same thing. I doubt that David loved Goliath, and don't believe that God expected him to. Israel has done everything to placate the palestinians, hamas, hezbollah, etc. They are a thorn that should have been removed many years ago. The day will come when the Israel of old will rise up and there will no longer be a palestinian problem, their enemies will be destroyed.
I work for walmart and have to go to work, I'll check in later. We used to get 8 hours holiday pay+ the 8 hours for working Thanksgivivg day. Today I work 4 hours, I drive a 70 mile round trip, and they cut me 2 hours next week. That means I'm in effect driving 70 miles for 2 hours pay on Thanksgiving day.
I hope every one of you have a wonderful day, and don't forget to thank God for your bounty. POWDERMAN.

wncchester · « **Reply #28 on:** November 23, 2006, 04:16:40 AM »

In all the world's religions there is only one that teaches that it is a sacred duty to slay "un-believers"; Islam.

In all the world, there is only one culture that teaches its children to commit suicide to slay un-believers; Islam.

In ALL other cultures, the adlults place themselves between their children and danger. Not so with Islam. They encourage the most precious - to the rest of the world - people they have to make blood of others flow.

To recognise a culture for what it is doesn't require hate, it only requires enough intelligence to recognise evil where it exists. God didn't waste much time trying to love the Phillistines in the old testament, He knew the world would be a better place without them. Not that today's Islamics are strick descendants but they do still hold to the same kinds of "love for others" their forbearers had. And the world will never know peace so long as they hold to that mind set, and no amount of loving on our part will ever change it either.

Those few who do accept the gospel get changed, by God, and then they must fear for their lives from their own families! Changed individuals is possible, changing the dominate mind set of hatred and slaughter in their society is not.

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #29 on:** November 23, 2006, 05:23:40 AM »

New York, 3 October 1789

By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.

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