Alternative Rechamber for 44Mag

[quickdtoo]

The 44 Mag Max or "Mad Max" sounds like a nice alternative to the .445 Supermag.

Tim

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[safetysheriff]

quick'

how would that compare cost-wise for tooling and for brass with the .44/.454Casull which is a real thumper?

i'm not sure that you can beat the availability of .454 brass right now.

ss'   

[quickdtoo]

I'm sure the Casull brass would be cheaper than .356 Winchester, but it would also required a rebore since the Casull uses .452" bullets, not .430".....or .432" as the case may be!! Is the 44/454 Casull a wildcat, did a search on it, nothing? Of course, .452" bullets might work fine in the overbore .44Mags barrels!!

Tim

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[Ditchdigger]

From the measurement at the base of the web,that brass may work very well in the 445 supermag. My chamber  measures .460 (.006"over)at the web. Digger

[quickdtoo]

No more battle of the bulge!!

Tim

[Mac11700]

Digger...Why not use what they developed the 445SM in to begin with...



Brass would be a-lot cheaper...and you can have your dies opened up at the same time as you do your chamber...you would need a trim die of course to get the correct lenght...but would be fairly easy to do...

Mac

[Ditchdigger]

Mac,the 444 brass is .470 at the web .010" larger than the chamber measure's. I was going to trim some 444 brass,but it won't work. The 444 brass will go about 1.6" into the chamber and is a very snug fit.  Digger

[Mac11700]

Digger...I would true up the chamber a little ...then ream the dies for a good fit...Call Dave Kiff at Pacific Tool & Gauge.. 1-541-826-5808..tell him what you got for dimensions...and what you want to do...He can help...I don't think you'll be able to shoot 44mag ammo out of it after it's reamed out to fit the brass...so this might not be the best option for those wanting to do so...but it would certainly improve the chamber dimensions...and everything I've read on the developement of it...sure seems like the way to go...pretty impressive ballastics from it.....Is your bore size normal...or is it oversized too...? I forget..

Mac

[safetysheriff]

Is the 44/454 Casull a wildcat, did a search on it, nothing? Tim

quick'

in the same way they put a shoulder on a .44 mag' to create the .357/.44 Bain and Davis they've put a shoulder on the .454 and necked it down to take .44 mag' projectiles.   it's in the book of "Cartridges of the World".   it'll move a bullet with a lot of authority !

take care,

ss'   

[quickdtoo]

Thanks SS, my 1973 4th ed COTW doesn't even show the Casull, even as a wild cat!! Even tho it was developed in the 50s, it wasn't adopted by SAAMI until '98. Guess I need to buy a newer version, maybe I'll have the wifey pick a used one up at her used book store.

Tim

[knight0334]

Aren't they gonna have same problem with the 356w as the 444m has with case dimension at the web?  .471" on the 356 Winny.

Definitely isn't just a chamber lengthening job like going from 44mag to 445 supermag.

[Ditchdigger]

Mac,I've thought about cutting some 444 brass down the 445 mag length,and run it through the 44 mag sizing die,but I'm afraid of a stuck case when it goes over the web area(it would have to draw the thick part of the web down .010"). The 44 mag brass will also swell when fired in this chamber.The 445 brass seem's to hold up alright even after 4 or 5 reloadings.If NEF would just fix this on the new barrels they could sell alot more 44 mags.
My barrel bore checks out at .432" also,and the chamber is .460"when it should be .454".When you run the 445 reamer in the chamber it will not even touch the sides of the chamber. When mine was a 44 mag only,it shot best with the revolver load at max. Hope this helps.If I could find some brass with the proper deminsions (.460at the web) and a rimmed cartridge it would be a perfect situatiion.     Digger

[Mac11700]

I'd just get a reamer that would work with the 444m brass...and cut it back...No more swelled brass...but that's just me...I too wished they would make the chambers & bores better with the 44's...It would make life a-lot easier...

Mac

[Ditchdigger]

Mac,your idea is a sound one if you did'nt ever want to shoot 44 mag or 44 special's again,but thats the best part of the 445.Mine stills shoots the 44 mag ammo with the same results as before.If the bore's and chamber's were correct,it would be better than the 444 or 45 70 in terms of power and recoil combination.   Digger

[safetysheriff]

Thanks SS, my 1973 4th ed COTW doesn't even show the Casull,

Guess I need to buy a newer version,

maybe I'll have the wifey pick a used one up at her used book store.

Tim

Tim,

why not "get up off your wallet" and buy a new one ?    the guys/gals writing books have to make a living, too ! 

besides, with a new one YOU will be good for another 33 YEARS if my math is good at figurin' out HOW LONG ..........YOU.........had this one !

just a thought,

ss' 

[quickdtoo]

Nah, don't need a new one, just a newer one , used books are really cheap in comparison to new ones, specially soft backs, check em out sometime!! Powell's Bookstore in Portland is huge, they have had everything I've ever looked for, or more often, what I asked wifey to look for since she loves it there, she's always aspired to be a librarian, when she retires, she's gonna volunteer at the local library!!! Works for her..... and me!!

Tim

[safetysheriff]

Tim'

in columbus, ohio there's a bookstore on route 161 west of I-71 by a couple miles that sells reduced-priced books.......   I picked up a couple editions of Kelly and Jones' book "Hunting for Handgunners" at $1 each !     they'd been out of print a while, but they were un-used.  i paid the same/similar price for HandLoaders' Digests there in various editions that were newly out of a box.

i see other books that are going to a first-time buyer there as well; and they're good prices, too.

i don't know what the COTW previous editions would be like if you got one maybe 10 years old.

good hunting to you,

ss'