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Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« on: November 22, 2006, 08:39:11 AM »
I am in the market for my first bolt action rifle. I am left handed, which is why I've been shooting autos, levers and singles up until now. Being a lefty, my choices are somewhat limited. I would like to ask Savage fans why I should buy a Savage over a Ruger, Remington or Browning?

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2006, 10:33:49 AM »
My opinion is that Savage offers some of the best shootablility for the money.  I didn't say value, as I believe that other brands represent better values, in the broad sense.  Resale, finish, features, snob appeal may not be what you find in buying a Savage.

I feel that the quality at Remington has slipped to a point from which they can recover, but they are riding the remnants of their name and currently producing an inferior product.  That stock's deep glossy finish is window dressing on a coarsely belt-sanded, and stained chunk of pallet grade, or slightly better walnut.  The bluing is all fairly decent, but lacks the depth and richness of their products of old.  MY PRIMARY beef is their poor quality control on barrel fitting and chambering.  I've seen too many factory rifles brought to the range that couldn't be made competetive with ANY combination of loading components.  This was in 3 of 5 rifles bought by club members.  The cerrosafe confirmed that the chambers were hideously crooked. So crooked, in fact, that the cases HAD to be FL resized to fit back in the chamber again.  Three to four inch groups (7mm-08) at 100 yards was deemed "within tolerances" by Remington staff.  If that is all you need, good for you and your whitetail blasters.  I ask more of my rifles.  The Remington 700's are a platform from which many winning rifles have been built.  I'd consider them the 1911 of long-guns.  Over-the-counter though... I regret my purchase.

Browning makes decent products, that shoot well and look great, but they come at a price.  The fact that you are looking at Savage tells me that you've already ruled out the price of the Brownings.  They are up there with Kimber in quality.  Cha-ching!

Rugers are difficult to review.  They seem inconsistent to me.  One shoots very well, the next doesn't.   That said, I think that their worst products are only slightly below Remington's average.  Finish here is decent, but a lot of the complaints seem to stem from a stock's barrel channel that isn't true with the barrel and as such is putting tension on the bbl.  If the thing won't shoot, that seems to be the first place guys look.  I've never worked on one (bolt action, that is), like I have the Remington or the Savage.  Generally, they are a pretty decent value for the money.

You didn't mention Tikka.  In my opinion, they are the best value in accuracy, finish, resale and just about every other category.  If you are looking for off-the-rack perfection in a decent price range, these are tough to beat.

Savage has started to move the Amercan market forward.  Their Accutrigger innovation and it's acceptance let the other companies know that people are tired of lawyers setting up their rifles.  I regret that my silhouette rifle is not a Savage.  I bought a Remington thinking I was getting a great rifle.  Instead, I got a "platform" for building a great rifle.  Maybe, when I feel like it, I will dump an a$$load of money into it to make it shoot like everybody else's Remington that they've dumped an a$$load of money into.
Having just completed a bench gun on a Savage 11 action, I can say that they are a dream to work on.  Out of the box accuracy is acceptable. -My 11's orig .308Win was at about 1.5-1.75" at 100yds, which isn't too bad for a lighter barreled, NO load development kick-around rifle.  I was getting about the same with cast lead bullets, but the recoil was getting to me (196gr at 1850fps times 40 rounds per session was making me want more weight in the gun and lower velocity.  If you're looking at a heavier target rifle in the Savage, they are the best, hands down. You'll spend a LOT of money and not get the accuracy of the Savage.   My Savage 110 FP in 308 has given me 3-3.5" groups at 600yds, prone from a bipod.  This was in perfect wind conditions, and while rare, it can be repeated.  I've since installed a 20 minute angled scope base.  Next stop, 1000yds.
-When I get as good at reading the wind as I am at breaking it, I'll be one hell of a shooter.
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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2006, 11:12:17 AM »
That was a great post. Thanks for taking the time to be that indepth. Tikka could be an option now that I hear their LH guns are out on the market. I'll have to look into that option. I don't know what their caliber selection is for the lefty but will check. I haven't ruled out Browning due to price yet. I have just heard so many mixed thoughts on them. Half love them, half hate them. I was just kind of confused with that make.

I can't read the wind at all, so breaking it just comes natural.  ;D

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2006, 01:52:08 PM »
buy a browning, they are nicer guns

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2006, 04:51:27 PM »
I own two Savage left hand rifles (11FL in 7mm-08 and a 93GL in 22Mag)  and two Browning A-bolt left handers (25/06 Stainless Stalker, and a Micro Hunter in 22 Hornet).

The Brownings take a bit more time to find the optimum load, but are both are very accurate and pleasant to look at.  My Savages shoot extremley well and are"workhorse" rifles, not much to look at but they are very accurate and function fine.   

I have no plans to get rid of either my Savages or Brownings, but my next centerfire rifle will probably be another Browning. 



 
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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2006, 04:25:02 AM »
I withdraw my comments on the Brownings being overly expensive.  I did some price shopping on a few sites and that isn't really so anymore.  Apples to apples, they are priced nearly the same as a comparable Rem or Ruger.  When I was originally searching, they were 200-250 higher than any other apple.

It seems that you're shopping for a lefty...  I'm sorry to hear that.  Left handed bolts are a paradox.  If you're selling one, you feel like you are getting shafted because nobody wants one. >:(  If you are trying to buy one...Hey, I got one and you need it, you are suddenly paying too much.   :'(
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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2006, 09:15:17 AM »
Thanks for the great info.

Yes, lefties are a bit of a problem. I considered an RH bolt and just shoot it lefty for reasons of resale...but, what if I never sell it. I think that is why I'm having a hard time deciding. I might hang on to this one.

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2006, 02:05:40 PM »
I may be a little late, but would like to add my .02.

I hunt with Sako in heavy calibers, and own several Remingtons.
That said: I have two Savage 110 that are over 40 years old. They are not attractive and have low resale value. They are stronger than my Remingtons, they shoot 3 shots of most anything in 1" group, and they are inexpensive.

I recommend Savage if you are not trying to impress anyone, llooks is secondary, and money is short.
You can pick up good used ones very cheaply, although you probably will have to shop the forums with WTB ads to find lefties.

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2006, 10:56:15 AM »
My first bolt gun was a savage, it has been on a couple of hunts to Alaska and both times was the cheapest gun in camp.  At the end of the trip the animals I shot were just as dead as the ones shot with Sako's, Brownings, etc.  The guns are extremely acurate (many are used in field marksmanship competitions now) and I've never had a problem with the guns functioning.  Figure the accu-trigger into the purchase of the gun too, if the gun you buy does't have a user adjustable trigger you will need to spend another $40 or so at the gunsmith. Spend less money on the rifle and spend more on the scope you put atop it.  Just my opinion.

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2006, 02:31:09 PM »
You can not beat a  good, safe, strong and accurate field rifle.  if you put a ding or scratch a savage who cares but if you do the same to a $700 browning,  or sake you will not be happy. ANd how can you enjoy the hunting if you are worried about the rifle getting used?

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2006, 03:02:19 PM »
I have to admit that I was a skeptic on the qualilty of Savage for a long time.  I doted on my Remingtons, Rugers, Weatherbys, etc, until I bought a Savage for a "beater"  It is an all-weather outfit with scope, and Accu-trigger in 300 WSM.  It is now the most accurate sporting centerfire that I own, and I hunt with it all the tme.  I don't think that you can go wrong with a Savage, I just may suggest going with the Accutrigger (newer models).  This innovation really seems to improve overall handling and accuracy.  Use your savings on ammo and practice.  You will have to spend a lot more money to beat it in the accurcy department.

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2006, 03:17:19 PM »
All great points. I do want to USE my first bolt action. And, I am a little anal when it comes to scratches and dings. I suppose I would be more upset if I scratched a Browning VS. a Savage. A hunting rifle really is just a tool anyway.

Thanks for the great posts!!
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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2006, 09:00:20 PM »
Accu-trigger, accu-trigger, accu-trigger. It is the best safety invented since the Arisaka Type 38. If anything, other than a trigger squeeze trips the sear, the accutrigger will catch it before the firing pin gets anywhere near the primer. Take a look at my handle, and you might get an idea as to why I consider this the greatest thing since bread slicers.  ;D
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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2006, 09:36:17 AM »
I had a Stevens 110E for about 20 years.  It was my second rifle [my first was a J.C. Higgins from Sears that was stolen].  It had a walnut stained birchwood stock and pressed checkering.  Not the prettiest rifle on the block but it could shoot.  It was a "package" gun that came with a 4X scope which I quickly replaced with a Weaver 3x9.  My third bolt action was a Ruger 77 MkII.  It shot lousy groups so I sold it.

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2006, 10:40:05 AM »
This is a great topic which shows the true opinions of the great shooting sport.  I have rifles with most manufacturers names on them. I started my son and daughter out shooting Savage 110s in the famous 243 Win caliber. I bought the low cost package gun consisting of a light poly stock with factory mounts, scope and sling.  I felt these were perfect for the first time shooters who may slip a time or two into the snow or soft soil. Fine walnut with notable scratches and dings bring a tear to the eye of a true gun enthusiast. These great rifles of little cost have taken more whitetail deer, and bought more braging time in deer camp than any rifles I know. Neither of these two have ever seen a single round of store-bought ammunition and have been great success stories. I bought brand new factory brass and started from scratch. Both of these utility rifles shoot less than an inch groups all day long.  All I feed them is 100 grain corelockt bullets and IMR 4350.  Break them in properly and you'll have a lifelong friend. Since that time I have offered the kids fancier, more costly rifles only to have them decline the offer. 

If you want to upscale a nice Savage go to the new 14 or 114 in either the Euro or American Classic series.  These are nice selections from this old company.

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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2006, 11:39:07 AM »
After reading many posts like these about 1.5 years ago, I bought my first Savage rifle ...  a 10FP with an Accutrigger in .223. All I have done is replace the stock with a B&C stock from Midway. It is the finest shooting rifle I own with very small groups shot by multiple shooters. It is sweet. I cannot see how anyone can go wrong with a Savage. Please ... the resale value is the last thing I think about when I buy a firearm because I want a shooter first and foremost. If you get a shooter, you aren't going to sell it anyway. You put a few dings in a beautiful walnut stock and your resale value takes a beating anyway. I have finer rifles with beautiful wood ... but my Savage is the best shooter.

I must say I do not own any Brownings, Remington rifles, or Tikkas. A Tikka was second on my list 1.5 years ago and now it is first ... gotta try one in 7mm-08.
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Re: Why my first bolt action should be a Savage?
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2006, 07:18:36 AM »
accuracy,accutrigger,price!!!! having been an auto/lever/single shooter for a period of time, you may find that you do not care for bolt guns. with savage you will have an excellent shooter without hurting your wallet.
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