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Offline Sir Charles deMoutonBlack

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Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« on: November 22, 2006, 06:43:08 PM »
I have a Martini action that was formerly a .303 Sporter.  I want to make a mid-range target rifle in .375 Nitro Express.  Does anyone have any photos of such a piece, or descriptions I could go on?

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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2006, 08:13:52 AM »
Sir,
In the back issues of Gun Digest Annual there are often articles about this sort of thing. As I recall my limited exposure to British African History, the .303 Martini was originally .500/.450 and both cartridges were loaded with black powder. 500/450 is a rather large case. I don't exactly recall the .375 Nitro. Is that the .375 H&H with a rim? Obviously smokeless powder.  H&H ammo was not too high a pressured, about the same as .303 smokeless loads as I recall. Should be doable. For much greater specifics and names of people doing this sort of thing, The pictures in Gun Digest Annual should be much help. (I always lusted for a Martini Cadet... but alas, gone now... at my prices anyway.) luck

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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 04:35:29 PM »
Thanks for the post. 

.375 Flanged Nitro Express (2 1/2") is based on a lengthened .303 Brit case.  It is just a bit longer than the .303 - 375 wildcat.  Or you could picture it as a .35 WCF with a larger bullet. I plan on trying .30 US Krag cases.  My gunmaker is putting a 14' twist .375 barrel, 28" long, tapering to just under an inch at the muzzle.  I will try to get a pistolgripped stock on it.  I plan on trying the 335 gr Lyman bullet or the 311 grain RCBS.

You ar right.  Mine was formerly a .303 Brit military rifle, sporterized.  I have a .22 Cadet.  Great little rifle.  Maybe I can find a centre fire action someday.

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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2006, 01:16:29 PM »
The .375 Flanged Nitro 2 1/2" is very similar to our .38-72 cartridge, although it seems to have been loaded to a bit higher velocities than the .38-72 cartridge.
 I've seen some target rifles built on the old Martini action, mostly with heavy round barrels, although I've often wondered how a large octagon would look on this action? The pistol gripped variations had a custom built lever, which was bent and flattened to hug the front edge of the pistol grip, with a ball or button on the bottom extending slightly past the bottom of the grip. This makes a sleek design, and works great too.
 Most of these have had hard rubber buttplates, or checkered steel flat buttplates. Forearms were small schnabel style, although one I saw had a beavertail type that felt great, but looked out of place on the action type. Finely checkered delxue wood is common, and looks at home on these guns. Sights seem to be the biggest problem, as there's no tang to mount target style sights. Some of the Parker Hale, or other aftermarket Martini sights might be a good choice, or even a target style external adjustment scope, if your eyes are less cooperative like mine!
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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2006, 06:35:04 AM »
I have a martini in 38/56 Winchester with a Green Mountain octagon barrel on it ( 34 inches long ) and it looks fine. I have not stocked it yet with proper wood, using a military stock so I can shoot it. The 38/56 is a great cartridge but not a traditional round for the martini, but ammo is easily available from TEN-X.
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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 03:40:40 PM »
My barrel will be round, 28 " long.  Do you have problems loading?  I'm hoping I can get that long 335 Grain Lyman bullet into it.

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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2006, 04:46:11 AM »
Hi All,

     Just a small correction. The Martini was originally chambered for the Alexadra Henry .450 cartridge however this long cartridge with it's rolled brass case proved too fragile for military service so the .450 short chamber cartridge was developed later to be known as the .577/450.

      Good luck with your project and I look forward to seeing photos of the finished rifle  ;)

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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2006, 05:27:56 AM »
I'll try with the photos.  The barrel is being installed now.  I will order the wood after that.  I have the MVA #103 hunter that will work.  I will inlet a steel base on the wrist of the stock and mount the sight with machine screws on that.

Yep! you will get a report - sometime!

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Re: Martini Henry to Mid-range target rifle
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2006, 05:41:45 AM »
I believe if you check out some of the pictures on the Martini Henry Forum (http://p223.ezboard.com/fbritishmilitariaforumsfrm4.showMessage?topicID=406.topic. This topic in particular shows some of the sporting configurations of the MH.  You will see there my original Peabody Creedmoor, althought a long range, it is set up as a target rifle.

You should have no problem with the strength of the MH action as long as it is an original british issue or Nepal cache and not one of the Kyber specials that are being sold lately.