Author Topic: I'm VERY upset... (Read 1324 times)

hunteraz · « **on:** November 23, 2006, 06:15:51 PM »

Guys I need help.. i just got my handi so i start the cleaning and jb and all that then i go out to shoot i put the very first cartridge in it and the rifle will not close shut. so i open it and the cartridge will not come out either!!! i try several timese opening and closing it and nothing the thing is stuck. so i think about my situation.. i decide to hold the thing shut and shoot because if i was going to pry or push the thing out i didnt want it to fire. so it shoots fine and i was hopeing the cartridge might move from the shot but no it did not. so i take it back home and decide to try push it out with a cleaning rod.. not a budge and after several forceful pushes my cleaning rod bends and breaks!!! so then i tried prying it out with small screwdrivers from the back and all i got from that was two broken screwdrivers!!!! i am very upset from this experience and i was looking forward to getting a handi of my own and this HORRIBLE experience happens!!! i need advice guys... i dont know if i should call NEF and see what they say about it or just get my money back somehow because this has been a time and money consuming Frustration... so any ideas??

knight0334 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 23, 2006, 06:28:04 PM »

With live ammo, I prefer to use the hydro-pressure technique. Works great too for stuck empties.

Take the barrel off the receiver and stand it muzzle up. Find something to rest the breach on that has a hole big enuff to let the cartridge pop out.

Fill the barrel nearly full of oil or tranny fluid (I use vegi-oil). Then make a piston wad out of some rags, and stuff it into the muzzle. Then use a solid brass, copper or other soft metal rod that is only a few inches long to tap the piston wad down the barrel.

I've yet to see a stuck cartridge fail to come out by that means. ...even after breaking off cleaning rods and other stuff in the barrel.

cpj · « **Reply #2 on:** November 23, 2006, 07:06:21 PM »

What caliber is your handi? This might shed some light on things. Did you clean out all of the bore paste before firing? Did they stick before you tried the polishing? Was this factory ammo or reloads? If it was reloads, were they first full length sized before trying them on that particular gun?

Ummm, in my humble opinion, it is NEVER a good idea to force a LIVE round into the chamber of a gun. And it is an especially bad idea to hold the gun shut and fire it. One hours worth of labor for a gunsmith is cheaper than an extra hole in your head.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** November 23, 2006, 07:27:32 PM »

If this is your new .22-250, it should have an extractor, not an ejector, it sounds to me like the extractor mechanism is jammed or broken, I would call H&R as soon as they open Friday or Monday and ask that they cover shipping to them and have them fix it. This is the first problem of that nature I've read of, stuck brass happens with new Handis with ejectors regularly, but not with extractors, I have 2 of em, they work very well. Stuck brass with ejectors is always easy to free up, this doesn't sound like that at all. Here's their toll free number....(866)776-9292. They are usually real quick about returning warranty work, so it shouldn't take too long for them to fix it.

Tim

lik2hunt · « **Reply #4 on:** November 24, 2006, 01:57:38 AM »

What Quick said. Send the brass still stuck and all. They'll make it right.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 24, 2006, 05:14:09 AM »

Take the barrel off...get a appropriate cleaning rod...insert it into the barrel using a muzzle guide and knock the cartridge out.It won't matter if it's a live round or not...let the cartridge land on the carpet or a folded towel...you won't be hitting the primer...Push the extractor in and raise up and push down on the large pin on the lug...Does it extend and then retract? If it does it isn't broken but either a bad case or bad/dirty chamber...if it doesn't move...then the extractor is jammed or broken... I am willing to bet it's bad ammo...Did you flush the barrel and chamber out completely when you JB'd it?,,,You have to remove all traces of the compound...and I mean all traces of it...JB...like flitz will collect at the leade...causing the case mouth to wedge into...I've had this happen...You'll need the barrel off...and a good light to see into this area...Use some long tipped q-tips to clean this area in your chamber...If the extractor is broken or jammed...you'll need to remove the round prior to shipping it back...

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** November 24, 2006, 05:41:48 AM »

I'm pretty sure he said he shot it, but it didn't help. Could still be gunk in the neck or shoulder area that cause it to not close all the way. Shooting it partly closed may have jammed it even harder.

Quote

i was hopeing the cartridge might move from the shot but no it did not.

Tim

hunteraz · « **Reply #7 on:** November 24, 2006, 07:08:59 AM »

the extractor moves it actually came out over the edge of the brass.. and i tried the hydro pressure idea and all that did was pop the primer out so now it is and empty brass with no primer.. would NEF accept this under warranty even though i have done this stuff to try and get it out?? i plan on calling them today. i hope it all works out. and yes i did clean all the jb out like it says on their package and i looked through and it was clean as can be and i looked in the chamber also and nothing.. but i think my problem may have been the ammo or something wrong in the chamber.. the ammo was reloaded by an old friend so i dont know what that might have caused but i have used it before in a ruger 22-250 i had a while ago and it worked excellent so i dont know..

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** November 24, 2006, 07:31:26 AM »

If the extractor moves, then it has to be a problem with the chamber or cartrdige to make it stick that bad. I'd call them and tell them exactly what you did, be nice and I'm sure they'll resolve the problem.

About a year ago, a GBO member was at the range shooting his .243 Handi, his friend was there shooting a 7.62x39 Russian with him and inadvertently loaded a 7.62 round in the .243, the gun went bang, but the case stuck and they couldn't break the barrel open, H&R fixed it for him, but it needed a new barrel.

Just be honest and nice with them, that's my advice. It may be the ammo was overloaded too, I don't know, but give them a chance to make it right for ya, there could be a defect in the chamber, maybe it's bored out of alignment to the bore. Since the cartridge didn't go all the way into the chamber, the brass could have been too long too, not sized properly for your chamber.

Tim

hunteraz · « **Reply #9 on:** November 24, 2006, 07:37:12 AM »

just my luck i called them and they are closed for the thanksgiving break..well i hope they have a happy thanksgiving because i hope they take care of me.. i have a question about the guy who got his problem fixed.. you said he got a new barrel.. well did he have to pay for that?? and also another thought do you think this would be a good time to ask for an additional barrel fitted to it as well? and possibly a trigger job?? and about the trigger job i remember some one saying it is free from the factory is this true??

cpj · « **Reply #10 on:** November 24, 2006, 07:46:34 AM »

You said a you were shooting a friends reloads? Betcha money that was the problem. And it doesnt matter that they worked on another one of your rifles, they were not sized for the handi. If he full length sized those cases, you would have been fine, unless they were WAY to long in lenght to begin with.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #11 on:** November 24, 2006, 08:11:52 AM »

I don't remember if he had to pay for the new barrel. If you're considering accessory barrels, this would be an excellent time to order them, and a trigger job would be nice too while it's there. Depends on how light it is now, they won't touch it if it's 4-5lbs, but over than they will. It's too easy to get the trigger too light by their standards if it's already that light, I did my .280 Imp recently, it was around 5lbs when I started, with just polishing of the pins, minor honing and lubing it went to 2llb-6oz, just right for me, but too light by H&R's lawyers. So if it comes back with no improvement, you'll lknow why.

Tim

hunteraz · « **Reply #12 on:** November 24, 2006, 08:15:34 AM »

is the trigger job free though?? and if so how do i ask for it?

mt3030 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2006, 08:24:09 AM »

"Handloads developed for a different rifle!" Now we know it might of been any number or combination of things.

Brass not full resized (Reloader might of just neck resized for original rifle.)

Cartridge Overall Length (COL) might of been too long, forcing bullet into lands (Original rifle might of had a longer leade or been customed throated, like all Weatherbys.)

Excessive pressure due to powder charge (Just because it worked in the Ruger bolt action is no indication it will work in any other rifle.)

Case length might of been excessive. (Original reloader might of failed to check case.)

Too many unknowns. But we do know two things. You never fire a reload in your rifle or handgun which was developed for another rifle or handgun. You never, never, never force chamber a round. Either with a bolt or your pinky. If the round will not chamber normally, there is something wrong with the ammo or there is a foreign object (like dirt, or worse) in the chamber.

I hope NEF treats you well on your repair. They probably will because they bend over backwards to help their customers. Don't be surprised if you have to dig into your pocket on this one, because I'm betting you did the pooch here. And I think you need to rethink your gun handling practices. Good luck.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #14 on:** November 24, 2006, 08:26:54 AM »

What Wally said, very good advice! And yes, the trigger jobs are free.....so far.

Tim

knight0334 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 24, 2006, 09:46:56 AM »

Quote from: hunteraz on November 24, 2006, 07:37:12 AM

just my luck i called them and they are closed for the thanksgiving break..well i hope they have a happy thanksgiving because i hope they take care of me.. i have a question about the guy who got his problem fixed.. you said he got a new barrel.. well did he have to pay for that?? and also another thought do you think this would be a good time to ask for an additional barrel fitted to it as well? and possibly a trigger job?? and about the trigger job i remember some one saying it is free from the factory is this true??

wow! that puppy must be really in there.. That truly has to be a first..

Sorry man.. hope things smooth out.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2006, 10:40:21 AM »

A good solid cleaning rod...and a brass jag will pop the stuck case out...It might take a couple good whacks...but if your using a brass rod guide...it shouldn't hurt a thing...Even if you push the bullet into the case...and most likely you will.....you might be surprised that there is nothing wrong with it after getting it out.I would atleast try to get it out and then see if you have any visable damage in the chamber & leade...If your still leary of firing it after removing the cartridge...by all means send it in...but I think once you get the stuck case out of it...it will be ok...As it has already beeen said...NEVER assume someones else reloads are safe to use...NEVER...unless you know what has been done with the case...what primers/powder/bullets...and all the paticulars that person has done to the case in prepping them...Since you say you cleaned it out good...the case OAL and the cartridge OAL is most likely too long...and for sure the head space was too long...

Now...get the case unstuck...and check the lock up on the gun...make sure you don't have a visable gap between the barrel and the reciever(hold it up to a good backlite and look carefully...)...If you do...DON"T FIRE ANOTHER ROUND THRU THE GUN...Send it in after talking to them...and make sure you are completely honest and up-front about what you did...NEF's customer service are some of the very best folks when you have a problem in getting it fixed...If your not honest with them...they will most likely know it since many of them read this forum daily...even though they don't post on here openly...Yes...it might cost you for a replacement barrel if yours is damage...but...it might not...this will depend on you and Gordon at NEF...If it does cost you to replace the barrel...consider it a valuable learning lesson...and it certainly is cheaper than a trip to the emergency room...

Good Luck

Mac

hunteraz · « **Reply #17 on:** November 24, 2006, 12:55:25 PM »

i just noticed that these were not the reloads i had extra they are actually my remington factory loads i had before i got the reloads

.. these are about 5 years old now would that have anything to do with it?? im glad i noticed this because i really thought i had screwed up bad by using those reloads.. wow i think i might have caught one break in this whole thing.. but that is just one and i hope things work out with my rifle but i have faith in your guys comments about NEF great customer service and i hope for the best!!

Datil · « **Reply #18 on:** November 24, 2006, 02:19:07 PM »

hunteraz, go to a welding shop get a brass welding rod 36 inches long just
smallerthan 22 cal. Ypu say primer fell out, Drop brass rod down to brass , hit with hammer.
I had to do that. Mine was a live round, If primer doesn't hard meta; or sharp object
no danger Marv.

safetysheriff · « **Reply #19 on:** November 24, 2006, 03:22:37 PM »

now that the bullet is out of the brass why not use a stuck-case extractor like you'd do if you had a case stuck in a die? just follow the instructions and you'll be back in business with the brass pulled out of that chamber.....................i would think.

i'd like to also make a suggestion. don't use any abrasive on any bore in a firearm. smooth the bore with full-metal jackets in light to medium loads with frequent cleaning / removal of the copper on a new rifle.

when something 'mechanical' gets the best of me, i do my best work by walking away from it for a while and thinking/praying about the situation. coming back later makes a big difference.

i hope you do well with this one, and with continued pursuit of this hobby. a Handi' rifle is one of the most under-rated joys i've found on this planet!

take care,

ss'

TLARbb · « **Reply #20 on:** November 24, 2006, 03:52:39 PM »

The stuck case puller should work fine and take care of getting the case out. If your reloader friend doesn't have one, let us know. I have a homemade one I could loan you if you need it.

From reading your posts, I'm pretty sure the case on the ammo was not full length sized and that's why it stuck in your chamber.

EJ

quickdtoo · « **Reply #21 on:** November 24, 2006, 04:39:29 PM »

Quote from: TLARbb on November 24, 2006, 03:52:39 PM

From reading your posts, I'm pretty sure the case on the ammo was not full length sized and that's why it stuck in your chamber.

EJ

The stuck round was a factory round, being 5 years old shouldn't make any difference as long as it was clean and dry.

Tim

Quote from: hunteraz on November 24, 2006, 12:55:25 PM

i just noticed that these were not the reloads i had extra they are actually my remington factory loads i had before i got the reloads .. these are about 5 years old now would that have anything to do with it?? im glad i noticed this because i really thought i had screwed up bad by using those reloads.. wow i think i might have caught one break in this whole thing.. but that is just one and i hope things work out with my rifle but i have faith in your guys comments about NEF great customer service and i hope for the best!!

hunteraz · « **Reply #22 on:** November 24, 2006, 04:47:11 PM »

i dont know what caused it all i know is the rifle would not close shut or eject the brass and eventually the extractor poped over the lip of the brass. i just decided i shouldnt fool with it any longer before i do something really dumb and harm the barrel and that is likely with the way my luck has been going. so im going to talk with NEF and send it in. I also am getting a 25-06 barrel while it is there so i thought while it was there what the heck. i have ALWAYS wanted a 25-06 and maybe this is just they way it worked out for me to obtain one. although i was so excited to have my 22-250 here and was ready to do some shooting and varmint killing but i have to accept the situation and hope and pray for the best outcome possible.