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Offline WaitsLong

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-10,-20,-30 F; bows and other equip too brittle
« on: November 23, 2006, 06:55:57 PM »
I have read more than one "true life story" of metal parts and
wood parts of axes breaking at very low temps (-40,-50).

So now I am wondering about bow hunting at low temps, since
the essence of the bow is flexability. How would a bow be affected?
Point of impact change, safe draw distance, breakage etc.

Is there a low temp at which a bow is  brittle? Or maybe you cannot
relaease the arrow at cold temps, so the release is the controlling issue?

Is there a temp, below which you dont hunt (gun or bow); because it
aint no fun or because the snow squeaks too loudly?

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Re: -10,-20,-30 F; bows and other equip too brittle
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2006, 06:20:37 AM »
I help moderate another forum on Alaska too.  On that forum, many guys travel to the north slope of Alaska to hunt caribou with a bow regurarly at minus temperatures.  I have never heard of a person having problems with their equipment. 

There are certain things that one does have to be carefull of at colder temperatures.  At -50 sometimes transmission oil starts to get thick and transmissions don't work, you don't turn your diesel off, and you take emergency gear just in case.  On Wed. evening, I turned around from a trip because the truck was having a little problem handling the temperatures.  Oh well, moose at -50 windchill did not sound all that exciting anyways.
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Re: -10,-20,-30 F; bows and other equip too brittle
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2006, 09:52:34 AM »
Dave,

Thanks for the quick reply. I guess modern bows are very well
made. Breakage of the upper limb, which could hit your head,
and partially paralyze, happened to a friend of my uncles.
(Famous name bow, not compound, Decades ago.)

In severe cold temps, even a mild thump on the head,
could be fatal, due to shock, lower body temp, inability to
keep moving, disorientation, bad decision making etc.

Over the years, I have read a few articles on the precautions that
people take in cold climates. I do not remember any specifically on diesel,
but do seem to remember, that some kind of stick-on patch-heater
was used on a the oil pan of a gasoline-fueled pickup. Another patch
on the home propane tank.
I suppose the patch-heater could be used on a diesel fuel tank.

In the lower 48, 18 wheelers use partial wind-block of the radiator,
which I have also used on smaller vehicles.

There are dangers with any of these modifications, I have no doubt,
but I have not read any accounts of modifications causing accidents.

Minus 50 F temps would not keep me indoors; I would walk around the
house for 10 minutes, go back indoors, and say "I have braved the North!"

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Re: -10,-20,-30 F; bows and other equip too brittle
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2006, 10:46:40 AM »
A kerosene lamp works well as an engine heater.  Get a cardboard box, cut it down so it barely fits under the oil pan to keep the heat where you want it, stick the lit lamp in and slide it under the engine.  Wait three or four hours and the engine should be willing to start, especially if you have taken the battery in the house to keep warm.  I have done the same with the propane tank, put a large cardboard box over it with the lamp next to it.  At -72 we were still cooking with gas (propane freezes at -44).  I learned this trick back in the late '60s during a discussion in a sauna, where one of the old timers lamented the fact that she had driven off and left her lamp in the parking space after coming out of a movie theater.

Another neighbor back then used a Coleman catlytic heater in a box under his VW van.  These things don't work when it gets too cold, but being in a box kept the heater warm enough to operate.

If you have a propane weed burner, take a couple of lengths of stove pipe with an elbow, slip the stove pipe under the car with the elbow pointing up at the oil pan, and lay the (lit) weedburner in the other end of the pipe.  No flame gets to the engine to cause an oil fire, and it will warm up the motor in a hurry.  Provided it's not so cold the propane won't light!

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Re: -10,-20,-30 F; bows and other equip too brittle
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2006, 10:56:19 PM »
I usually cut it off at -20.  Below that it's too hard to get the snow machines started.  A .58 cal muzzleloader loaded with 80gr of powder will only shoot about 45 yards at -30.  My 30-06 looses a lot of velocity colder than -30 also.  Tried to take a shot at -50 one night at a wolf, when I pulled the hammer back on my winchester 94, the spring broke.  Any oil, grease, or residue will stop the firing pin from moving in sever cold on bole guns.  I saw my hunting partner have a cable brake at -25 on his compound bow.  I won't pull a bow myself after -10.  At -10 I've had the plastic knocks come apart, and graphite arrows shatter on the rest at -15 when released.

Want to ruin an old VW engine?  Try running it after -45, if you can get it started.  The oil will not heat up enough to flow, the air cooled engine will not develop enough heat to thin out the oil.  I use the same cover over the front of my Diesel pickup as the Semis use down south.  If it's colder than -30 I let it run for a minium of 30 minutes before trying to move it to let the transmission warm up.  The transmission cooler becomes a heater when it is that cold.  The transimission fluid is routed through the radiator to help warm it up from the engine heat.  I don't shut it off from the time I leave home till I return, when it's -30 or colder.  At minus 65, I've seen people park their trucks outside a quick stop, go in for 30 minutes, come out and their tires be frozen down.  Instead of warming them up, or chipping loose the ice they are parked on they jump in the truck and crank down on the throttle.  They rip a chunk out of their tires, instant flat.  A few weeks ago my teenage son was out and hit a pothole.  It was -55 that night, and he popped the beads of two tires off the wheels.  The sidewalls were frozen, and when he hit the pothole off they came.  But the tires were so hard, they held the truck up for a while.  He said the truck got squirrelly, but kept going.  Then suddenly he was running on the rims, the tires came off the wheels and wrapped aroung the axles.  One night I was going back to the shop with the shop van, a 1 ton metro van.  I had to cross the railroad tracks at the usual crossing.  I was going about 15 mph, usual speed was 35 mph, broke both front springs when I hit the crossing, it was -65 that night. Metal becomes brittle at those tempatures.  Open your tailgate after -40 and you will not get it closed without ripping those little rubber bumpers off, or taking it inside to warm up.  You go outside to start your car or truck at -65, it's plugged in so it starts.  When you go to go back inside the door won't close,don't slam your car door after -65, the windows will shatter, and you WILL not drive it with a window missing.  And duct tape don't stick at that temp also so you can't cover the open hole.  Push the door to, then lean something against the door to hold it as close to closed as possiable.  Let the car warm up, (usually 20 to 30 min) the heater will thaw out the door seals enough the door will then close.  When it's colder than -65, you get out of your car then you know you have to close the door.  You also know that as soon as you touch that door, static is going to knock the heck out of you.  At this point women will usually start crying, they will kick the door with their boots, anything to keep from touching that door with their hands.  They will even try to get strangers to close the door for them.  I've seen women come inside after grabbing that door and getting the heck knocked out of them so bad they peed all over themselves (and a few men as well).  There is a trick here, put your keyring on your finger, then while holding the key, touch the door with the metal key.  The spark will jump to the key and you will hardly feel it.  Be very cautious fueling up at cold temps.  That static and gasoline don't mix well.  Everyyear we have a few vehicles burn at the pumps, while trying to refuel.  At -65 or colder, when you start off with a vehicle, all the wheels have a flat spot, don't go fast till that flat spot rounds out, if you do you run the chance of knocking the bead off the wheel because the sidewalls are too stiff to absorb the shock.  The sidewalls have not give so the bead pops off when the flat spot hits.  After -50 I totally cover the radiator on my vehicles, they won't overheat.  I open the hood and slip a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator.  On most trucks after -55 the heater blower will overwhelm the heater, so you need to turn the blower down to medium, otherwise no heat inside.  Last year I had a 97 F-150.  Usually it needed oil every fourth tank of gas.  It was time to check the oil, and it was -55 that night.  I raised the hood, checked and added oil.  When I went to close the hood it would not latch.  I lifted the hood about two inches and dropped it.  It latched, also the plastic pieces around the headlites and grill shattered.  We use block heaters (take out one or two freeze plugs and install one of those in the opening), As for Diesel we only use #1 during the winter, #2 will gel and not flow.  There is also an addative we use when it is going to be colder than -65 to help the fuel flow.  Don't take a vehicle inside unless you are going to leave it long enough to dry out.  If you take one inside the cold parts will condensate and get covered with a layer of moisture.  If you take it right back outside, you step on the brakes, they freeze in place and will not release.  When you hit the gas sometimes they pop loose, sometimes they don't.  I often see little front wheel drive cars running around with one rear wheel not turning.  The people took it inside and one rear wheel brake did not let go after they pulled out of the garage.  They usually don't realise it till they make a corner, then they go into a spin.  Don't use your parking brake ever in the winter, moisture in the brake cable line will prevent it from letting go also. 

At -70 most matches won't strike, and if you get it struck, it won't light a sliver of wood. Most lighters don't work then either.  In fact it's hard to get a candle to light at -70.  But that is the best way to start a fire at a cabin.  Light a candle, then work on the stove.  You can light small sticks off the candle, saving your matches.  To start a stove, I usually use oil, then put a small puddle of gas in the middle of it.  That will light, but you better know what you are doing (again don't allow fumes to build up).  To start a fire outside, pour a small can half full of gas, set it down then immediately light it(don't give the fumes time to build up).  Place wood over the can, being careful not to spill the can.  In a few minutes you will have a fire.  Propane lanturns and stoves don't work below -45, without some engineering.  They scare me, I saw my father-in-law blow up a house trying to get a propane stove to work at -65.  I don't use propane period.

At -75 and -80, I've seen Birch trees explode.  The small amount of moisture inside was too much, it froze and the pressure kept building till it litterally exploded the trunk of the tree.  I went to bust a lock open one night using a hammer, the head of the hammer shattered, it was -65.  A couple of weeks ago a friend bumped my snowmachine hitting the Kolpin case, the case shattered like glass, it was -35 that night.   I've had the cutting edge of an ax chip trying to cut kindling at -65.  I've seen saw blades shatter at -65 when someone tried to cut with them.

And your best friend when you have to go to the outhouse at -65 is a good union suite.  The heck with two piece thermals, give me a union suite.  Most of you can figure that one out.
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Re: -10,-20,-30 F; bows and other equip too brittle
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2007, 07:06:56 PM »
You guys are providing some good info.

I remember below zero temps in lower 48,
typical problems with cars:
doors did not close easily (cold grease),
out-of-round tires,
low battery, cold oil (glad for synthetic).

Noticed a common problem is globe on
a lantern breaking. Do you know a good
make-shift repair or some small material that
would assist in a repair.
Even though I will be buying more new LCD
lighting, I would like to keep the old Coleman
lantern going; it does warm a tent, somewhat.

Also, I will probably be buying a small oil or
kerosene wick-type lamp. I am guessing that
except for the globe, they are very durable.