Question for Lloyd Smale

[Greeenriver]

Sir, I was looking at the picture of your .41special on a Single  Six frame, and a question poped into my feeble mind.

Do you think that a Single Six would handle a conversion to 10mm?? I think it would have to be a five shot, but that would be OK. I realy like the 10mm cartridge and was just fishing for your thoughts on this. 

Who would you recomend to have build the gun??

I think a bbl the same length as the ejector housing in octigon would be good, with fixed sights and a round but.


This a good idea or not??


Greeenriver

[Lloyd Smale]

I doubt if youd find anyone to do it. The pressure a 10mm run at would be to much for the gun. As is the .41 special in a single six is a 900fps gun with 220s It may be a little to long too. The .40 would probably work but again getting someone to trust the fact that your going to keep pressures down in your handloads and not run factory ammo is going to be the problem. I know Terry Merbach has a 10mm in a old model 357 frame and loves it. Said its one of his most accurate guns. A 10mm .40 switch cyl gun on a new flattop would be a great gun. Ive got piles of brass for both. 40 brass is about given away! It also would be a hell of alot cheaper to convert a .357 to 6 shot .10 then to do a 5 shot on a single six.

[2 dogs]

Greenriver, If you are interested in some information on a custom 5 shot single six PM me with your e mail address and I will send you some on Alan Harton who builds a dandy.  Like Lloyd, I dont believe you will be able to get anyone to build one in such a high pressure cartridge.

[2 dogs]

Greeenriver, I sent you a bit of material.  Please let me know if I can help you in any way. 

[Greeenriver]

2 dogs,

      I got the E-mails and WOW!!!!  Them are some great looking revolvers!!!!!!!  I have Alan Harton's business address now, and probibly will get in touch with him in the near future.  Thank you for your help in this, and if anything comes of it, I'll be sure to post it here for all to see.  My wants and ideas  that I like in revolvers are somewhat diferent than most that post here. I have NO intrest in anything more powerfull than a 44mag or 45 colt.  And I don't shoot the real heavy bullets in any caliber.  Living in Michigan, the largest animal that I ever hunt is a whitetail deer, and they are a relitivly thin-skined animal that don't require an extremly heavy bullet to take cleanly.  I like fixed sights on my revolvers and once they are regulated for a load I like, I seldom ever change loads for that gun.  I like bbl's about the length of the ejector rod housing and not any longer if I can help it.

     Thank you for taking the time to send my the information and pictures, I enjoyed looking at them and they gave me a few ideas for my own pistol.  I feel that a man should have at least one "Custom" pistol and I am currently without one.  I think it's about time to rectify that  situation.

Greeenriver

[Lloyd Smale]

Ive never handled or shot any of Alans work but have heard nothing but good about it. 2 dogs has some nice guns and knows what hes talking about so you be advised to follow his advise. Good luck with the project and keep us updated.

[Greeenriver]

Well, I have exchanged a few E-mails with Mr. Harton now, and I think I have settled on a project for him. I'll be picking up another Ruger Bearcat this weekend and hopefuly will be shipping it to Mr.  Harton in the near furure.  This is  to become a 17HMR with a 4in bbl, action job, and Ivory grips.  This will probibly be a fixed sighted gun with a simple post and brass or ivory frt bead and the shallow V express stile rear sight.   I hunt small game much more than Deer and will get much more usage out of this than a larger centerfire gun, however, if I can find an old beater of a Ruger Bisley the next one will be in 38-40 and 10mm setup for Deer hunting.

Of the guns we considered, I think that the Bearcat will get the most usage from me.

Any thoughts or comments on this selection??  I thought about an extra cylinder in 17Mach2, but can see no real reason to have one, as the cost of the Mach2 ammo and 17HMR is about the same.

Greeenriver

[Lloyd Smale]

around here hmr2 is about half the price of the mag stuff.

[2 dogs]

That is gonna be different. I cant wait to see it. I guarantee you its gonna be accurate!

[Greeenriver]

Lloyd,
       I bought a brick of 17HMR fior $69.00 recently at a Gandr Mt. store. That's less than what the Mach2 usualy goes for here in the upper part of the lower penn. of MI.  If there's a real savings, I still have time to order an extra cylinder in Mach2 for the gun.  Normaly, the 17HMR runs about $9.00 in the local stores arround Cadillac, MI.  Havn't priced the Mach2 yet, but would be willing to check on it.

     The idea of an extra cylinder is something I like, but I need to find a reason for it before I can justify the extra cost. As of now, I can find no reason for it.  If you can provide a reason, I'm more than willing to get it. Basicly, the 17HMR, from a 4in bbl, is just about what I want for small game and plinking, and if it was just for plinking, a 22lr is MUCH more affordable than any of the 17's. I'm gessing now, but I think that a 17HMR fro0m a 4in bbl will give about 1900 to 200fps and expand reliably out to about 35yds, beyound that, it should be like a FMJ with no expanshion.  From a longer Pistol bbl, that was about normal and I expect it to  work well out to about 25 to 35 yds.  That's far enough for most of the small game hunting I do. 

     Time  will tell what I wind up with.  As of now, what I have described is suficent for my needs. If a second cylender in 17Mach2 is justified, it's still early enough to order one.

     Thank you all for your comments and ideas. They do help me to decide what I want.

Greeenriver

[Boxhead]

As one who has had Alan do a fair amount of work, some fairly complex, you can not find anyone better, I assure you.

[2 dogs]

Folks, Boxhead knows what he is talking about. He has some top drawer Alan Harton wares.

[Greeenriver]

I talked to Alen Harton on the phone today and we setled the final specs for my revolver. I will be sending him my extra Bearcat in a few days and hopefuly, in about 6 months I'll get it back.

17HMR, 5in round barrel, shallow V Express fixed rear sight, post and gold bead frt sight, grip frame lengthened 1/4 to 3/8in and slightly round butted, Ivory grips, and new blueing. We decided to go with the 5in bbl to offset the extra length in the grips, and to try to get all the velosity possable from the 17HMR.  As it's not a reloadable round, I can't adjust the powder and will loose some velosity shooting it in a pistol insted of the rifle it was designed for.

Now, I need to have patence.  I want patence, but I also want it RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Greeenriver

[Lloyd Smale]

around here the hmrs go for about 10 bucks a box and hmr2s are 6 bucks

Lloyd,
       I bought a brick of 17HMR fior $69.00 recently at a Gandr Mt. store. That's less than what the Mach2 usualy goes for here in the upper part of the lower penn. of MI.  If there's a real savings, I still have time to order an extra cylinder in Mach2 for the gun.  Normaly, the 17HMR runs about $9.00 in the local stores arround Cadillac, MI.  Havn't priced the Mach2 yet, but would be willing to check on it.

     The idea of an extra cylinder is something I like, but I need to find a reason for it before I can justify the extra cost. As of now, I can find no reason for it.  If you can provide a reason, I'm more than willing to get it. Basicly, the 17HMR, from a 4in bbl, is just about what I want for small game and plinking, and if it was just for plinking, a 22lr is MUCH more affordable than any of the 17's. I'm gessing now, but I think that a 17HMR fro0m a 4in bbl will give about 1900 to 200fps and expand reliably out to about 35yds, beyound that, it should be like a FMJ with no expanshion.  From a longer Pistol bbl, that was about normal and I expect it to  work well out to about 25 to 35 yds.  That's far enough for most of the small game hunting I do. 

     Time  will tell what I wind up with.  As of now, what I have described is suficent for my needs. If a second cylender in 17Mach2 is justified, it's still early enough to order one.

     Thank you all for your comments and ideas. They do help me to decide what I want.

Greeenriver

[georgeld]

Greenriver:

Would you mind either posting here, or sending me Mr. Harton's e/mail?

Thank you sir,  georgeld@hotmail.com

George

[2 dogs]

I can do that for you, try aharton@hotmail.com and be sure and ask for pics. I have some pics of his work as well if you e mail me at fcgarza0640@hotmail.com I can send them to you. You may also check with Boxhead who has some seriously fine sixguns built by Alan.  Best regards.

[Greeenriver]

Greenriver:

Would you mind either posting here, or sending me Mr. Harton's e/mail?

Thank you sir,  georgeld@hotmail.com

George

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, been busy over the Holidays.

Alan Harton
Single Action Service
8822 Jackwood St.
Houston, TX.  77036
# 713-907-6031

Please tell him I sent ya.

Greeenriver