Author Topic: Deer stolen at gunpoint (Read 1571 times)

victorcharlie · « **on:** November 30, 2006, 05:06:57 AM »

Published November 27, 2006 10:32 pm - A Meadville man had the doe he shot Monday afternoon taken at gunpoint by three men, according to Vernon Township Police.
“It’s an armed robbery and an assault,” said Sgt. Randy Detzel. “They knocked him to the ground and took his deer.”

Man held at gunpoint, forced to relinquish just-shot deer

By Keith Gushard

11/28/06 —

VERNON TOWNSHIP — A Meadville man had the doe he shot Monday afternoon taken at gunpoint by three men, according to Vernon Township Police.

“It’s an armed robbery and an assault,” said Sgt. Randy Detzel. “They knocked him to the ground and took his deer.”

The incident happened around 1 p.m. on top of Gable Hill off Route 322, about six miles west of Meadville, according to police.

“I’m really, really upset about the whole ordeal,” Robert Hanna, 42, of Meadville told the Tribune late Monday afternoon. “(It’s) over a dumb deer. If they wanted it so bad I would have said ‘take it.’ ”

Hanna had shot the doe and was unhooking his safety to get ready to come down from his tree stand when he was approached by three men with rifles.

Hanna told the Tribune that he had his back to the deer and didn’t see or hear the men approach.

Two of the men had beards and were dressed in denim coats with orange vests and hats. The third man, who was dressed in orange hunting suit, hauled the deer away.

Hanna said he was ordered by the two bearded men in denim coats with orange vests and hats to empty his rifle by firing it. Hanna also was ordered to open his gun’s breach and throw the gun down.

He said the two men had spoken German.

The two ordered him down out of the stand at gunpoint. Hanna said he then was struck from behind with a rifle by one of the two men and knocked to the ground.

“I didn’t pass out, but it put me right to the ground,” Hanna said of the blow to his back. “It took me a half-hour to get out of the woods.”

Hanna estimates he was 300 to 400 yards off the highway.

He then contacted police about the robbery.

Persons with information are asked to contact Vernon Township Police at 333-6309 or through the Crawford County 911 Center at 724-2545.

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2006, 06:59:03 AM »

I had a some what similar experience that "almost" happened to me several years ago. I was hunting in a WMA here in Bama with a couple other guys. On that particular morning there were pepole everywhere and I related it to a ping pong ball the way I kept bouncing off the glow of hunter orange as I was walking in. Someone was sitting where I wanted to be so I just kept moving until I found a place I didn't see orange and sat down.

After a bit I saw orange as a hunter stood in a hollow a couple hundred yards away. I noticed him moving around a lot but wasn't sure why until I saw him start dragging out a doe he had shot. He actually didn't have a doe tag himself but someone in his party did. NOT LEGAL. It was a tough struggle bringing the deer out and he passed in front of me at about 75 yards in the process. He called over to me and suggested I go down to where he was sitting as he had seen several deer moving thru the area. He had been waiting to see if a buck came along before he finally decided to gut the doe and drag her out. ILLEGAL at the time as it was one deer per day in the area at the time.

So I moved down there and sat down. He continued to drag his deer. I'd not been there five minutes when a 7 point buck came down off a hill right past me. I shot him broadside in the lungs from about 25 yards with my Rem. 700 Mtn. Rifle in .270 Win. He made a mad dash for 100 yards or so and fell dead.

As I approached the deer to claim it and gut it the guy said he'd almost shot it again even tho he was stumbling and falling and he clearly knew it was dead on it's feet. I replied I couldn't imagine why he'd have wanted to do that since he already had his deer on the ground and knew I'd placed a killing shot.

Later when he'd gotten his to the road above us his father came down and helped me drag out mine. At that time I found it was him, his dad, his sister and a friend of theirs all hunting together. When the "friend" saw I'd taken a fairly nice 7 point buck he tried long and hard to convince the other to join him and jump me, whip my butt and take the buck. Yes he was serious.

I told them that wouldn't be too smart a move to try that my hunting partners had been called and were on the way and that I had a loaded handgun which I shown them and said that if they tried someone was gonna die, might be me but for sure some of them would also.

Now had they asked rather than doing what they did it would have been theirs. I don't eat deer meat and was just gonna give it to one of my hunting partners anyway and had they asked politely I'd have given it to them willingly. You just never know what you might run into in the woods. Why anyone would do such a thing as the ones in my story or the other did I just don't understand.

I believe the entire long version of the story is in my campfire tales accessable from ALL THE REST on the Home Page.

jh45gun · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:31:57 AM »

My brother when he was a teen had a nice buck taken from him at gunpoint by 4 hunters from down state. It had a odd rack and my dad and him found it hanging up near a local bar. They called the sheriff but the sheriff said possession ect and it was my brothers word against the 4 of them. I really think this is one of the reasons my Brother became a Game Warden to arrest the types of scum that would steal a deer from a kid.

Questor · « **Reply #3 on:** November 30, 2006, 08:50:51 AM »

How disgusting. I was going to say "unbelievable", but I live in the state where murderer Vang shot a bunch of Wisconsin hunters a couple of years back while he was tresspassing on their land to hunt deer.

dukkillr · « **Reply #4 on:** November 30, 2006, 09:55:57 AM »

Steal a doe? Why? With the value of good racks I can see why there is some underground market pressures there. But why a doe?

Syncerus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 30, 2006, 10:02:17 AM »

The (low) level to which some trash will stoop is an amazing thing.

30-30man · « **Reply #6 on:** November 30, 2006, 11:03:54 AM »

That's wierd for sure. In SC, you can't hardly give a doe away even at gun point. Nobody wants to pay the processing fees. For $45-65 you can buy a lot of steak. The deer meat just ain't that good no matter how you cook it.

dukkillr · « **Reply #7 on:** November 30, 2006, 12:13:10 PM »

Quote from: 30-30man on November 30, 2006, 11:03:54 AM

That's wierd for sure. In SC, you can't hardly give a doe away even at gun point. Nobody wants to pay the processing fees. For $45-65 you can buy a lot of steak. The deer meat just ain't that good no matter how you cook it.

Precisely what i was thinking. I finally found a plant that will take deer for free if I skin them and give them to soup kitchens. I can't understand why anyone would steal a doe.

jpsmith1 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 30, 2006, 12:14:05 PM »

Meadville is basically down the road from me. A different WMU, but only about 60 miles.

Deer are a it scarce in PA this year in spots, but I just can't see getting into a fight over a deer, ANY deer. This has happened for years. My first year hunting, I remember being told to walk away from anyone trying to claim your deer, even if it's yours and you know it, walk away. It's really not worth your life.

jh45gun · « **Reply #9 on:** November 30, 2006, 03:19:20 PM »

Quote from: 30-30man on November 30, 2006, 11:03:54 AM

That's wierd for sure. In SC, you can't hardly give a doe away even at gun point. Nobody wants to pay the processing fees. For $45-65 you can buy a lot of steak. The deer meat just ain't that good no matter how you cook it.

Then you or the other half should learn to cook. Venison is excellent of prepared right. For the record before you come back and ask my credentials I was a chef for years and was asked to cater large parties. I also was asked to come to several business to cook that I did not ask for the job they came to me so I think I know a bit what I am talking about. One more thing more GOOD Venison is ruined by pee poor field care and what you do not do to the meat before processing than bad cooking. If Venison is taken care of right in the field and cooked properly it is very good.

Datil · « **Reply #10 on:** November 30, 2006, 04:49:28 PM »

jh45gun, you are 100% correct in all your statements, some depends on what the deer have been feeding on.
nothing better than backstrap , eggs gravey,and bisquest for breakfast, marv.

30-30man · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2006, 04:25:47 AM »

I was just stating my opinion. I never said it was terrible, it just always taste like liver to me. I hate liver. I ate too much of it while in the navy. I've tasted many venison cuts from many people who bragged about how they can cook it. It all taste the same to me. LIVER! I love wild pork, dove, quail, and almost any other type of game. I even ate BBQ goat once with some cooter soup from a snapping turtle, it was great. I just hate venision, it has always tasted like liver to me. Once I had to eat liver about every other day while stationed in the Phillipines. I learned to hate it along with powdered eggs. My sister has tried to disquise it in many dishes from hamburgers to spaghetti. I can always taste it. So, no thanks, pass the venison for me.

jh45gun · « **Reply #12 on:** December 01, 2006, 09:31:03 AM »

Well if it taste like liver to ya in must be a mental block thing. As good Venison does not taste like liver nor does it have the same texture.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2006, 12:44:57 PM »

Quote from: jh45gun on December 01, 2006, 09:31:03 AM

Well if it taste like liver to ya in must be a mental block thing. As good Venison does not taste like liver nor does it have the same texture.

Or.....you just ain't been hungry enough.........

Echo4Lima · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2006, 04:44:03 PM »

Several years ago I put an arrow thruthe lings of a deer, watched go over the small hill and went to my truck to drive over and get it. Siting and pouring coffee to celebrate. I saw a car with 4 or 5 young kids drive out of the area, pass me looking with smoles on thier faces. Didnt think much about it. Drove on over the hill, no deer! Looked around and found the drag trail, tire tracks empty beer cans. They had been sitting in thier car drinking beer, saw a deer topout and drop dead, drug over to the car and left with it!! MY DEER!!

Graybeard · « **Reply #15 on:** December 01, 2006, 05:32:58 PM »

I'm about 99% certain I had one taken from me in a some what similar manner but in my case I'm sure that who ever took it was hunting.

I was on a muzzle loader hunt in the CWMA here in Bama. I was in a treestand perched high on a ridge looking down into a valley and onto the far ridge. At the time I was using some brand now unknown to me O/U muzzle loading rifle. I got a decent shot at about 80 yards at a doe up on the far ridge, took and it missed miserably. One barrel shot to point of aim, the other didn't. I think I must have used wrong barrel. The doe came running off the hill and ran right under my stand. As she did I fired the other barrel and broke her back about half way on her body. It dropped her on the spot BUT she used her front legs to drag herself away from me and was making pretty good time at it.

Since I had two shots in the gun I had failed to get out my quick loads for a fast reload and by the time I got the gun reloaded the deer was nearly out of sight of me still dragging herself along with her front legs. I got down as fast as I could and took off on the trail following her. It was an easy trail to follow with plenty of blood and the drag marks. I followed her over a hill and down into a hollow and part way up the next hill and the trail just plain disappeared. No deer. No blood and no more drag marks.

For sure a deer with a broken spine didn't get up and run away. The trailed ended abruptly. I'm sure someone saw her came over and finished her off or she just died on her own and they quickly grabbed her and made off with her.

I really didn't care as I'd just have given her to someone else anyway as I don't eat deer meat. I don't even have ill feelings toward that person or persons. I feel a little sorry for them that they have to steal their deer rather than being able to kill it themselves but unlike the other situation they didn't threaten to "whip by butt and take anything from me by force". That action would have had a severe consequence. Heck if I'd have seen these guys carting it away I'd have told them they were welcome to it. Saved me the time and trouble of guting it and finding someone to take it.

jhm · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2006, 05:04:31 AM »

I love deer Liver and onions, and while we are at it the heart and wild Mushrooms with some diced onions makes good bread even better. JIM

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2006, 06:27:57 PM »

Quote from: jh45gun on December 01, 2006, 09:31:03 AM

Well if it taste like liver to ya in must be a mental block thing. As good Venison does not taste like liver nor does it have the same texture.

Agreed Sir. We butcher our own, didn't get any this year, sorry to say. We basicly have steaks, roasts, or stew meat. The stew meat is used in soups and stew, or put in a crock pot with mushroom soup, brown gravy mix, and extra mushrooms. We sometimes use the stew meat in chili. The latter is cooked for 4 or 5 hours in a crock pot slowly, I usually add garlic powder, pepper, and onions.Cook til tender. After it's done I use it over cooked noodles, with mashed potatoes. The roasts are sprinkled with garlic powder and Mccormicks montreal steak seasoning, then layered with sliced onions, add potatoes and carrots, even celery, sometimes we add cabbage. The steaks are either beaten and rolled in flour seasoned with steak seasoning, garlic powder, and pepper, then fried. OR, I marinate them all night in a mixture of mostly teriyaki sauce, with soy sauce, steak seasoning, and some bbq sauce all mixed well, in a ziplock bag in the frig, turning several times to absorb it better. The next day I pour off the excess marinade and sprinkle UNSEASONED tenderizer over it 4 or 5 hours before grilling, or broiling in the oven. The generic tenderizer around here works very well. Yep, nothing wrong with venison. If weathere permits I will hang a deer at least a week to age it. I have let them hang for 2 weeks, depends on the temp. POWDERMAN.

jpsmith1 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 03, 2006, 02:19:12 AM »

Since we're sharing...

Take a steak, smear with Olive oil, sprinkle lightly with salt, pepper, and Garlic powder. Grill lightly. Let sit for 5 minutes or so and eat. It should be not more than medium. Cooked to well-done and I'd rather eat my boot.

Too much seasoning hides the flavor of the meat. I've eaten venison cooked that way, and usually, it's to cover the flavor of the meat. Venison is a unique flavor and I truly enjoy it.

Brett · « **Reply #19 on:** December 03, 2006, 02:36:44 AM »

I've eaten venison taken in Upstate New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, West Virginia and North Carolina - it all tasted delicious to me.

powderman · « **Reply #20 on:** December 03, 2006, 02:15:52 PM »

JPSMITH1. What does the olive oil do, I've never used it??? POWDERMAN.

jpsmith1 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 03, 2006, 03:39:15 PM »

Keeps the spices on and keeps the meat from sticking to the grill. Works on any type of meat. I practically use it by the gallon in the summertime.

Graybeard · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2006, 05:17:14 PM »

You guys need to take the recipes to the Cooking forum. This one is about deer being stolen at gun point.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2006, 01:09:04 AM »

Dam(n)..................

Ranger J · « **Reply #24 on:** December 04, 2006, 10:30:19 AM »

It took me quite a while to learn how to cook deer. At first I tried to handle it as if it was beef. I ended up with meat that was a lot like a hockey puck. Now I marinade it is a mixture of lemon juice, L&P, Dijon mustard and a lot of garlic in the frig for 24 hours and then in the George Forman for a quick singe on both sides and it just doesn’t get any better than that.

RJ