Why I won't own a Browning rifle

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

They fixed that situation with the X-bolt-----now you can leave the safety on and still work the bolt.

[Buckskin]

About time, case closed.

[Ahshucks]

Yes, the X-Bolt seems to be a better choice as a replacement of the A-Bolt.  Many new features as a result of Browning listening to their customers:  http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=023B&catalog_=B

[mrussel]

If you take the action out of the stock, the workings of the Browning safety are visible.  It blocks the trigger, moves a pin up to block the striker and moves a pin up to lock the bolt handle down.  I would think that a gunsmith could remove the bolt lock without altering the other parts of the safety if that is what you are looking for.

Thats what I would do, but its not what I was asking for.  Just some sort of an explanation of why it would be designed that way.  And a secondary question which I thought of later, as why their shotguns wouldn't have a similar safety?

I think I'm going to give up on this question, because nobody seems to have any response.  Point proven I quess.

 I of course will chime in with the keep your fingers off the bang button until your ready to hurl some lead,but I do agree with your general point. If we could all be trusted not to do stupid things 100% of the time,there would be no need for safetys and half the safety procedures we adhere to religiously would be unnecessary. I have a marlin 70 for instance that for some reason,when I pick it up my finger just naturally wants to go into the trigger guard. Ive had to train myself not to do it,but Im sure there are alot of guns that are that way for people. Most people (at least I hope) will train themselves to catch themselves and not do it,but the fact is,sometimes a cold hand slips or someone absent mindedly does something stupid. The proper procedures of course are there to make sure that even when you do that,all you do is scare the hell out of yourself and reinforce the proper observance of the rules. Those rules will even protect you,in fact are MADE to protect you,even if you screw up several of them and even if the guns design is not so great. Still,its always better to obey the rules AND have a gun that intrinsically very safe to begin with.

[teddybaham]

If you take the action out of the stock, the workings of the Browning safety are visible.  It blocks the trigger, moves a pin up to block the striker and moves a pin up to lock the bolt handle down.  I would think that a gunsmith could remove the bolt lock without altering the other parts of the safety if that is what you are looking for.

Thats what I would do, but its not what I was asking for.  Just some sort of an explanation of why it would be designed that way.  And a secondary question which I thought of later, as why their shotguns wouldn't have a similar safety?

I think I'm going to give up on this question, because nobody seems to have any response.  Point proven I quess.

umm we dont work for browning!!! call and ask them

[mannyrock]

 
 
     To the gentleman who wrote that the safety on the Rem 700 was too loud, and was inconvenient for his hand, even though his hand was large.
 
     I believe that you are operating the safety incorrectly.  I don't believe it was designed so that you could have your finger on the trigger, and simply reach up with your thumb and flick off the safety.  Yes, it is very loud if you do it that way, and depending on the size of your hand, and the angle of your thumb on the safety, sometimes it is impossible to flick the safety off that way.
 
     I have seen lots of shooters, including military sniper shooters, take the safety off using their thumb and forefinger (without a finger on the trigger), and then put their hand down in the shooting position (with finger on trigger) and shoot.  The safety is very quiet when disengaged this way, and very easy to disengage.
 
Regards, Mannyrock
 

[jiminpa]

so buy a x-bolt!! safety on,push the button on the bold and open it up! if you want a 3 position safety buy a winchester!!

[eastbank]

i still think the mauser brothers got it right.(three postion safety). eastbank.

[Brithunter]

Whilst this thread is old I am wondering how so many people it seems cannot operate a simple mechanism safely    it beggars belief.


The legal profession really has it's claws into the populace it seems. As soon as some one phucks up it's got to be the manufacturers fault and they worm outta their holes as they smell the blood money.


While reading through this I wondered how I and many thousands of rifle users with makes Like BSA, Parker-Hale, Brno, CZ not to mention all the rifles fitted with Timney triggers quite manage to operate these without having negligent discharges.


It's not the rifles fault after it's an inanimate object incapable of thought or action it comes solely down to negligence on the operator.


The only time I had a rifle go off as I closed the bolt was on a BSA CF2 when I adjusted the trigger to finely    As I was prone with muzzle pointing towards the target there was only a slight embarrassment on my part and the rifle was put aside until I could get home and pull the stock to re-adjust the trigger with more sear engagement and a slightly heavier trip on the sett trigger. Lesson learnt    test more thoroughly before heading out to shoot!


As the OP won't own a browning rifle due to this type of safety it's a pretty safe bet he has never owned or used any of those makes I mentioned. I supposed there is something to say about closed minds. At least I tried a few Remington 700's before deciding I didn't like them  [size=78%].[/size]

[size=78%]Oh yes and the three position safety was designed while Winchester didn't know how to make a bolt action rifle in about 1890 or so.[/size]

[gunnut69]

Weatherby is made in the USA,,at least for a time.. Somewhere on the east coast..

[Swampman]

As long as somebody is making the product in the US I'll be buying it.  No Jap rifles for me.

[Buckskin]

Whilst this thread is old I am wondering how so many people it seems cannot operate a simple mechanism safely    it beggars belief.


The legal profession really has it's claws into the populace it seems. As soon as some one phucks up it's got to be the manufacturers fault and they worm outta their holes as they smell the blood money.


While reading through this I wondered how I and many thousands of rifle users with makes Like BSA, Parker-Hale, Brno, CZ not to mention all the rifles fitted with Timney triggers quite manage to operate these without having negligent discharges.


It's not the rifles fault after it's an inanimate object incapable of thought or action it comes solely down to negligence on the operator.


The only time I had a rifle go off as I closed the bolt was on a BSA CF2 when I adjusted the trigger to finely    As I was prone with muzzle pointing towards the target there was only a slight embarrassment on my part and the rifle was put aside until I could get home and pull the stock to re-adjust the trigger with more sear engagement and a slightly heavier trip on the sett trigger. Lesson learnt    test more thoroughly before heading out to shoot!


As the OP won't own a browning rifle due to this type of safety it's a pretty safe bet he has never owned or used any of those makes I mentioned. I supposed there is something to say about closed minds. At least I tried a few Remington 700's before deciding I didn't like them  [size=78%].[/size]

[size=78%]Oh yes and the three position safety was designed while Winchester didn't know how to make a bolt action rifle in about 1890 or so.[/size]

Interesting that Brithunter (I assume he is British) has such harsh words for people who prefer not having to put a rifle off-safe to open the bolt, since his country doesn't even think he is responsible enough to own a pistol, pump or semi-auto rifle regardless the type of safety....

[Brithunter]

Whilst this thread is old I am wondering how so many people it seems cannot operate a simple mechanism safely    it beggars belief.


The legal profession really has it's claws into the populace it seems. As soon as some one phucks up it's got to be the manufacturers fault and they worm outta their holes as they smell the blood money.


While reading through this I wondered how I and many thousands of rifle users with makes Like BSA, Parker-Hale, Brno, CZ not to mention all the rifles fitted with Timney triggers quite manage to operate these without having negligent discharges.


It's not the rifles fault after it's an inanimate object incapable of thought or action it comes solely down to negligence on the operator.


The only time I had a rifle go off as I closed the bolt was on a BSA CF2 when I adjusted the trigger to finely    As I was prone with muzzle pointing towards the target there was only a slight embarrassment on my part and the rifle was put aside until I could get home and pull the stock to re-adjust the trigger with more sear engagement and a slightly heavier trip on the sett trigger. Lesson learnt    test more thoroughly before heading out to shoot!


As the OP won't own a browning rifle due to this type of safety it's a pretty safe bet he has never owned or used any of those makes I mentioned. I supposed there is something to say about closed minds. At least I tried a few Remington 700's before deciding I didn't like them  [size=78%].[/size]

[size=78%]Oh yes and the three position safety was designed while Winchester didn't know how to make a bolt action rifle in about 1890 or so.[/size]

Interesting that Brithunter (I assume he is British) has such harsh words for people who prefer not having to put a rifle off-safe to open the bolt, since his country doesn't even think he is responsible enough to own a pistol, pump or semi-auto rifle regardless the type of safety....

British is one term but as I was born in southern England and am of English descent I suppose English is more correct. Heck to be British today one just needs a British Passport ans it seems like they give they out in cornflake packets now.


While the firearms laws may be totally stupid here before you go crowing just look at some cities in the U.S and even some states and just stop and think. Obuma and Co will bring laws like this to a town near you soon!


Now my post is quite factual and you know it only too well. If one cannot operate such a simple mechanism then perhaps one should not be using it in the first place. Same could be said for vehicles too.


Meanwhile I still miss my pistols ................................ I have little to no interest in pump rifles as for semi auto rifles .............................. Hmmm not sure about them. The L1A1 (FN Fal) was fun as a kid in the Army Cadets but as to spending out on one ??.


It seems I upset the gun grabbers here when I spent my compensation for my pistols and stuff on rifles    seems that WAS NOT THE THING TO DO WITH IT ............................................ sure could have fooled me  [size=78%].[/size]

[Buckskin]

Trust me, we are all fearful of Obama's intent, both in gun laws and Socialist agenda.  I feel for ya, cause I have many pistols, pump guns and auto's. Each has a special place in my gun vault with their own memories and purposes.  Hopefully Obama will be tossed out on his rear this fall so we can recover from what he has done already...
 
 
Again, I see no reason why you would have to take a gun off-safe to open the bolt, don't care who makes it...

[pastorp]

Ya know Buckskin, for a guy that gave up on a topic & let it drop.. You sure chewed on this a long time.. 

I don't like bolts anyway. Give me a BLR anyday... I like a exposed hammer better.

Regards,

[Buckskin]

Ya know Buckskin, for a guy that gave up on a topic & let it drop.. You sure chewed on this a long time.. 

I don't like bolts anyway. Give me a BLR anyday... I like a exposed hammer better.

Regards,

LOL, you really expect me to remember a post of mine from '06???    Had no idea of what you were talking about until I went back, didn't even know it was my topic... And just because I dropped it, doesn't mean my opinion of the idiotic safetly has changed.   And apparently Browning agreed, since their X-Bolt safety corrected the issue.
 
You don't know accuracy if you don't own a bolt gun...  And IMO, BLR's are just over priced Japanese made Winchester's, I will keep my 1955 '94.

[Ladobe]

Cold fingers can do funny things around a trigger.

Anybody that has fingers around a trigger ANYTIME except to actually shoot kind of gets what they earn.   The only safety that should ever be relied on with a firearm is the one between ears.
 
Having to take a bolter off safe to unload a chambered round is not just cause IMO to rant over otherwise fine firearms.   They are not idiot proof, but then an idiot gets what he earns.

[pastorp]

Buckskin,

I didn't say I don't own any bolt guns I just prefer levers. I like the exposed hammer as a safety.  And of course not all brownings were made in japan. Some of my BLRs are belgium made.
Concerning the bolts accuracy, I've got a couple of Browning 1885s that will shoot with any bolt gun short of a bench gun. 

Regards,

[Buckskin]

Buckskin,

IConcerning the bolts accuracy, I've got a couple of Browning 1885s that will shoot with any bolt gun short of a bench gun. 

Regards,

I don't have any bench guns, but have several that I would be willing to shoot against your 1885's for "titles"....