Author Topic: Precision Rifle has a new 25 ACP breech plug for the Pro Hunter. (Read 2925 times)

Redhawk1 · « **on:** December 12, 2006, 09:23:00 AM »

Precision Rifle has a new 25 ACP breech plug for the Pro Hunter.

I Ordered and received one for my Pro hunter. I am going to finish the season with my 209 primer set up and then do some shooting with the 25 ACP conversion.
I like the size of the 25 ACP over the 209 primer. Also my standard Encore M/L shot extremely accurate with the 25 ACP conversion.

http://prbullet.com/prohntr.htm

rks1949 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:54:35 PM »

Do you have to resize the brass,and tumble it to clean it up,between repriming the brass?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2006, 01:47:06 AM »

Quote from: rks1949 on December 12, 2006, 03:54:35 PM

Do you have to resize the brass,and tumble it to clean it up,between repriming the brass?

Once you shoot the brass in your gun it does not have to be resized. The brass is be form fitted to your breech plug and gun. I have always cleaned my brass and just reprimed them. When I am at the range I drop the brass in a plastic baggies with a little Windex with vinegar and then dry them and tumble them, and some times I just run a Q-tip inside the brass and just reprime them.

Myerslake2005 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2006, 05:44:01 AM »

I was looking at their web site earlier this week. Did you have to trade them your old breach plug?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2006, 08:52:09 AM »

Quote from: Myerslake2005 on December 14, 2006, 05:44:01 AM

I was looking at their web site earlier this week. Did you have to trade them your old breach plug?

If you send them your breech plug, they will modify it and send it back for $59.95. Or you can buy one of there's for $59.95 and pay an extra $50.00 and they will send you one out right away. You will get credited to back to your account of $50.00 when they receive your breech plug.

messer454 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2006, 04:41:15 PM »

Any idea why that is? I was looking forward to comparing both the 209 breech plug and the .25ACP breechplug. Also thought I would have a spare in case I ran out of 25ACP cases. $100+ is way too much to spend though. Not sure what they have to do to it but $60 even seemed high to me at first.

Sorry I now see that is only for the Prohunter not for all of them.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2006, 01:35:37 AM »

Quote from: messer454 on December 14, 2006, 04:41:15 PM

Any idea why that is? I was looking forward to comparing both the 209 breech plug and the .25ACP breechplug. Also thought I would have a spare in case I ran out of 25ACP cases. $100+ is way too much to spend though. Not sure what they have to do to it but $60 even seemed high to me at first.

Sorry I now see that is only for the Prohunter not for all of them.

At Precision Rifle, they don't have a lot of Pro-hunter breech plugs, they are hard to get a hold of, that is why they are on a swap basis. I was lucky enough to get a spare Pro-hunter breech plug so I have both the 209 and a 25 ACP breech plug for my Pro-hunter.

I would not worry about running out of 25 ACP brass, I ordered 100 of them to load primers in and I also just knock out the old primers and re-prime them. At most gun ranges you can find 25 ACP brass around.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2006, 12:58:11 AM »

Quote from: messer454 on December 14, 2006, 04:41:15 PM

Any idea why that is?

Its just another way to rip you off.

alwaysread · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2006, 02:10:07 AM »

Oldsnow.....If you've never tried any of Cecil's (PR) products then you may have overstepped a little here. I can tell you, as I'm sure a few of us in this thread can that without a doubt his breech plugs, both .22 Hornet and .25 ACP are the finest way known to touch off 100 gr. of 777! Also, his Dead Center bullets are exactly what they are called-DEAD CENTER at 100+ yds!!!

Oldsnow · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2006, 04:58:57 AM »

I don't shoot dead center bullets or triple seven powder, it is to much of hassle and it cost to much. I shoot from 130 Gr's to a max. load of Pyrodex, with Hornady 250 Gr. SST bullets and Remington clean shot primers. I have no crud ring and have killed deer at 200 + yds. It has been My experience that lead bullets don't shoot well when using over 100 Gr's of powder. When lead gets to speeds of over 2000 FPS. it becomes distorted, witch makes for poor down range accuracy.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:49:29 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow on December 17, 2006, 04:58:57 AM

I don't shoot dead center bullets or triple seven powder, it is to much of hassle and it cost to much. I shoot from 130 Gr's to a max. load of Pyrodex, with Hornady 250 Gr. SST bullets and Remington clean shot primers. I have no crud ring and have killed deer at 200 + yds. It has been My experience that lead bullets don't shoot well when using over 100 Gr's of powder. When lead gets to speeds of over 2000 FPS. it becomes distorted, witch makes for poor down range accuracy.

Quote from: Oldsnow on December 17, 2006, 04:58:57 AM

Its just another way to rip you off.

Why would you come here and give your comments when you have no experience or real interest in the product I am talking about?

This is the sort of stuff that does not need to be posted. It serves no purpose other than to irritate someone or start a Pi**ing contest.

I started this thread for informational purposes, not for your off the wall comments, if you don't like it, go some where else with your negative comments.

Tracker · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2006, 03:06:15 PM »

I have not used the new Breech plug in my Encore but the one I put in my NEF Huntsman works great. It is well worth the money I paid for it. I just bought my Encore last week and wanted to shoot it for a while before I compared it to the .25 acp conversion. With the NEF I did not have a accuracy problem but after 3 or 4 shots the Breech plug was a bear to get out. With Cecil's BP there is no problem.

messer454 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2006, 06:06:26 PM »

Thanks for the info Redhawk. I have given up on inlines twice. Once due to crud ring with full strength primers and once due to crud ring with cleanbore primers. Now that I read these posts I don't remember having any trouble with #11 or musket inlines. So I am back for one more round and will be ordering this .25acp breechplug soon.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2006, 01:54:25 AM »

Quote from: messer454 on December 17, 2006, 06:06:26 PM

Thanks for the info Redhawk. I have given up on inlines twice. Once due to crud ring with full strength primers and once due to crud ring with cleanbore primers. Now that I read these posts I don't remember having any trouble with #11 or musket inlines. So I am back for one more round and will be ordering this .25acp breechplug soon.

You may also want to try the loose triple 7. I use it 98% of the time.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2006, 05:22:45 AM »

Redhawk I am sorry that I stepped on your toes. ButI think I am qualified to comment on muzzle loaders I have been tinkering with them for over forty years. Built 6 T/C kits for my self and friends and 2 flint locks from scratch.

I have used P/R 's breach plugs, and think they are a hassle and cost to much.

At the end of the day you must clean your muzzle loader no mater what kind of breach plug you are using.
I think it is just a lot less work and cheaper if you keep the stock breach plug.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2006, 08:49:31 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow on December 18, 2006, 05:22:45 AM

Redhawk I am sorry that I stepped on your toes. ButI think I am qualified to comment on muzzle loaders I have been tinkering with them for over forty years. Built 6 T/C kits for my self and friends and 2 flint locks from scratch.

I have used P/R 's breach plugs, and think they are a hassle and cost to much.

At the end of the day you must clean your muzzle loader no mater what kind of breach plug you are using.
I think it is just a lot less work and cheaper if you keep the stock breach plug.

You don't like them that is fine by me. But I have had nothing but success with my 25 ACP set ups. So what if I want to spend my money, it is my money after all. How is the P/R "breech" plugs a hassle as you put it?

Not once have you seen anyone post that there muzzleloader with a 25 ACP "breech" plug did not need to be cleaned, just how is it any more difficult to remove a "breech" plug that uses a 209 primer or a 25 ACP primer?? It is the same. As a matter of fact, I have had to use less torque to remove my "breech" plug using the 25 ACP primers that I did the one using the 209 primer.

But as I stated before, my post was for informational porpoises.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2006, 11:30:08 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow on December 18, 2006, 05:22:45 AM

Redhawk I am sorry that I stepped on your toes. ButI think I am qualified to comment on muzzle loaders I have been tinkering with them for over forty years. Built 6 T/C kits for my self and friends and 2 flint locks from scratch.

I have used P/R 's breach plugs, and think they are a hassle and cost to much.

At the end of the day you must clean your muzzle loader no mater what kind of breach plug you are using.
I think it is just a lot less work and cheaper if you keep the stock breach plug.

Almost forgot, do you truly think that you are going to come here and convince people that use P/R's products with great success, that they are ripping people off and therefor no good?

Come on some of us know better.

AndyHass · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2006, 01:53:41 PM »

The reason for the expensive plug is that PR buys original plugs retail from T/C and simply machines the 209 cavity out to the correct size. If you had access to machine tools, you could easily do it yourself. But you'd probably ruin a few hundred dollars' worth of plugs getting it right.

T/C does not manufacture thousands of extra plugs. Cecil stated back when the .25 ACP plug first came out for the Encore/Omega that he could not buy enough plugs to keep up with demand without going to the exchange program. Now the Prohunter plug is a new design, not shared between two platforms. T/C likely has even fewer of them on hand for Cecil to buy up. So if he modifies YOUR plug, you just pay the labor, machining, Cecil for his designing the modification, and a profit margin. If you don't want to modify your plug, he WILL sell you one of the small number of new ones he probably can get but you will pay for all of the above PLUS the cost of the new plug.

C'mon Oldsnow, is that so hard to figure out?

And yes, PR bullets deform over 2000fps and lose accuracy...1800fps in some guns. PR will say not but I have tested most of them and agree with you. Between that and the cost I shoot the 200gr Shockwave now.

Oldsnow · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2006, 06:17:41 PM »

The cost is not so much in the breach plug as it is in cases, primers and what a person must buy in order to prime the cases.

The hassle is priming the cases and cleaning them when they need cleaned.

A person can spend their money any way they like. I don't think that a PR breach plug is worth the extra cost and hassle, to eliminate blow back and a dirty breach. I got my Encore eight year ago and it didn't matter what breach plug I shot, at the end of the day I must clean my rifle.

Good night gentelman it is bed time.

messer454 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 18, 2006, 07:10:19 PM »

Cleaning the muzzleloader is not the issue with me. It is second shot loading. I have shot two different Omega's, a Huntsman, and a CVA Optima and all of these rifles had such a bad crud ring with Pyrodex pellets and 777 pellets that I could not push the second shot all the way down. And that was with 2 pellets, not 3.

I am willing to clean between shots for accuracy but when I am hunting I need to know that the second shot will go all the way down on the powder. Since I got the cleenbore 209 primers it was still bad with 777 pellets but not as bad. I switched to 777 powder, which is really expensive in my opinion, and it is better loading.

As a reloader I already have everything I need to mess with the .25 ACP cases so it seems like no real hassle to me. Tried to call today, the phone was busy all three times. Will try tomorrow.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 19, 2006, 02:11:52 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow on December 18, 2006, 06:17:41 PM

The cost is not so much in the breach plug as it is in cases, primers and what a person must buy in order to prime the cases.

The hassle is priming the cases and cleaning them when they need cleaned.

A person can spend their money any way they like. I don't think that a PR breach plug is worth the extra cost and hassle, to eliminate blow back and a dirty breach. I got my Encore eight year ago and it didn't matter what breach plug I shot, at the end of the day I must clean my rifle.

Good night gentelman it is bed time.

I don't have to buy 209 primers, I use small rifle primers so there is a trade off. You can order 25 ACP cases from midway USA cheap and never have to buy them again. Being a reloader, I already had a universal de- capping die and I already had a Lee hand priming tool. The only other thing I needed was a shell holder to de- cap the cases.
I have shot some of the 25 ACP cases 5 times before I stuck them in my tumbler to clean.

I have seen first hand how the 25 ACP breech plug has improved my accuracy and the lack of crud ring and the ability to shoot 20 times without cleaning my barrel right away at the range.

I clean my M/L after I shot it, even if it is only one time. But when I am at the range I don't have to swab the barrel after every shot either.

Busta · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2006, 08:27:57 AM »

Quote from: Oldsnow on December 18, 2006, 06:17:41 PM

The cost is not so much in the breach plug as it is in cases, primers and what a person must buy in order to prime the cases.

The hassle is priming the cases and cleaning them when they need cleaned.

A person can spend their money any way they like. I don't think that a PR breach plug is worth the extra cost and hassle, to eliminate blow back and a dirty breach. I got my Encore eight year ago and it didn't matter what breach plug I shot, at the end of the day I must clean my rifle.

Good night gentelman it is bed time.

For me, the .25 ACP is less expensive and less hassle than shooting a Knight with the RED Full Plastic Jackets. Even if I throw each one away after using it. Of course, I already have the equipment for loading the brass, and with a primer feeder, much faster than the Knight Full Plastic Jackets. I can load a couple hundred in just a few minutes, would take a couple days to load the red things.

There is virtually no blowback with the .25 ACP, show me a 209 shooter with no blowback. $:-\$ One that you can remove the spent primer with one finger that is? The NEF Huntsman/Sidekicks are nice little rifles, with a .25 ACP plug, they are outstanding little rifles. My .25 ACP plug was worth every penny.

If the .25 ACP ignition would work in all my muzzleloaders, it would be there. My Whites and Knights are plunger guns. T/C is sidelock.

ourway77 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 27, 2006, 05:05:09 AM »

Busta, you brought up a good point, The White rifles are one of the easiest to load, and the #11 caps are more than sufficient to ignite any powder or pellets, my opinion is 209's are over kill. As far as as the 25 ACP conversion I love mine and I bought 500 25 ACP cases, if I loose them fine if I recover them fine. I have never had to resize mine, I clean them then reload. The old saying one mans fancy one mans hate. After reaching the age of 70 I really like constructive remarks. Lou