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Offline El Lobo

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Multiple Ball Load?
« on: December 13, 2006, 02:59:01 PM »
Hey Guys,

Anyone ever used multiple ball loads.....instead of one 400 grain projectile, use .......say....3 round balls of approximately the same combined weight?    There's a fellow named James Gates who's selling a lot 12 guage ammo with three 12 guage balls right now.

Comments......experiences?

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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2006, 04:32:08 PM »
This topic comes up from time to time...usually for traditional muzzleloaders...Years ago they would double their charge and double ball...that's where "loaded for bear came from"....Its a bad idea...Not needed with todays projectiles...Stick with what the manufacture's recommend....Every time you load a muzzleloader you are basically making a pipe bomb....Too much lead on one end might make the other end, end up in your face...

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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 05:47:00 PM »
the doubl charge  double ball  was a way of proof testing a muzzler  loader not a good idea. some smooth bores were loaded with buck and ball   one bore size ball and 3smaler ones used during the war between the states   when you were hunting bear with a smooth bore you loaded   with a patched round  ball and a heavy powder charge   loaded for bear
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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2006, 12:57:49 AM »
I have to agree with flintlock  and wgr. Not a good idea and not needed with today's projectiles.
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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2006, 11:16:23 AM »
Well Guys,

I'd had in mind a standard powder charge, and 3-4 balls (totaling a standard weight conical) in a sleeve or cup  like the one you'd load shot into for a shotgun reload.

I'm not advocating an over charge of powder!!

Here in the mountains of north eastern West Virginia, I frequently hunt in laurel and rhododendron thickets where a single projectile might well end up in the trunk of a plant as you watch your deer going over the ridge.

Sorry.....had not meant to cause a ruckus!
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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 11:45:58 AM »
El Lobo, where you at in West Virginia?  I bought 20 Acers a while back and hunt on it. I am about 7 miles west of Romney.
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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2006, 01:49:17 PM »
no ruckus   cause just dont  want to  see anyone hurt  what your saying might workut i would have to question the groups  and range you would get  you would be diaviding the shot weight  and over all stoping power  but who knows  might work let us know
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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 12:42:52 PM »
Redhawk,

I live on the Patomac Highlands in Preston County......I'm about fifteen miles west of the Maryland border and twenty miles south of the Pennsylvania border in a little town called Kingwood.  We're a very rural area......I don't think there are more than  half a dozen stop lights in the whole county! 

I'd been reading James Gates website

http://www.dixieslugs.com/order.html

his Tri-Ball load......three 60 cal ball in a 12 guage hull at 1150 fps is the basis for my post.  He's said he'll curtail some of his other loads because he can't keep up with the Tri-Ball orders!!  It seemed to me that a similar load could be safely done with blackpowder.

Anyway...it's always good to have knowledgeable folk to ask!!!  ;D

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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2006, 05:24:09 AM »
When I started into muzzleloading, in 1980, the only info available was the Dixie catalog. In there, they suggested that you proof test your new Dixie muzzleloader, with an overcharge of powder [I can't remember how much], and two balls.
So, I did this with my new  .50 TC Hawken. I can't recall, might have been 100 grains of powder and 2 balls, each with its own patch.
As Dixie recommended, I braced the gun in a tire, a pulled the trigger with a 50 foot string.
No problem.
Well, I got into deer hunting, and had killed a few deer with this gun. I got the idea of shooting two balls at the deer. I figured it would hit harder. Not that I had any trouble killing a deer with a single ball; in fact; the .490 round ball was a great deer killer. I was just experimenting.
I was using 80 grains of powder, and two balls. At the range, it was surprisingly accurate. The two balls would hit about 2 or 3 inches apart, on a 50 yard shot. It was still hitting close to the point of aim.
I figured it would be pretty effective on a 50 yard shot.
I tried a few shots at 100, the balls were pretty far apart at that range.
I never took this load into the woods, as I did not want to try a 100 yard shot with this load.
The .50 round ball weighs about 174 grains. If your rifle is designed to handle a 350 grain slug, there is no reason you couldn't shoot two round balls. If you try it, do not increase the powder. Generally with a big lead conical, you will reduce the powder.
As for the idea of taking a brush shot, because one ball might hit a tree, I don't like it. If one ball might hit the deer, and one might hit a tree, it is just as likely that one ball will hit a tree, and the other ball will hit the guts.
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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2006, 06:12:48 AM »
lobo  is it legal to use oobuck there if so just use that.  but if you have to try multiple balls   i would use a wad over powder and a wad over shot  if its a 50 its a 35gauge so you can buy the wads pre cut
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Re: Multiple Ball Load?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2006, 04:55:58 PM »
Thanks guys,  I do appreciate the input!!

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