Author Topic: 9 wolves shot durring deer season (aledgedly) (Read 4597 times)

379 Peterbilt · « **on:** December 13, 2006, 11:32:18 PM »

9 wolves were (supposedly) shot durring deer season, covering 8 counties. One of the guys (supposedly) turned his accidental shooting in himself and got a $300 fine.

You guys have likely heard this by now, as it's all over the 'net. I was gonna cut/paste a story, But damn, I just dont have time to "verify" all the facts...so we'll just go with it for arguements sake, and trust this. Can any of our professional columnists here add anything?

Wisconsin DNR wolf management plan call for 350 of these mutts, but the feds have the DNR's hands tied, and we have (supposedly) 500+ by some accounts.

To me, it appears like guys are taking matters into their own hands per predator control. I've also heard that the Timber Wolf Alliance of Ashland is offering a $4000 reward (supposedly) for information leading to the conviction of anyone involved in killing a wolf during the deer hunt. The maximum state fine for intentionally killing a wolf is $5,000, and federal convictions carry fines up to $100,000, (supposedly)

What do y'all say..

steve · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2006, 01:14:17 AM »

Nine wolves being shot no loss. One of the DNR's idea to bring the wolves back in Wis. I classify the wolves with the coyote's. Open season along with turkeys.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2006, 02:18:36 AM »

I classify wolves as a larger target than a coyote, easier to hit, and also blame them for lower deer numbers and the failure of the Clam Lake elk project.

D-Do
N-Nothing
R-Right

Cheese

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2006, 02:59:16 AM »

Steve,

Agree with all that, well said.. (but the state/DNR never 're-introduced' wolves - Rather they migrated from Minn)

Cheese,

More agreement. I have been wanting to see the Clam Lake elk herd go bizzerk, population wise, but obviously they have stalled numbers wise. Many factors at play here on that, not all the wolf to blame, but they certainly are not helping.

The DNR's hands are tied right now. It is the feds to blame right now

jh45gun · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2006, 07:26:03 AM »

Well ya can blame the damn tree huggers too that reward from Ashland shows that. Bunch of fruits over there from Northland College I would suppose.

Yea while the DNR brought in the Fisher and the Turkey ( I have nothing against Turkeys think they are cool birds) I am not that big on Fisher's and Definately on Wolves. 379 Peterbuilt is right the Wolves Came over from MN. Figures!

If they did shoot 9 wolves all I can say is that is a GOOD START!

Nixter · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2006, 07:35:19 AM »

Report a wolf shooting and the DNR wets their pants and falls all over themselves to catch the Bad Guy.

Report six deer carcasses dumped on the side of the road in a State Forest and mention that they were patially butchered and the DNR yawns and says, Yup it happens all the time.

Perhaps I'll try and write more about the above event in Notebook and post it, but being 'puter impaired it might be awhile to do it.

Nixter

Ps. Sorry for straying off-topic

Syncerus · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2006, 07:40:22 AM »

Well done.

steve · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2006, 07:42:31 AM »

Should send them back to Minn.. Years back our local warden brought in some turkeys I wasn't very happy with him when he did that. My family and I were making a deer drive in one section only 3 deer came out and 80 turkeys that why it is open season in my woods for turkeys. Been seeing alot more fishers around the area. Talking with one neighbor he had seen a bobcat the other day I would just like to see one and try to take a picture.

jh45gun · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2006, 07:47:39 AM »

I think Turkeys and Deer can coexist can't they? They do other places as far as I know. The only thing I have heard of deer hunters being mad at Turkeys is the Turkeys eat the Deer Corn. (Bait)

gutshot_again · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2006, 08:35:26 AM »

I saw a wolf about 3 miles south of 64 this year in Dunn county. I didn't know they were this far south, and didn't believe my eyes. When I mentionded it to the farmer whose land I was on he said they had a sighting of a wolf beginning of Nov in the area. So guess I'm not crazy after all. Hmm.... wonder if that's why I didn't see the deer I normally do. Farmer wanted to know why I didn't shoot it.

When the DNR brought in the elk around Clam Lake I thought that perhaps I would have a chance to hunt elk here in WI in my lifetime. With the wolves I don't think that will ever happen. As for the tree huggers - should put a couple wolves in a pen with a deer and make them watch the wolves kill and eat it. Maybe they would change thier mind.

None of the farmers around here like turkeys. Some say they chase the deer off, all say they destroy thier corn fields. Had the farmer this year want me to shoot all the turkeys I could and said if I didn't want them, just let them lay. I just can't bring myself to do that, so I don't. He said a deer will eat the corn, but only take what they eat. A turkey will knock down 5 or 6 plants and eat one. It's only the mudducks that moved out here, or bought parcels of hunting land that think they're great. Personally I don't have a problem witht them, but they're not destroying my crops either.

miketraps · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2006, 01:14:34 PM »

ran a wolf last year with buddies hounds in n. dunn co, trap fisher in burnett and can say that i see numerous tracks each and every year in both areas that tell me the wolves are expanding their area all the time, please keep shooting them and protect what we have left

jh45gun · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2006, 07:58:56 PM »

Saw in the Duluth NewsTribune Outdoors section that this happened and yea the tree huggers from ashland and others have a reward out.

Should have a reward on the tree huggers

NONYA · « **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2006, 02:31:32 AM »

people seem to have forgotten the reason they were shot/trapped/poisoned/bountyed out in the first place,they kill EVERYTHING they can catch and they reproduce at an outstanding rate,the enviros like em because they will eventually take the hunter out of the game control buisness.There have always been wolvs here in MT i have seen them or thier sign since i can remember yet they clain they were EXTINCT in the lower 48.I wish we had more people willing to shoot them out here,maybe then the feds would get the message and run out of money to keep dropping them in.

Nixter · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2006, 09:14:17 AM »

Perhaps there is a correlation between what Nonya has posted and the story I alluded to ealier.

The DNR isn't made up of hunters and people dedicated to protecting the resources hunters rely on.

IE: let the wolf population multiply and the deer herd get reduced without those awful hunters.

Makes sense to me by the lackadaisical attitude towards a report of deer poaching in the boundaries of a State Forest. Six deer carcasses partially butchered and dumped on the side of the road. Two of them definitely overnight, report to Forest Headquarters and they say it happens all the time. Yawn...please take our flyer on the Eastern Ash Borer, it's our most pressing issue right now...

I think Nonya's statement was" the enviros like em because they will eventually take the hunter out of the game control buisness"

Do we need more hunter/fishermen/outdoorsmen in the DNR? Temper the statistics from a state agency with real life observation and experience?

Yeah, right....

Nixter

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:08:59 PM »

As I've said, the DNR aint the problem, as they only call for about 350 wolves in their master plan (statewide). It is the FEDS and the COURTS that have the DNR's hands tied right now. The Animal "rights" _____'s are the fuel behind all this.

NONYA nailed it with his post. There is another good read here in the Wisconsin forum. I posted it awhile back.

And yes, the dicks who cut the antlers off those deer and dumped the carcass's in the ditch are some pretty dispicable folks. I'd rate them quite a few rungs below the folks who shot the wolves. YEP, you read that right.

SDS-GEN · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:02:05 PM »

I agree with what NONYA said. There is a reason the big predators were killed off in the lower 48. I'm not for the extermination of a species (Is PETA a species?) but I certainly don't want to see wolves or grizzlies here in the farm country. The biggest problem is, as has been said before, people who live on the cities pass laws governing those who live in the country. The farther one gets from the ground the less respect one has for it. Ask a city kid where meat comes from, likely as not he'll tell you the grocery store. And water comes from the faucet. The situation is bad now but 20 years from now where will we stand. Someone in New York, Chicago or Washington DC doesn't have to worry about a cow, their dog or their kid getting eaten by a wild animal, and the sickest thing is bunny hugger organizations, like HSUS or WWF want animals to have more rights than people (this isn't an exageration)and these are the same organizations that are banning dove, bear and lion hunts all over the country.

ihookem · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:29:57 PM »

Did all the wolves that were shot have collaers on? I'm sure there were more than nine shot. So many hunters saw wolves this deer season. I heard a few 17 miles west of Phillips the other night when hunting late season bow, but that was the first time in a few years. Dnr says we have 1500 bobcats in Wisconsin but I see a lot more wolf tracks than bobcat tracks. Also, why is the dnr (department of no results) so bothered by wolves being shot? And why are they so conservative about the wolf population? I don't get it. I have also been hearing quiet stories about local wardens saying they will look the other way, or it's not my problem, or make sure it doesn't have a collar on. So it seem a lot of wardens are at odds with the state.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:30:53 PM »

SDS-GEN ,

Dang, you nailed that to a T.

So true

Good point on the HSUS, as they are indeed the enemy to us folks who represent the good ways & traditions of this country.

For those unfamiliar with the term HSUS , please google it. You will be enlightened

banen · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2007, 09:30:07 AM »

Quote from: jh45gun on December 14, 2006, 07:47:39 AM

I think Turkeys and Deer can coexist can't they? They do other places as far as I know. The only thing I have heard of deer hunters being mad at Turkeys is the Turkeys eat the Deer Corn. (Bait)

I don't get it either why turkeys would be a problem. I have been hoping they would become more previlant in Vilas so I could hunt them. I use to really enjoy turkey hunting in Oklahoma when I was a kid. It isn't quite as cool as deer hunting but the closest thing you can do in the spring when you have a long time to wait for fall.

1sourdough · « **Reply #19 on:** January 10, 2007, 12:21:57 AM »

It has been my belief for a while that wolves have and will run against 'social carrying capacity' limits. I don't condone illegal activity but eventually some will say "I've had enough". The pro wolf anti-hunting types will never support a wolf season. If one ever came it would only be after years of court fights. If allowed it would only be a token few anyway. I noticed some group from DC had some money offered for a reward on some Midwest wolf deaths awhile back. They back the wolf so they can replace the hunters(us). This one guy in the U.P. called the DNR while a wolf was in his yard about to kill his dog. The dog was killed & I forget if the wolf was still on the scene or not. How many people are going to put up with that?
At least deer hunting brings in money in all sorts of ways. Nothing personal against wolves, there just being wolves.

gutshot_again · « **Reply #20 on:** January 10, 2007, 07:15:42 AM »

Saw a great bumper sticker this morning on the commute.

Wisconsin Wolves
Smoke a pack today

NONYA · « **Reply #21 on:** January 10, 2007, 07:09:00 PM »

forget the phone pick up a GUN

ihookem · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2007, 06:06:46 AM »

A little off the subject but you might want to know that one was killed by a car near Green Bay last week. One less but the car was smashed up pretty good.

Lead pot · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2007, 03:56:01 AM »

The wolf has found his way down here in Illinois, I have seen them just west of me and others have spotted them.
Confronting the DNR with this and there lips are sealed.
As far as Turkeys, If you find turkeys you find Deer, I have turkeys digging grubs in my yard and Deer eating my apples and grapes side by side.

Kurt

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2007, 10:07:18 AM »

You saw wolves in Illinios???

And what did the Ill DNR do/say???

Lead pot · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2007, 10:41:08 AM »

Sure nuff did.
I haven't seen a Wolf in Illinois since back in 1956 or so.
The DNR said OH yeah and that was it.

I talked to a guy that runs dogs after Koy dogs and he spotted a pair.

Kurt

SDS-GEN · « **Reply #26 on:** February 21, 2007, 10:52:40 AM »

The Illinois regs book this year has a half page warning about shooting a wolf instead of a coyote. Wonder why they put that in there? Its no big secret that there are mountain lions in IL, but any time an animal gets torn up the verdict is always the same "not sure what could have done this". In the county I live in the game warden told me she investigated a horse that had claw marks all over it, the Il state university lab said that the evidence was inconclusive as to what animal could have done this. Come on it wasn't a dog, a bear maybe? Certainly not a bob cat. They just refused to give the obvious answer because if it becomes a problem they will have to fess up that they knew about it and kept it from the public. The DNR claims the wolves occasionally come down from northern WI, MN and MI.

buck460XVR · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2007, 07:58:55 AM »

The wolves are eatin' all our deer and elk?

More urban myths......deer/elk coexisted with wolves for thousands of years and never were even close to being wiped out until man showed up. You guys are just kidding yourselves.....we have the largest deer herd ever here in Wisconsin(I know...

... another DNR lie). Just another excuse for poor hunters not seeing deer. Very similiar to the "damn herons are eatin all the trout out of the streams" or "The Crested Cormorants are whats responsible for the demise of the Lake Michigan perch fishery" or this one...."Between the eagles and the indians there aint no walleyes left in northern Wisconsin....". Those that are unsuccessful have to find an excuse.

I live on the southern edge of a coupla packs range (they travel from the Necedah FWR thru Meadow Valley and the Black River State Forest to Fort Mc Coy and back) and have seen only a couple. Yes, there have been incidents of dogs being killed and a few livestock losses, but the owners were reimbursed even tho they may have been partialy at fault....as far as deer are concerned, they generally pick off the old and the sick and don't kill nearly as many as cars do.....maybe we should do away with them also.

I am not in favor of a huge and uncontroled number of wolves in the state, but I think they have their place in the wild. The number of deer shot every year even in years of record or near record harvests are still under the goals set by the DNR.......sounds like there's plenty to go around. As far as fishers are concerned, my bird dogs have had confrontations with Porcupines nearly every time I have taken them out on public land for the last 10 years........and the damage those porky's are doing to the trees is outragous.....I say lets bring in a few more fishers to help get the porcupine #s in check.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2007, 09:15:48 AM »

The Wisconsin DNR wolf management plan calls for 350-400. I am for seeing the DNR do whatever it takes to keep the wolf numbers right at that.

Further, I'll add that many hunters who closely follow the tactics of PETA, DOW, FOA, & HSUS will always be more slanted towards being anti wolf. Anyone who knows the ways and means of these groups knows prezactly what I am talking about.

Four hundred wolfs in this state is fine with me. Four thousand isn't

Lets alow hunters to kill wolves that are "sick" and "old". Hahaaaaaaaaaaaha

jrfrmn · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2007, 08:41:08 AM »

Quote from: Lead pot on February 21, 2007, 03:56:01 AM

The wolf has found his way down here in Illinois, I have seen them just west of me and others have spotted them.
Confronting the DNR with this and there lips are sealed.
As far as Turkeys, If you find turkeys you find Deer, I have turkeys digging grubs in my yard and Deer eating my apples and grapes side by side.

Kurt Where in Illinois? I haven't seen any,but was always curious if they are here. www.wizzard235@msn.com