Author Topic: Fragile System Balance.. (Read 1815 times)

S.S. · « **on:** December 14, 2006, 02:07:56 AM »

I am placing a headline from yahoo In this thread to make a point.

“Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson (news, bio, voting record) was in critical condition early Thursday, recovering from emergency surgery overnight, a hospital official said.”

“Apart from the risk to his health, Johnson's illness carried political ramifications. Democrats emerged from last month's elections with a 51-49 Senate majority. If he were forced to relinquish his seat, a replacement would be named by South Dakota's GOP Gov. Mike Rounds.”

The point being that this one man having an illness could literally change the face of politics in the entire world. If he is not able to return to work the Republicans will most likely retain control of the Senate. Although South Dakota’s Gov will probably have to forfeit his career to do it. Don’t get me wrong, I wish this man all the best, and a quick recovery.. But it just interests me how fragile our system is. I wonder if he knows what is hanging in the balance right now.
May God bless him and his family.

30-30man · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2006, 02:47:10 AM »

I think he had a stroke and the last I heard this morning, he was in critical condition. I hope he recovers. The country seems to do better with a blalnce of power b/t a Republican president and a Democratic Congress.

powderman · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2006, 03:20:42 AM »

I'm sorry to see him in bad health, but a dumcrap controlled congress, or anything else is definitely not good for America. The dumcrap party is morally bankrupt. POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2006, 11:08:43 AM »

The Republicans have financially bankrupted America. Anyone looked at the deficit recently?

The Republicans under Bush never saw an infringement on our rights that they said "no" to.

I wonder why anyone votes for either party.

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2006, 11:50:30 AM »

Quote from: nabob on December 14, 2006, 11:08:43 AM

The Republicans have financially bankrupted America. Anyone looked at the deficit recently?

The Republicans under Bush never saw an infringement on our rights that they said "no" to.

I wonder why anyone votes for either party.

Because a vote for a 3rd party is a wasted vote. POWDERMAN.

nabob · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2006, 12:18:50 PM »

Based on the results we've been getting, I guess that it is no more wasted than the bozos that get elected. Seems like any vote for a Democrat OR as Republican is wasted, based on performance of each.

Thought you were "through" with me, powderman? Guess that didn't last long, eh?

jimster · « **Reply #6 on:** December 14, 2006, 12:43:42 PM »

I have to agree with nabob...I see little difference these days in either party, poor performance for both...

I'd like to see them all drug out to the street...and start over from scratch. Our fore fathers would have taken care of this long ago.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 14, 2006, 02:16:13 PM »

As the old saying goes. "God works in mysterious ways."

ironglow · « **Reply #8 on:** December 14, 2006, 03:32:01 PM »

TM7..

Have you forgotten that Sen. Paul Coverdell (R, Ga.) died in July 2000 and the then Democrat governor of Georgia appointed a Democrat to fill his position in the senate...when actually, the electorate voted a Republican to that seat !

Democrat luminaries such as Tom Daschle ( D, SD ) among others, hailed that replacement as a good choice !

Although we may not like partisan acts, it's not our choice..it's the gov's choice, and he has Georguia's precedent to guide him !

Certainly don't wish any more bad news for the Johnson family...hope he has a complete recovery.

nabob · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2006, 10:56:24 PM »

Fascinating to see even one man's fight for his life be viewed by Republicans as an opportunity. Kinda sickening.

ironglow · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2006, 12:44:05 AM »

Yeah Nabob;

Kinda like that " pep rally " that was held by the Democrats up in Minnesota at the wake of Paul Wellstone, that very liberal senator of theirs that was killed in a plane crash..

nabob · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2006, 01:44:17 AM »

So you agree that Republicans are acting in a disgusting manner by doing the same thing?

Glad we agree on something.

Or were you somehow trying to make the point that since Democrats sometimes act in a sickening manner, we shouldn't be too surprised if Republicans are similarly disgusting?

If so, then we agree again.

Of course, if you were trying to explain away the Republican behavior by saying "they did it too, Mommy!" then we don't agree.

jh45gun · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2006, 06:24:31 AM »

Nabob as usual your off base it is more the liberal media making the issue of what may or may not happen then what any Republican has been saying.

jh45gun · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2006, 06:26:22 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on December 15, 2006, 12:44:05 AM

Yeah Nabob;

Kinda like that " pep rally " that was held by the Democrats up in Minnesota at the wake of Paul Wellstone, that very liberal senator of theirs that was killed in a plane crash..

Yep the Republicans will never top that one!

Liberals What a bunch of morons!

TrenchMud · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2006, 06:49:06 AM »

More fragile than I ever thought ! The U.S. economy almost collapsed from the World Trade Center attacks. I never would have thought those several City Blocks were cornerstones of the U.S. Economy. It still has not recovered!

nabob · « **Reply #15 on:** December 15, 2006, 09:34:11 AM »

Wrong again, jh45gun. This quote from powderman

Quote

I'm sorry to see him in bad health, but a dumcrap controlled congress, or anything else is definitely not good for America. The dumcrap party is morally bankrupt.

indicates a Republican that is interested in what it could mean for continued Republican control in Congress. Unless, of course, you think powderman is part of the liberal media. He could be, I guess.

jh45gun · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2006, 07:42:59 AM »

Wake up Nabob it is the Liberal Media that is making a issue of this as they cannot stand any thing Republican or Conservative. If it was not for the media it would be a blip on the radar screen.

DWTim · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2006, 08:31:40 AM »

I don't think this portends a fragile system. Anyway, Senate Republicans and Democrats are nearly indistinguishable to me.

Even if we concede that this would change the nature of the Senate, all spending originates in the house, and that is clearly in the control of one party. Even if they gang up, The President has veto power. Even if the President rubber stamps bills, the Judiciary has a say from the top, and down to the minor courts.

And if we were in any way intent on adhering to the spirit of the Constitution, the states' general assemblies would scoff at ridiculous things like bills that grant powers not assigned to the federal government, and would object to things like the federal government's direct taxation of individual citizens in sovereign states.

...Oh sorry - I allowed myself to drift into fantasy on that last part.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2006, 12:25:31 PM »

As in MN when god voted against Welfarestone. I didn't lose any sleep over his passing and I won't lose any if this guy passes.

nabob · « **Reply #19 on:** December 18, 2006, 12:31:44 PM »

I think billy_56801's post pretty much answers your observation, jh45gun. Here we see partisan politics at its ugliest. Paul Wellstone's death is viewed as God getting involved in American politics and indifference is shown to a man's possible death because of his political persuasion. If that doesn't sicken you, nothing will.

Still think it is all a plot by the media? I don't think billy is a liberal and he seems to be proving my point fairly nicely.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:26:54 PM »

I'm not much for the repub's either except they are the lesser of 2 evils. I CAN't control god. Either can the Republicans. I just pointed out that gods will doesn't cause me to lose sleep.

jh45gun · « **Reply #21 on:** December 18, 2006, 06:25:23 PM »

Well to be honest I thought Wellstone was a nutcase even by MN standards! I did not loose any sleep over his passing either though it was sad that the others had to go with him.

nabob · « **Reply #22 on:** December 18, 2006, 10:42:35 PM »

Actually, billy, what you said was that God "voted" on Wellstone. I'd say that was pretty clear. God, according to you, involved himself in American politics by killing a liberal.

The fact that for both you and jh45gun, a person's death is inconsequential as long as he is a liberal, is fairly sickening.

jh45gun · « **Reply #23 on:** December 19, 2006, 08:04:49 AM »

Quote from: nabob on December 18, 2006, 10:42:35 PM

Actually, billy, what you said was that God "voted" on Wellstone. I'd say that was pretty clear. God, according to you, involved himself in American politics by killing a liberal.

The fact that for both you and jh45gun, a person's death is inconsequential as long as he is a liberal, is fairly sickening.

No that is not what I said I said he was a nut case and that I did not loose any sleep over his death never said inconsequental at all there you go again putting words in folks mouths and not knowing what they mean.

nabob · « **Reply #24 on:** December 19, 2006, 09:21:12 AM »

Well, you might be jumping the gun a bit, jh45gun, as usual.

My response wasn't to you but "billy" as in "billy_56081".

Perhaps my posts, jh45gun, to you should have a warning "read closely before flying off handle"? Lots of people die that I don't lose any sleep over. Jeffrey Dahmer comes to mind. However, since you never said anything about how God supposedly "voted", I don't see how you could conclude that I was speaking to you, jh45gun. While I agree with absolutely nothing you've said on any subject that comes to mind, on this subject your comments haven't been objectionable.

jh45gun · « **Reply #25 on:** December 19, 2006, 10:15:57 AM »

Since you so thoughtfully included my name in the post

I felt I had to respond!

If you were not addressing me then my name should have not been included.

nabob · « **Reply #26 on:** December 19, 2006, 11:30:19 AM »

The first line, which includes the word "billy" is obviously addressed to "billy"

The second line, which includes both "billy" and "jh45gun" is obviously addressed to "billy" and "jh45gun".

I don't know how much clearer it can get, unless basic reading skills are not in your repertoire. The part addressed to "billy" is clearly identified and the part referencing both of you is also clearly identified. You really need to read a bit before flying off the handle, friend.

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:42:25 PM »

JH45GUN. Pay no attention to nabob, he just likes to argue. He'll read 2 words, then make up his own story. He intentionally turns others statements around to suit his agenda. POWDEMAN.

jh45gun · « **Reply #28 on:** December 19, 2006, 08:46:45 PM »

Your right Powderman if he is not in the media he should be!

victorcharlie · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2006, 03:08:06 AM »

Lesser of the two evils........hummm.......

Hopefully, the libertarians will have a viable candidate and we can vote for liberty and not the UN loving, government agency creating, deficit running, illegal immigrant assisting, fasist, socialist that both parties, and the courts now embrace.......

I've got to agree with nabob.......while the Republicans are the lesser of the two evils, I see both parties headed for the same goal, just one runs the ball to the left side of the line, and the other runs the ball to the right side of the line.........but they're both headed to the same goal.

The goal is world socialism, the elimination of the middle class, and the enslavement of labor.

You want to see how much liberty you have? Go burn a brush pile in you back yard without a burn permit..........

Gun control.....IMO...the affluent will always own guns......government regulation has and will make guns less affordable to the masses. The gun control act of 1968 and the classification of cheap handguns as "saturday night specials" started the trend and denied hand guns to the economically disadvantaged.

Just look at the OJ case......you have as much liberty and justice as you can buy........