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Offline Cheesehead

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recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« on: December 16, 2006, 04:15:01 AM »
Some time ago I bought a 900 round pack of Czech 8mm Mauser ammo. It is corrosive primed and has a very high rate of misfires. I bought the ammo to feed my two Mauser rifles and my brothers each have a Mauser. Thought I would be a good time but with the misfire rate it was actually annoying. So I disassembled some rounds for closer examination. The bullet is a 196 grain non magnetic boat tail design and the powder weighs in at an average of 43 grains. Last night I disassembled over 100 rounds in less than 1 hour. I did some math and realized I will salvage over 5.5 pounds of powder, not to forget almost 900 bullets, the corrosive berdan primed brass goes in the garbage. At today's prices the value of the recovered powder and bullets is almost 200 bucks. I know it sounds labor intensive but I am determined to salvage something from my poor investment. I have a quantity of 8mm Remington brass I will use for cautious reassembly of the salvaged components. Anyone else try this?

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Re: recycleing 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2006, 05:48:27 AM »
I have in the past. I would check the weight of the Czech cases against the weight of the Remington brass to see if they are roughly the same. If the Czech cases are heavier than the Remington cases, then they have less internal volume and the pressures would be lower in the Remington brass for the same amount of powder. If the Remington brass is much heavier, you might want to reduce the powder charge weight a grain or so to keep chamber pressure the same. As long as you are pulling ammo from a sealed case, the powder lot and therefore the charge weight should be the same from round to round. You may want to experiment a little and find a reduced load that is accurate and a little more fun to shoot. I have used about 26 grains of powder salvaged from 1950's Yugo 8mm (44.2 grs avg. charge weight) and Remington 185-gr. spirepoints for a 100-yard load that was the most accurate load I ever fired in my rifle. M.V. was about 1580 fps and extreme spread was about 15 fps. You might also want to consider getting a collet bullet puller to help in disassembling the ammo. Those hammer-type pullers will wear you out. As long as you didn't spend $200 for the ammo, it wasn't a poor investment: more like lemons into lemonade. Post your results.   

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2006, 11:20:19 AM »
Berdan

You have made some good points to consider. Thank You

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2006, 11:37:18 AM »
I do this with the Czech mil-surplus 7.62X54 ammo.  It doesn't shoot worth a crap in any of my M/N's.  The powder works well in several of my reloads.  At the price of bullets and powder I thought about buying some more of it just for this purpose.  My RCBS bullet puller makes quick work of it.  I hate to hear about the brass going to waste though.   :'(

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2006, 04:38:52 AM »
Jack

The brass is not out the door yet. I am unsure about depriming berdan primers,  not to mention live ones. I would like to try it if I knew more about the process and the availability of new berdan primers.

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 08:26:18 AM »
If I were going to try to use the original cases, I would pop as many as would fire in my rifle and junk the rest. You can buy a Berdan decapping tool from RCBS or use a very sharp awl or ice pick to pry out the spent primers. You can decap both live and spent primers using hydraulics, but I haven't had much luck doing it that way. The real problem is going to be locating the primers. Old West Scrounger used to carry RWS primers, but they were over twice as expensive as Boxer primers. I figured out that I could buy 100 Boxer cases and 1000 Boxer primers and still be ahead of the game. PMC was importing Russian-made Berdan primers for a short time, then stopped. I never saw any locally and tried to get local reps to order them without success. Someone else on the boards might know something I don't, however. Also, don't forget that the standard Berdan primer is larger than the .217" large Boxer primer and you might have to modify your priming tool slightly to accomodate it. Check your firing pin spring; it may be a little weak. I replaced mine with a 21-lb. spring and that really improved matters. If your Czech ammo is like the stuff I used to have, it had some really hard primers. One more thing to check: The 1950's Czech I had was loaded with their copy of the German S.m.E., a 181-gr. boat-tailed steel core bullet.

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 09:00:54 AM »
Jack

The brass is not out the door yet. I am unsure about depriming berdan primers,  not to mention live ones. I would like to try it if I knew more about the process and the availability of new berdan primers.

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I just ordered me 4000 of the Berdan primers about a week ago.  To me a steady supply is the biggest problem when it comes to reloading the Berdan primed brass.  Don't let anyone fool you, it really isn't very hard to do.  4000 Berdan primers cost me $112.00 to my door.  It's true that reloading the Berdan primed brass is a little more work but I enjoy doing it.  I refuse to let that good brass go to waste.


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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2006, 09:03:23 AM »
You can decap both live and spent primers using hydraulics, but I haven't had much luck doing it that way.



That's the way I do it.  It's simple and easy.

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2006, 09:14:35 AM »
Also, don't forget that the standard Berdan primer is larger than the .217" large Boxer primer and you might have to modify your priming tool slightly to accomodate it.




The Berdan primers I use are the .217's.  They are just slightly larger than my Boxer large rifle primers I use and I use a Lee 4 hole turrent press and have no trouble priming the Berdan cases without any modifications.  I had almost 1000 Berdan primers left when I ordered the 4000 more so they will last me a while.

Reloading Berdan primed brass is not for everyone, but I really enjoy doing it.  For those that are interested Berdan primers can be found at www.brassmanbrass.com.  He doesn't have the primers listed on his website so you have to call him at (702)  645-7542.  He was a nice person to do business with.

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 08:39:50 AM »
Berdan decappping tools are available but many years ago I made one that worked pretty well .
Take a block of wood and drill a hole through it that is slightly smaller diameter than whatever case you intend to pull the primers from (I used a foot long piece of a 4x4).
then on one end of the wood run a pointed screw through until it has the point and a few threads showing above the wood. Put your case into the hole in the wood and press it in until it fits snugly
with the primer up (most cases are slightly tapered and will fit pretty tight)  . Drill a small hole as close to the edge of the primer as you can to avoid damaging the Anvil in the primer pocket. pull the case out and twist the screw tip into the drilled hole in the primer. lean the case over to one side and it will pull the primer out of the pocket. I tried the "Smack and Splat" hydraulic method and was not very pleased. Although it is kind of refreshing
in the summer  ;D 

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 12:03:43 PM »
I have completed the disassembly of almost 900 rounds of the 8mm ammo, wow. Used a kinetic bullet puller against better advice, wow. Now I have a good amount of powder, bullets and brass. I may try to decap the brass but it has red primer sealer on them and may be slightly crimped in the primer area so I am unsure about that. Thanks for all advice.

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 12:40:41 PM »
Used a kinetic bullet puller against better advice, wow.
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I have never used a kinetic puller but I use a RCBS collet puller.  I really like it and it is a joy to use.

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2007, 01:07:31 PM »
Jack

After reading the reviews about the collet puller,,,, another lesson learned too late.
Just being cheap I guess.

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Re: recycling 8mm surplus ammo
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2007, 01:26:03 PM »
Don't beat your self up too badly; I used a kinetic puller to breakdown 600 rounds of the stuff. I wore out two of the collets doing it and put cracks all through the hammer head. I only got a collet puller when I started breaking down Albanian 7.62x54mmR. All those folded and dented case necks bugged me.