Thanks for the reply,but im curious about the brake. Ive never been around one let alone shot a firearm with one, i just thought that the recoil and the report would be less? Not so? I had a 10" 7mm08 and that was unbearable. What is the advantage of a brake besides less recoil? Im guessing that the report is louder. I shot my winchester model 70 in 338 loaded right up tight and the report was ok. Wish i had never sold it ! Isnt that always the way..