What is your solution?

[Brett]

Pray for the second coming.  That will put a stop to all the trouble. 

[powderman]

GYPSYMAN. You make too much sense, I agree.
TM7. I guess you are saying that we just give them what they want??? What they want is us DEAD. Their goal is the anhilation, and or dominance of every man, woman, and child in the world. Satan wants total control, he's their master. If overnight, mecca, tehran, baghdad, and damascus ceased to exist there would be total silence from the Godless ones. OR, nuke them one at a time, each day asking who's next, mecca should be the first hit. We are not dealing with rational human beings here. We are dealing with a Godless, sub culture of human beings that have been taught hatred and death from birth, human is even in doubt at times. The men are dedicated to murdering innocents, the children will grow up just like them, and the women will breed, and raise more of them. Wild dogs get very agressive when they pack up and will attack humans, muslims are very similar to that. Kill most of the pack and the rest of them are quiet, and hide in fear.  I don't think the rest of the world would do a darned thing, and trust our military to defend against their subs, etc, I'd imagine we know where they are anyway. You can't negotiate with the devil, and thats what you seem to suggest. The Godless ones have proven, over and over, that they cannot be trusted to do anything they say, so what do you propose??? POWDERMAN.  

[billy_56081]

AMEN;  Powderman

  If only the government understood it as we do.

[fe352v8]

Lets see, you want to kill around 17 million people.

Mecca……..1,079,000
Tehran…….7,404,515
Baghdad…..6,956,562
Damascus…1,668,193

Total…….17,108,270

That would only put you in second place on the list of greatest killers

Mao……49,000,000
Stalin…..13,000,000
Hitler..…12,000,000
Tojo…….5,000,000

Hard to believe you’re willing to settle for second.  Where’s that American can-do pride, and are you going to let yourself get beat by a godless commie on top of it?

Now what’s the difference between you and them again?

Life is no joke but funny things happen

jon

[williamlayton]

I have too agree with FE.
I don't know who is stupid and who is not but I know we have not learned much since Viet Nam, or we have forgotten.
It is their country, let them have it.
Let the business folks make the deals they want for what they have--that is what this is all about anyway.
We have begun to act like bullies and bullies have a way of falling prey to their own arrogance.
Let us deal with our own problems and keep an eye out for others.
If we deal sucessfully with our ownselves we will have our hands full.
Blessings

[powderman]

FE. I WANT to kill no one, I just want the Godless ones to leave the rest of the world alone and let us live in peace. They don't want peace, never have. It seems that all they want is war and death, I simply said lets give it to them on such a scale they will stop their satanic crap.  Today and tomorrow we will celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. They will celebrate the death of any non muslims they can murder. THey will hit us again, no doubt about it, the more innocents they kill the better they will like it. Sunday mornings our churches preach about the love of God and salvation through Jesus Christ. In their mosques is preached hatred and death to all non muslims. Their mosques are their lairs, where these things are drilled into their heads. A large percentage of the muslims overseas can't read or write. Their leaders intentionallt keep them illiterate so they don't realize the truth about things and start to think for themselves. They are trained to simply follow orders and rules. WE are not fighting a people as much as a cult of death. They will be our enemies as long as islam exists. Gotta go. POWDERMAN. 

[magooch]

Nice rose colored glasses some of you are wearing.

[Casull]

False cults come and go....the natural state of the human mind is happiness--not hate.

TM7, this one has been going for over a thousand years.  Don't think we can afford to wait another thousand.

[Sourdough]

The sad part is they are winning.  They have proven they can influnce the elections of any country by intemidation, look at France, Spain, and yes even here in the US.  All three have elected a terrioist friendly government after their attacks. 

My view, like TNJIM said Nuke them till they glow.

[billy_56081]

 There are a lot of ignorant people in this world that are willing to give up freedom for security. It is sad that peole are too nieve to understand that if you trade freedom for secuity very soon you will have niether.

  We really need to consider using thier superstitions against them as General Blackjack Pershing did. I beleave the muslimes are required to makea pilgrimage to Mecca to enter heaven. Simple solution no more Mecca no more heaven for muslimes. Burying the terrorists with pig carcasses would be another option.

[williamlayton]

It seems too me they have proven they are unafraid too die.
I would believe they will not stop but I also believe they can be stopped if we are willing too get out of their country and defend ourselves.
Some will claim that we are defending ourselves but I think we are being the bully. Well at least we have been duped into being the bully. I hate the propaganda we are using to make it seem we are glorious and bringing democracy to a backward nation.
If we tend to our business and watch over this nation as we should we can defeat any intrusion by them---and others.
We must be willing to stop political correctness and begin dealing in well defined laws and pursuing the end of these laws.
We allow 1 million immigrants a year.
Blessings
 

[powderman]

False cults come and go....the natural state of the human mind is happiness--not hate.
.
Luke6:20-49  ............Have a great blessed Christmas......TM7

This false cult has been around thousands of years. It's filled with lies, hatred, and death. It has destroyed the lives and souls of millions of people. Those lies and hatred are what we are fighting against, not just people.  They keep their people ignorant so they don't even know what goes on in the world, except what they want them to know. My 2 neices that gave in to satans cult didn't even know about the Amish children that were murdered, they were forbidden to watch the news by their Godless husbands. I wish you and yours a wonderful day tomorrow, may God richly bless you. POWDERMAN. 

[Casull]

Not with us Americans really much, until after WWll,,,,actually we use to get along with them until a peculiar breed of politician started running things here.

TM7, I wasn't talking about just Americans.  Obviously US citizens were not around a thousand years ago.  I was talking about us non-muslims.  At least since before the Crusades, when the muslim killers would attack and kill pilgrims heading to the holy land (which by the way, was a pretty good reason for the Crusades).  Yes, we have gotten along with them from time to time (the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all of that), but they have never considered us brothers, just someone to get along with until the time is ripe for annilation.  Any way, how do you negotiate with someone who thinks it is honorable and just to lie to anyone who is not muslim.

[williamlayton]

Trust everone----but cut the cards!
Blessings

[powderman]

Not with us Americans really much, until after WWll,,,,actually we use to get along with them until a peculiar breed of politician started running things here.

TM7, I wasn't talking about just Americans.  Obviously US citizens were not around a thousand years ago.  I was talking about us non-muslims.  At least since before the Crusades, when the muslim killers would attack and kill pilgrims heading to the holy land (which by the way, was a pretty good reason for the Crusades).  Yes, we have gotten along with them from time to time (the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all of that), but they have never considered us brothers, just someone to get along with until the time is ripe for annilation.  Any way, how do you negotiate with someone who thinks it is honorable and just to lie to anyone who is not muslim.

WEll said Sir. Merry Christmas. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

Not long ago I read a quote from Winston Churchill on muslims, he recognized their threat many years ago, I believe I read one from Teddy Roosevelt too, who basicly agreed with Churchill. Can't find it now. POWDERMAN. 

[DWTim]

Powderman,

Here it is:

A large number of Bin Saud’s followers belong to the Wahabi sect, a form of Mohammedanism which bears, roughly speaking, the same relationship to orthodox Islam as the most militant form of Calvinism would have borne to Rome in the fiercest times of religious wars.

The Wahabis profess a life of exceeding austerity, and what they practice themselves they rigorously enforce on others. They hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children. Women have been put to death in Wahabi villages for simply appearing in the streets.

It is a penal offence to wear a silk garment. Men have been killed for smoking a cigarette and, as for the crime of alcohol, the most energetic supporter of the temperance cause in this country falls far behind them. Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account, and they have been, and still are, very dangerous to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina…

It would be politically disadvantageous to some to acknowledge Churchill's words from 1921, because that would reveal that this movement started far removed from our influence, and that it is a far greater threat than some would admit.

[powderman]

DWTIM. Thanks, and it seems we're still negotiating with the Godless scum. POWDERMAN. 

[WylieKy]

Here is my solution:

1. Withdraw all ground forces from the region, beef up Naval presence as much as possible with aircraft carriers, subs, and support craft with conventional and nuclear arsenals. (Max firepower, min manpower, min contact with the people.)

2.  Secure our borders; sea, land, and air.  Lets build some tall walls and deep ditches, but welcome those that follow procedure (Max security with Min. Isolation.)  Anyone and everyone entering our country should be given the once over, all cargo inspected.  Anyone from potentially hostile area should have to go through a  pre-approval process.

3.  Enforce Immigration laws.  Do not waste time prosecuting people.  If they are caught in our country without permission to be here, simply put them on a bus or plane and drop them off in their country.  They can appeal the decision from there.  While not practical now, with a strong border we could make it more expensive for them to get here illegally than for us to get rid of them.

4.  Put Islam on notice.  Publish a list of cities, mosques, shrines, and holy sites starting with Mecca, that will be destroyed 10 blocks at a time in retaliation for any act of terrorism against American citizens or interests.  Deploy leaflets all over the Islamic world with a translation of this statement.

"Radical Islam has dishonored itself and dishonored its religion. I have tried to help Radical Islam, but I have failed. I have failed because YOU have not helped me. YOU people, have not given Radical Islam the proper motivation! So, from now on, whenever Radical Islam f*&^s up, I will not punish it! I will punish all of YOU! And the way I see it ladies, you owe me for ONE WOLD TRADE CENTER! NOW, GET DOWN ON YOUR FACES!"

This is, of course, an adaptation from one of the best speeches in one of the best movies of all time. 


I think a strong defense and a reactionary position are our only chances of winning.  Occupation will not work, as it just breed resentment and a new generation of terrorists.  We can try talking, but I do not think that will work because the ones doing the negotiating are not in control of those pulling the triggers and pushing the buttons.  Genocide will not work as the rest of the world would raise up against us, and even if it didn't, what does it accomplish to gain the world and lose your soul in the process.

WylieKy 

[DWTim]

TM7:

Yes, and Wahabism (or Wahhabbism) isn't the term that the "true" Wahabists prefer. But the point I'm trying to illustrate here is that there is an ongoing reformist movement, specifically a radical reform of Islam. That fact that all these other fundamentalist sects now exist is proof that it is spreading. We can look at the Shia as well, where the Islamic Revolution in 1979 ultimately produced a ruling government in Iran that has become far more conservative than what was originally promised to the people.

Churchill noted that in addition to being "austere", they were also extremely violent. It follows, then, that flow of oil revenue into the region would only expand their influence.

EDIT: I think I need to clarify myself here, because I'm re-reading this and it's still very muddled and possibly incorrect. The term "Wahabist" is considered an outdated term. Wahabism is a modern reformist movement, not a sect. It is named after Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab, who died in 1792.

Ingrid Mattson on Wahabism:

No it's not true to characterize 'Wahhabism' that way. This is not a sect. It is the name of a reform movement that began 200 years ago to rid Islamic societies of cultural practices and rigid interpretation that had [been] acquired over the centuries.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/COMMUNITY/10/18/mattson.cnna/

[toysoldier]

I'm sorry to see the old Pershing/pig story being trotted out. It is thouroughly discredited at www.snopes.com, along with the Captain Kangaroo/Navy Seal story.

Eric Hoffer in his book The True Believer offered a very insightful analysis of resentment against the US. He said it's not so much what we have taken, but what we have given; specifically, freedom of choice. Contact with Western society, especially the USA, breaks down societal order and strips them of the comfort of knowing their "place" in the world. They're pissed that we destroyed "the good old days" and they're out to destroy us.

We might have had a chance if the leaders who chose to send American troops into another nation to take out its government failed to follow the coldly clinical advice of Machiavelli:
 
  "So it should be noted that when he seizes a state the new ruler must determine all the injuries that he will need to inflict. He must inflict them once for all, and not have to renew them every day, and in that way he will be ableto set men's minds at rest and win them over when he confers benefits. WHoever acts otherwise, either through timidity or bad advice, is always forced to have the knife ready in his handand he can never depend on his subjects because they,suffering fresh and continuing violence, can never feel secure with regard to him. Violence must be inflicted once for all; people will then forget what it tastes likeand so be less resentful. Benefits must be conferred gradually; and that way they will taste better."

Translated into the current situation, every top Bathist we got our hands on should have been killed immediately. Same for any militia leader.

That didn't happen, and there is now no good course of action. Tell them they have to take care of themselves, get our people out, and try to control the damage that results by lobbing in an occasional smart bomb on some particularly nasty person.