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Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« on: December 20, 2006, 09:56:04 AM »
I have been a rifle hunter for many years, most recently with a H&R single-shot.  I am considering getting into handgun hunting because I really enjoy the challenge of getting close to the deer.  This past weekend I rattled in a 10-pointer to within 30 yards and a big 9-pointer within 5 yards- no kidding, he walked right below my stand.  I didn't shoot either of those two deer because it was just so exciting to have big deer come in that close.  It would have been a perfect situation to have a handgun. 

I have limited experience with pistols, only having shot a .22 lr as a kid, a .38 a couple of times, and a 1911 .45 that I couldn't hit the side of a barn with.  What would you recommend as a way to get into handgun hunting?  I've been thinking a .357 mag would work.  I could shoot .38's to learn with and work my way up to hunting loads in .357 when I am comfortable.  What pistol would y'all recommend?  S&W, Taurus?  Length of barrel?  Scope?  And advice would be great.  Thanks.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2006, 10:06:30 AM »
i would suggest going for a .44.  you can always load it with .44 specials to help you pratice and gt better at shooting.  also with a .44 you have a chance for a further shot and also hunt tougher game.  I have a taurus raging bull .44 and i love it.  its a little big but it shoots like dream, i love it.  i have always really liked S&W's as well, they are very smooth and good shooters as well.  i would go handle as many revolvers as you can to see which one feels the best to you.  good luck, handgun hunting is a fun challenge.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2006, 11:00:38 AM »
what he said except id recomend a ruger super blackhawk. There about the best bang for the buck in a 44.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2006, 01:24:55 PM »
I've taken one deer with a 357 Mag, and it worked fine.  Jerry Lester posts here and he uses the 357 Mag a lot. Look for his posts.  If you just getting into handguns a 357 is a good way to start for economical practice.  It will work fine on deer within a reasonable range. 

My hunting handgun is a 10" TC Contender in 357 Maximum. 
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 06:01:23 AM »
Of course I'm going to encourage you to go with a good 357 revolver. ;D

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 01:49:05 PM »
While I too, am just getting into this handgun hunting, I'd suggest a TC Contender, which is what I'm going to do.  Especially since you already rifle hunt with the Handirifle.

Nice thing about the TC is you can get the 357 and if you don't like it, get a 44 barrel (sound familiar?) for about 1/3 the cost of a new revolver (That's barrel vs. new gun).  Plust you'll get higher velocities from the TC since you don't have the barrel/cylinder gap t deal with.  I'm new to handgun hunting, but not handguns.  I've owned one or another for many years, mostly in 357.  I really didn't like the cowboy grip style (Ruger Blackhawk) and the Ruger Security Six I have only has a 4" barrel.

The revolvers are "dirtier" than a breakopen gun too.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 02:49:45 PM »
Hi cgturner7, as Lloyd Smale said the Ruger Super Blackhawk is a great gun for the money.
This is the gun I started with, about 22 years ago. I shot this gun all I could afford to shoot it and then started reloading so I could shoot alot more. I still wasn't happy with my marksmanship with the revolver.
I then decided to buy a Ruger Single Six and found a used one at a decent price with an extra cylinder so I could shoot both 22LR and 22 Mag. This is were it all came together, I could shoot 500 rounds alot cheaper than a box of factory 44's and cheaper than I could load 100 rounds. I went through a brick of 22's a week for a long time and became a pretty decent shot while having a lot of fun practicing.
My recommendation for you is to decide what type of gun you like the best, single action, double action, etc. and buy a 22 in that type of gun. I bet you will never regret it. I bought my 44 first but should have got the 22 first because it is what taught me to shoot a handgun.
I've still got that Single Six, it shows alot of wear, most of the blueing is gone but I absolutely would not sell this gun at all. It is one of my favorites.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2006, 04:11:47 PM »
I would suggest a .22LR handgun and hunt for squirrels or rabbits. Start small with no experience and work up to bigger game animals. Practice, practice, practice.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2006, 04:38:04 PM »
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You and SB make excellent points.  I may just well buy my TC contender with a 22LR barrel to start.  That was one reason I was going with the Contender instead of the Encore, so I could use rimfire ammo, but never really thought of getting the 22 barrel first to learn the "art".

Maybe a 22LR and a 357, then work up the the 44 if need be.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2006, 01:39:44 AM »
handirifle

If you go with a Contender and are wanting a 357 to start into the big game hunting world with, may I suggest the 357 Maximum.
I've got a 10" 357 Max barrel for my Contender and it is a very compact, effecient, accurate,  powerful package. With this barrel I can shoot 38 Special, 357 Magnum & 357 Maximum.
You can find these barrels on ebay or you can get one through Fox Ridge Outfitters, T/C's Custom Shop.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2006, 02:10:18 AM »
Put me down for the 44 Mag.

You can also consider the 460 Mag, before all you guys say that is to much for a new handgun hunter, this is my reason.

The 460 Mag will shot 45 L/C's, 454 Casull and 460 Mag. It is a gun that can progress with the shooter. A got 45 L/C can be loaded to duplicate the 44 Mag and can also be loaded down for a great plinking round. In the S&W 460 the 45 L/C's feel like a light 38 special. And if you ever have the call for something bigger, the 454 Casull or the 460 mag is an option.

Just a suggestion. ;D
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2006, 02:28:49 AM »
cgturner:  start with a 22lr and work your way up to a 38/357.  Don't bother going to anything heavier until you have gotten the basics of handgun shooting and hunting under control.  The larger the caliber when you begin this process the larger your degree of frustration and disappointment. 

My immediate suggestion is for a 22lr semi-auto pistol just because they are a whole buncha fun.  I would recommend either a Ruger 22 auto, the MkII version with a 4" barrel or maybe the longer slender 6" barrel or, one of the newer Walther P22s and I believe you can get a longer target barrel with the package when you buy the 4" (these are some neat pieces that look way cook and shoot pretty well).  Also, with whatever pistol you get, obtain a handful of additional magazines for it and you will be in handgunners hog heaven. 

When you have gotten to the point where you are confident with your ability to hit with the 22, then go up to a nice mid-frame 357 and start that process again with 38 specials, until you have basically mastered those and then you can begin with the 357s.  JMHO.  HTH.  Mikey.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2006, 04:20:54 AM »
actually what redhawk said about the .460 mag is a great idea i think.  you can really load down those 45 L/C's.  and if the occasion ever arises you have the 460 or 454 for some bigger critters.  although getting a .22 first to master the "art" is also very smart.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2006, 04:58:45 AM »
I don't think at 22 is always he answer for someone to start shooting a handgun.  I have seen people get started with a S&W model 10 in .38 special and do just fine. They get the feel of a larger handgun and still without the recoil.  I did not start out handgun shooting with a 22 cal. I started with a 44 Mag using 44 special rounds. I was able to get all the basics down fairly quickly.

cgturner7, has said he had some experience with some handguns, so it is not like he needs to start off at the bottom. That is just my opinion.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2006, 06:40:56 AM »
$10 for a brick (500) of .22s?
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2006, 08:55:04 AM »
$10 for a brick (500) of .22s?

And it is still a .22.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2006, 10:48:50 AM »
Maybe living in the north east part of America helps gives Redhawk1 his opinions but, living in the heartland gives me mine. The north east has an abundance of large game (deer. moose, bear. ect.) not to mention great fishing,  here in the middle of America we have mostly small game animals (rabbits squirrels, quail, pheasants, ect.). There wasn't any deer to hunt around here till about 25 years ago. Therefore, we know the value of a good .22 LR pistol as a hunting tool? People have grown up differently, in different parts of this great country of ours, with different ideas on what nessecities are? That's not to say any of the ideas expressed here are wrong.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2006, 11:23:54 AM »
Maybe living in the north east part of America helps gives Redhawk1 his opinions but, living in the heartland gives me mine. The north east has an abundance of large game (deer. moose, bear. ect.) not to mention great fishing,  here in the middle of America we have mostly small game animals (rabbits squirrels, quail, pheasants, ect.). There wasn't any deer to hunt around here till about 25 years ago. Therefore, we know the value of a good .22 LR pistol as a hunting tooll? People have grown up differently, in different parts of this great country of ours, with different ideas on what nessecities are? That's not to say any of the ideas expressed here are wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I also own several 22 handguns and rifles. But I don't do a lot of hunting with them. So that may be a big reason I don't suggest it as you stated.
I have time to time went out hunting squirrels with my 22 handgun and had a blast doing it. I guess I am more in the mind set of larger game with a handgun.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2006, 11:28:29 AM »
I'd Say 44 and start with if the recoil bothers you.  You can practice with a .22 or anything else if you want too.  Any handgun practice will make you better, or I have found that for me.  I usually practice with a 22 auto durring the summer months and pull out my redhawk .44 once it gets closer to fall.  .357 is deffinately fine too if thats the way you want to go. 

These other guys are probably way more experienced than me in the handgun world, but it is just my $.02. Plus you have lots of gun options in the .44. 

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2006, 12:20:18 PM »
Geez, all you guys should know that you can't kill deer with a .357.  And practicing with a .22lr is completely ridiculous.  Everybody knows that to become a good handgun shot, you need to shoot all the full bore magnum ammo you can get your trembling hands on.  I'd start with a .454 as a minimum and probably opt for either a .475 or .500 Linebaugh Load them as heavily as possible, at least 10% over any listed maximum load and ractice with that.  Once you are use to those loads, you'll never go back to a .44 Mag. ;D ;D

Seriously, all you really need is a .44 Mag.  Light loads are available for practice and the .44 will kill just about anything you want to point it at.  You can use it on bunnies in the off season for practice with cast bullets and not lose any meat, too.  God help me, but if I had to live with ONE revolver, it would be either a .44 or my .45 Colt Bisley.

The TC is a good option, but not for the reason's given.  I think that it's more accurate, inherently, than a revolver.  One barrel, one chamber, much easier to get it to shoot.  My Contender will shoot cloverleafs at 100 yards pretty easily with a .30-30 and a .35 rem barrel.  A revolver has the additional chambers to align and that can and, I  suspect often does, affect accuracy.  An extra 100 fps is probably not going to be noticed by anything you hit with it.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2006, 12:55:02 PM »
If you're anything like I was when I first took interest in pistol hunting, a 22 won't seem like a good choice.  All I could think of was getting a 357 or 44mag so I could start deer hunting.  I didn't put much stock in the "practice with a 22" idea.  When I was 15 years old, my grandfather bought me my first pistol.....a 22lr/22mag Single Six.  Although I refused to show it, I was disappointed.  I did shoot it occasionally, and even entertained the idea of using the 22mag for deer hunting. (poor judgment because of a lack of patience).

I bought my first “real pistol” from a rod-and-gun club in Germany when I was 19.  It was a target model 686, and it was exactly what I wanted for a first gun.  I shot that gun A LOT with both 38 and 357.  When I finally returned from Germany, I was comfortable enough with my 357 and thought I should move up to a 44 mag.  Probably 1/3 of the deer I’ve killed in the past 10 years have been with that 44.  Not a single one has fallen to my 357.

My point…..  if you start with a 22, you’ll probably shoot a few boxes through it, but always wonder if you could have started with a 38/357.  If you DO start hunting with a pistol, you’ll probably also end up with a 44mag or larger (contender, encore etc).  I suggest you start with a gun you can eventually deer hunt with.  A 38 from a decent revolver (357mag) with a 6” barrel is VERY manageable.  The ammo is also fairly cheap in bulk.  When you’re ready to move up, drop some 357 in, and your ready to hunt.

To my grandfather’s credit, I probably put more 22 rounds down range than any other in the past couple of years.  They are fun to shoot, and are definitely handy in improving your skills.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2006, 02:03:49 PM »
I have a ruger 22 mark 1 with a 5 1/2 bull barrel that has had thousands of rounds fired.  It is still a fun and accurate gun.  It still, is not a 44.  I have a ruger 44 sbh with a 7 1/2 inch barrel and I can target practice or I can hunt.  Loaded with 240 gr hard cast swc and 10 gr of unique it is a very fun plinker, recoil wise, I can also kill a deer at short range, 70 yards or under.  With Sierra 300 gr jacketed and a stout load of H110 anything goes.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2006, 02:13:32 PM »
I have a ruger mark 1 with a 5 1/2 bull barrel that has fired thousands of rounds and is still a fun and accurate gun.  It still, is not a 44.  I have a 44 ruger sbh with a 7 1/2 inch barrel that is fun both target shooting and hunting.  For plinking and less recoil I load a hardcast 240gr swc over 10 gr of unique.  I haven't cronographed but i am guess about 1100 fps.  It will also kill deer out to about 70 yards.  For more power 300 gr sierra jacketed with a stout load of H110 is hard to beat. 
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2006, 02:16:25 PM »
Sorry, I didn't know the first post actually went. ???
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2006, 05:51:49 PM »
22 to start and truly develop sound handgunning skills - trigger control, sight allignment, etc.  You can shoot a whole lot more for a lot less money.  As your ability to shoot accurately develops then go ahead an jump into a 44 mag in a SBH or any of the other calibers that have been mentioned above.  A big boomer won't do anything for you if you can't hit what you're aiming at.

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2006, 03:17:42 PM »
The TC is a good option, but not for the reason's given.                   An extra 100 fps is probably not going to be noticed by anything you hit with it.

IF that (above) were the ONLY reason given, I'd agree with you but since he DID state he hunts with single shot rifles, and the Handi does have the ability to swap barrels and thus calibers, I think the rest of my ideas were EXCELLENT reasons given.

In addition, the TC contneder, CAN shoot both centerfire and rimfire calibers from the same gun.  Now to follow along with all the recommendations given above, start small, some rimfire round, then move up to a centerfire round.  Now unless he is flush with an extra $500 to $700, over and above what he was PLANNING on spending, laying around to buy a semi auto rimfire, and then buy a magnum revolver for big game, then my recommendation of the TC for it's switch barrel ability makes that an OUTSTANDING reason to buy one.

The accuracy and velocity gains are extras.  The animal may not care about the extra velocity, but it does make a trajectory difference and THAT CAN make you a better handgun shooter/hunter.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2006, 01:11:16 AM »
It all comes down to how a pistol feels to the shooter. I have owned a Taurus raging bull in 44mag, 2 T/C contender 44mags(10" octagon and super 14), and 2 Dan Wessons-357 mag and 445 super mag.  The taurus I could never hit anything with but my father could touch holes with it at 25 yards.  The T/C 10" octagon was terrible for recoil and only got shot about 10-15 times. The T/C super 14 was mild in recoil and great to shoot, from a rest. It was really fwd heavy, and hard to shoot offhand.  The DW 357 was great to shoot. I started out practicing with 38 specials and worked up to 357 mags.  I then upgraded to a DW 445 super mag(fearing that the 357 mag would not stop a bear if need be here in my neck of the woods).  The 445 has been my favorite so far.  It only has a 4" compensated barrel( I plan on getting a 6"or 8" barrel soon), but has a better feel than any other pistol I have owned.  I am not dogging the other pistols, if they fit you better than me great(refer to the taurus line above).  Buy a pistol that fits you well and the recoil will be felt less and your accurracy will be better.  I found this out after buying a few pitols because they were the greatest in someone elses opinion.  The Dan Wessons seem to fit me the best but may not feel great to you.  The fit and feel of the pistol should come first. Caliber should be decided by what type of game is to be pursue and your recoil tolerance.
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2006, 05:10:45 AM »
first youll never go wrong with a .22. A .38 is great too but unless you handload youll tend to put alot more rounds through a .22. With the escalating prices of ammo even 38s arent being given away. Redhawks thought is a sound one but i still think the average guy is much better served by a .44 mag then a 460 or any of the big guns. YOu can go into almost any sprorting goods store and buy .44 spec or mag ammo. Not all of them handle 45s and if you want to step up to hunting big game the .44 mag is up to the challange but the .45 colt ammo for the most part is pretty light stuff. Buying off the shelf .460 or 454 stuff for it wont be cheap. Like Redhawk im a big fan of the BIG guns I love shooting them and hunting with them but if your not a handloader your never going to shoot them enough to master them unless your alot wealthier then me! A .357 will kill a deer and yes even a boar or black bear but to me more for someone that is seasoned and not a beginner and in my opionion most of the factory loads are marginal at best for big game. Again a better round for a seasoned handguner that loads his own knows his game and knows where to put a bullet so that it will do the job. My brother in law was in a simular situation two years ago. He had watched me handgun hunt and wanted to try it himself. He had 500 bucks to spend. To anyone else id have told him to buy a super and some reloading gear but he knows he can get all the ammo he wants for free from me so that just made him laugh. What we ended up doing was buying him a used single six and a used super black hawk. That way he spend more time with the single six and i spend less time reloading for him!!
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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2007, 12:03:52 PM »
In my experiences buying hunting firearms, I've not had the money to buy a "starter" gun.  I've always had to get one that will get me hunting.  I don't know this fella's whole situation, but who knows, maybe his hunting lease is about to run out.  I do know that there is a rimfire conversion available for the Encore.  Also, the Encore is a bigger framed gun.  You may have small hands.  Try the Encore and the Contender in your hands before you lay down your cash.  And lastly, for what it's worth, I shoot the Encore in 44.  I agree with the advice on the T/Cs, you can always trade/sell your barrels down the road.  It's your money, and your choice.  JMHO 

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Re: Suggestions for beginning handgun hunting
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2007, 01:16:46 PM »
My path to handgun hunting was a little bit different.  At the age of 16 our dad allowed each of us to purchase just one handgun.  At the time I was smitten with the black powder bug, so I bought a reproduction Colt model 1860 in .44.  My brother and I thought Jeff Cooper walked on water so we practiced his shooting drills (with very slow reloads!) until we became decent marksmen.  It was a great deal of fun to shoot cottontails with those cap-n-ball revolvers.  Of course, the bunnies were close and we seldom attempted running shots.

Regardless of what type/caliber gun purchased, it takes practice and lots of it to become a good pistol shot.