Author Topic: Knight TK-2000 12 gauge inline (Read 7847 times)

brasskeeper · « **on:** December 23, 2006, 03:09:23 PM »

I was looking today at a knight inline 12 gauge muzzle loader. Does anybody on here have one? What do you think? Ive never shot a muzzle loading shotgun.

gustmouse · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2006, 03:46:51 PM »

I have one. It's made well, shoots 2 1/2 oz of shot with 100 or 110 grains of 2F Pyrodex pretty good to 30 yards or so. But kicks hard with that load. I use mine for turkey hunting, but plan on trying it on crows later this winter. I guess its supposed to have an extra full choke. But that may be a marketing thing more than reality. But it patterns pretty good. I don't like the little red disc that are needed for the 209 primers. Just another expense that's shouldn't be needed. I guess all in all it's good but not a great gun. If you get it cheap enough, I'd say buy it. That's what I did.

Tom Brush · « **Reply #2 on:** December 25, 2006, 01:35:31 PM »

I have the TK2000 turkey gun. Mine is older and came with a #11 cap nipple. I replaced it with a 209 nipple. The one that I have does not take Disks. It accepts Winchester 209 primers. Others do not fit well. I have taken two turkeys with it. One with 2 1/2 oz. of #6 shot, 3 1/2" wad and 120 gr. of 2F black powder. The other with 2 1/2 oz. of #6 shot, 3 1/2" wad and 100 gr. of 2F black powder. The lighter powder load actually patterned better. The first bird was 25 yds. and the other 32 yds. Neither moved after being hit.

I have worked up a load for the 3" wad with 2 oz. #5 shot & 100 gr. T7 2F. It patterns as good or better than the 3 1/2" loads.

My only complaints about this gun is that the striker will cut a path thru your thumb if you do not wear a glove and the camo pattern literly washed off.

I really like black powder turkey hunting. Last year I bought a new Encore ML shotgun barrel and took my largest gobbler ever with it. I plan to hunt with both the TK and the Encore this year.

Tom

brasskeeper · « **Reply #3 on:** December 26, 2006, 05:01:16 AM »

Thanks to both of you for your repies. I found a good deal on the knight but I didnt know anything about it so I havent bought it yet. I am also looking at a barrel for my encore. I'm not sure which way I will go.

Tom Brush · « **Reply #4 on:** December 26, 2006, 09:24:30 AM »

Given a choice I would buy a barrel for the Encore. It makes a light, short, easy handling gun that uses conventional chokes. Recoil is not bad with T7 and 2 oz. of shot. More of a push. Patterns well at 35 yds. with a .665 Comp n Choke. I just purchased a Kicks Gobbling Thunder choke in .655. I hope this extends the range. I bought my barrel on e-bay for $235.00

I also bought the 3" turkey barrel thru Cabela's. This barrel is a handful. Much more recoil than the M/L barrel. Patterns well to 50 yds. with a .665 Comp n Choke and Winchester Extended Range shells.

I killed turkeys with both of these barrels last year. I shot my best gobbler with the M/L barrel. It was an old gobbler that we named White Feather because it had six white barred tail feathers. I shot it at the end of the NY season and it had 1 1/2" spurs. At the beginning of the season it had 2" spurs. They were noticably worn down. This gobbler was in my son's yard daily at the beginning of the season. We have been after him for at least four years. He was a long beard when we first saw him years ago. He is at the taxidermist.

With the Encore you will have to remove the choke for every shot. The Knight can be loaded thru the choke but you are limited to the Knight choke. The Knight will also give you a whole gun for about the price of the Encore barrel. Decisions, decisions!

Tom

brasskeeper · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2006, 05:28:26 PM »

Well I bought the Knight TK2000 hardwoods. After looking at the prices in the catologs and web sites I couldnt pass on it. I got it for $200 OTD and it is new in the box. Now I have got to some reading on loads and loading. It says in the manual something about a video but it wasnt in the box? Everything else was, manaul, and package with the capper, red primer holders, wads ect..

Maybe down the road I'll find a deal on a encore barrel

Busta · « **Reply #6 on:** December 28, 2006, 04:10:23 AM »

brasskeeper,

I have owned the TK-2000 for about 6 years, the best advice I can give you is to get a rubber cap to go over the secondary safety. Like Tom said above, that thing will tear your thumb to the bone. I wasn't smart enough to let it only happen once. The new thumbhole stock takes that out of the equasion. You can get a rubber vacuum cap at an auto parts store that will go over that thing. If you don't, just think of someone raking a bastard file accross your thumb knuckle at 1200 fps.

It does get your attention!

With that said, you got an outstanding deal on that gun. I also have a White White Thunder/Tominator that is light as a feather that I really like.

gustmouse · « **Reply #7 on:** December 28, 2006, 09:13:50 AM »

Quote from: brasskeeper on December 27, 2006, 05:28:26 PM

Well I bought the Knight TK2000 hardwoods. After looking at the prices in the catologs and web sites I couldnt pass on it. I got it for $200 OTD and it is new in the box. Now I have got to some reading on loads and loading. It says in the manual something about a video but it wasnt in the box? Everything else was, manaul, and package with the capper, red primer holders, wads ect..

Maybe down the road I'll find a deal on a encore barrel

Good price!, you should have fun with it! Tape two 35mm film canisters together, in one put a measure of shot and the other the powder. I was lucky enough to have white and black colored ones. I use one color for shot and other for powder.

brasskeeper · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2006, 11:34:47 AM »

gustmouse great minds think alike. I had actually thought of the film canisters too!!!

I was looking at the wads and shot on knight's web site, kinda expensive. Where do you guys get your stuff and what do you use?

gustmouse · « **Reply #9 on:** December 29, 2006, 02:47:59 AM »

Quote from: brasskeeper on December 28, 2006, 11:34:47 AM

gustmouse great minds think alike. I had actually thought of the film canisters too!!!

I was looking at the wads and shot on knight's web site, kinda expensive. Where do you guys get your stuff and what do you use?

Ha! too funny

Try Midway for shot. I was also thinking on trying some regular shot cups used for reloading shotgun shells. They are also sold there. Dixie Gun Works sells over powder wads, shot wads and over shot wads. You can get enough for a 100 shots for about $12-$14. You won't have a shot cup. But it may work well enough.

http://www.midwayusa.com/

http://www.dixiegun.com/

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #10 on:** December 29, 2006, 05:29:27 AM »

Circlefly makes fiber wads

Busta · « **Reply #11 on:** December 29, 2006, 05:48:54 AM »

Quote from: brasskeeper on December 28, 2006, 11:34:47 AM

gustmouse great minds think alike. I had actually thought of the film canisters too!!!

I was looking at the wads and shot on knight's web site, kinda expensive. Where do you guys get your stuff and what do you use?

Ballistic Products Inc

3rd on down is just like what Knight uses, and tons cheaper.
http://shop2.mailordercentral.com/bpicart/products.asp?dept=87

Direct link to the wad, 100 wads for $11.99, I think Knight gets that for about 10.
http://shop2.mailordercentral.com/bpicart/prodinfo.asp?number=3221235

Precision Reloading
http://www.precisionreloading.com

I punch out my own overshot wads from a piece of styrofoam (Duro-Vent) that you can buy at Lowes. One piece should give you a lifetime supply. I punch mine out one at a time with an old choke tube sharpened at the thread end (twist and turn), just push them back out with a dowel. If you can find a wad cutting punch, better yet. I use two over the shot, as one acts like a jam nut to the other one. With 2 to 2-1/2 oz of shot, you don't want them rolling out the end of your barrel.

gustmouse · « **Reply #12 on:** December 29, 2006, 07:16:55 AM »

Quote from: Busta on December 29, 2006, 05:48:54 AM

Quote from: brasskeeper on December 28, 2006, 11:34:47 AM
gustmouse great minds think alike. I had actually thought of the film canisters too!!!

I was looking at the wads and shot on knight's web site, kinda expensive. Where do you guys get your stuff and what do you use?

Ballistic Products Inc

3rd on down is just like what Knight uses, and tons cheaper.
http://shop2.mailordercentral.com/bpicart/products.asp?dept=87

Direct link to the wad, 100 wads for $11.99, I think Knight gets that for about 10.
http://shop2.mailordercentral.com/bpicart/prodinfo.asp?number=3221235

Precision Reloading
http://www.precisionreloading.com

I punch out my own overshot wads from a piece of styrofoam (Duro-Vent) that you can buy at Lowes. One piece should give you a lifetime supply. I punch mine out one at a time with an old choke tube sharpened at the thread end (twist and turn), just push them back out with a dowel. If you can find a wad cutting punch, better yet. I use two over the shot, as one acts like a jam nut to the other one. With 2 to 2-1/2 oz of shot, you don't want them rolling out the end of your barrel.

Busta,
That’s awesome, thanks for the tips!

Busta · « **Reply #13 on:** December 29, 2006, 09:40:04 AM »

Quote from: brasskeeper on December 27, 2006, 05:28:26 PM

Well I bought the Knight TK2000 hardwoods. After looking at the prices in the catologs and web sites I couldnt pass on it. I got it for $200 OTD and it is new in the box. Now I have got to some reading on loads and loading. It says in the manual something about a video but it wasnt in the box? Everything else was, manaul, and package with the capper, red primer holders, wads ect..

Maybe down the road I'll find a deal on a encore barrel

brasskeeper,

Call Knight Customer Service and tell them that the video was not in the box. If you give them the serial #, I bet they will mail you one for nothing. They have great Customer Service, but they are moving and it's hard telling whether it will remain that way.

brasskeeper · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2006, 03:47:06 AM »

Thanks busta

daddywpb · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2006, 10:46:12 AM »

I have had my TK2000 for three years now, and I use it for turkey, crows, doves and rabbits. You can get improved and modified choke tubes and they make it a much more versatile gun. I also use the BPI wads in 2 3/4", 3" and 3 1/2" with shot sizes and powder charges appropriate for the game I'm after. Have even shot a few rounds of trap with it, with a lot of understanding from the other shooters. Cabelas makes a three section plastic loader that will hold shot, powder, a wad, overshot wad, cleaning patch and a primer all in an easy to use and carry package. I can load on the go with no problems. I also use an old choke tube to punch overshot wads out of styrofoam meat trays. Works like a charm. I have not found any commercial wads that work as well. I have even starting using copper plated shot and plastic buffer for my black powder turkey loads. Nice tight patterns to about 40 yards. Recoil with heavy loads is severe though, and as everyone has already mentioned, keep your fingers away from that safety lever. It'll take a chunk out of your knuckle. I probably have had more fun with it than any other long gun in the safe. Love the smell of black powder, and it covers up your misses for a few seconds.

brasskeeper · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:37:04 AM »

You guys are awesome!!!! I sure appreciate all the information. This is my first muzzle loading shotgun and I can use all the help I can get.

daddywpb · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:24:43 PM »

I keep a little bottle of alcohol in my pocket and use it on the cleaning patches. It works great as a cleaner and it will dry by itself, no need for a second patch. With the TK2000, usually just one alcohol patch will do and you're ready to reload. The only time I've hurt my knuckle on the safety lever is with the turkey loads. They will thump you, but are extremely effective. With the copper plated shot and buffer, my TK2000 patterned better than my buddies new Remington 11/87 Sportsman. He wasn't happy. MTM makes a dipper to measure shot, but I have always used an empty wad. Use some scotch tape to seal the slits in whatever size BPI wad you're using, then use the wad to measure shot and pour into the barrel, or one of those awesome Cabelas loaders. Just fill even with the top of the wad. I bought about 20 of the Cabelas loaders and used it on a dove hunt at a public field this year. It got a lot of attention. Preload the red plastic jackets with the primers, and keep one in each loader. I have walked thru the turkey woods with mine loaded all day in the rain and not had any ignition problems to date. It always goes bang. Knight says the plastic jackets are re-useable, but I use a new one each time. They get burned a bit, and they are cheap. Why take a chance? The overshot wads that come packaged with the 3 1/2" wads from Knight are made out of thick foam, almost as good as the ones I cut from the meat trays. I contacted Knight to try to buy some of the wads by themselves, but did not get anywhere. I never did find the source for them. Don't even bother with the little white cardboard overshot wads. They are too lightweight. It really sucks to be walking in the woods, and hear all the shot run out of the barrel. Let us know if you have any questions. Are you familiar with the loading process? Get out there and shoot!

By the way, I haven't had any problem with the Realtree finish coming off on my gun. I use dishsoap and water to clean.

Busta · « **Reply #18 on:** December 31, 2006, 05:16:41 AM »

My TK2000 is one of the first ones made, the camo finish is not that bad. One thing to remember with Camo dipped guns, mosquito repellant on your gloves will eat the finish off, and mine has some wear in the wrist of the stock and forend.

I also use an unslit wad for measuring shot, perfect measure everytime. Also, for some reason #5 shot has given me the best overall patterns in my muzzleloading shotguns. Better than #6's and #4's. If you used unplated shot, get Magmum Shot, it is hardened. The copper plated, nickel plated, are both good choices as well.

Before using Hevi-Shot, you would want to contact Knight. I personally would never shoot Hevi-Shot or steel shot through a back-bored, jug-choked shotgun. Contact Knight for guidance first.

As daddywpb pointed out, the styrofoam meat trays are an excellent source for the styrofoam over-shot wads, if available. If you can't find those, the Duro-Vent (styrofoam rafter vents) also work well.

You will need to spend some serious time to find the load your gun likes best. I have at least a half -dozen shotcups, half-dozen powders (not to mention the different size charges), three shot types in three sizes each, three different over-shot wads. Almost forgot, cutting different length and number of slits in unslit shot cups to tailor your load even further. Now just think of all the possible combinations you can come up with.

$:-\$ Or, you could just buy the pre-slit Multi-Metal shot cups for the 3-1/2", Magmun #5 lead shot, punch out styrofoam overshot wads, select a powder and find out the best charge for your selected combination.

daddywpb · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2007, 01:41:47 AM »

Busta is absolutly right about the mosquito repellant. If you're going to use it, use gloves after you put it on. Using a ML shotgun is like reloading your own shells, just one at a time, and you can change things as you go for better results.

A short story - I was shooting a round of trap with the TK using number 9 shot and some WWAA shotcups over about 80 grains of Pyrodex. My gun patterns fine with this load, but I was having an off day and wasn't hitting much. I told the guy next to me that I could fix that, and loaded a 3 1/2" BPI wad full of number 9 shot and 110 grains of powder. 2 1/2 ounces of no. 9 is a LOT of pellets, and my next shot got everyones attention. Plenty of smoke and, yes, I hit the target - solidly to say the least. Like I said, it's a good bunch of guys I was shooting with and everyone ended up shooting the TK at least once that day.

I also took it to a Hunter Ed program I was assisting with, and we let all of the kids (and adults) load and shoot the TK at turkey targets during the ML trainiing. Everyone had fun.

All this ML shotgun talk has made me want to get out with my TK. Maybe some rabbit/crow hunting late this afternoon before getting back to work tomarrow. Yep, sounds good.

Tom Brush · « **Reply #20 on:** January 02, 2007, 02:00:59 PM »

To clarify my comment about the camo finish. The camo on the barrel and action is fine. The finish on the stock lost most of its pattern the first year I used it. It is obviously a defective camo job.

Tom

texpoff · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2008, 01:21:18 PM »

Does anyone know if buck shot can be shot threw the Knight TK 2000 Muzzleloading shotgun. I bought one & wondering if I can deer hunting with it.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2008, 02:07:30 PM »

May want to try this place for a shotgun barrel,
http://www.bergarabarrels.com/products.html

30-06man · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2008, 04:18:17 PM »

It would deform the shot because of the choke and it wouldn't pattern well. I wouldn't do it but to each his own. Not sure why that link is posted because Bergara makes barrels for T/C and CVA and they have nothing to do with Knight and Green Mountian.

Buckskins & Black Powder · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2008, 05:41:35 PM »

Quote from: brasskeeper on December 26, 2006, 05:01:16 AM

Thanks to both of you for your repies. I found a good deal on the knight but I didnt know anything about it so I havent bought it yet. I am also looking at a barrel for my encore. I'm not sure which way I will go.

Points above.

texpoff · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2008, 04:45:34 AM »

Thanks for the info. Didn't think I could shoot buckshot safely but a buddy had one said he did by removing the choke & took 2 deer over a 3 years.

manofthe45 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2008, 06:33:12 AM »

Quote from: bigblock455 on April 20, 2008, 05:41:35 PM

Quote from: brasskeeper on December 26, 2006, 05:01:16 AM
Thanks to both of you for your repies. I found a good deal on the knight but I didnt know anything about it so I havent bought it yet. I am also looking at a barrel for my encore. I'm not sure which way I will go.

Points above.

No ML or regular shotgun barrels for the encore listed by bergara. Maybe they had one listed for the CVA line but I don't read about trash if I can help it.

oneshotonekill · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2008, 02:08:46 PM »

I just bought a TK 2000 from another member here. I haven't shot it yet, but after looking it over I don't see why you couldn't shoot buckshot. The choke tube on the one I just bought is not overly restrictive, it would probably be close to modified tube. I guess it is a type of jug choke that opens and restricts so depending on what buckshot you load and how you load it you could get pellet deformation. I have a Traditions inline shotgun with screw in choke tubes and I shoot buckshot out of it (modified choke). If you really want to play with buckshot you can order buffering compound from ballistic products to keep the pellets from deforming. I will probably try shooting buckshot in my TK2000 just to see what type of pattern I get.

30-06man · « **Reply #28 on:** April 28, 2008, 03:23:44 PM »

http://www.bergarabarrels.com/products.html Its at the bottom of the page. Its for the CVA though.

Quote from: manofthe45 on April 26, 2008, 06:33:12 AM

Quote from: bigblock455 on April 20, 2008, 05:41:35 PM
Quote from: brasskeeper on December 26, 2006, 05:01:16 AM
Thanks to both of you for your repies. I found a good deal on the knight but I didnt know anything about it so I havent bought it yet. I am also looking at a barrel for my encore. I'm not sure which way I will go.

Points above.

No ML or regular shotgun barrels for the encore listed by bergara. Maybe they had one listed for the CVA line but I don't read about trash if I can help it.

Not sure what you meant when you said "I don't read about trash if I can help it." If you are speaking of Bergara barrels being trash then you are misinformed.

manofthe45 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 28, 2008, 05:18:34 PM »

Nope not the barrels heard some positive and some fair comments made about them. Lets see if I can slip this past the "CVA GESTAPO" I consider newer CVA inlines to be poorly made and unsafe. Personal experience and also think that their customer service stinks, but some swear by them so I guess to each their own and as this is getting off topic this is the last I will discuss my feels on CVA. Have not shot the knight but was given a traditions inline shotgun when he droppped himself in extremly hot water and it was fun to shoot but money got tight and it went out the door. may get a knight one day but think I will end up with a more tradional gun first.