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Ok, I'm in!
« on: December 26, 2006, 10:47:39 AM »
As some of you know, I wandered into this site, thinking about filling in a big gap in my longer range capability with a Handi.  See http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,106920.0.html.  I was considering a 30-30, 45-70 or .308.  It was pointed out that the 30-30 and 45-70 are better short range rifles and some responses recommended the .280 Rem as an alternative.   

Having some time off today, I made some calls to local retailers only to find that Handi's are in very limited supply after the Christmas rush.  So I closed my eyes and jumped.

I now have a nice, new one in 25-06, with Bushnell Banner mounted and ready for the range, as soon as I clean it up and polish the chamber and bore.  Can't wait.

Impulse buy, you say.  Admitted.  Not the caliber I wanted and not even recommended, you say.  Admitted.  Certainly not suitable for hogs, you say.  Admitted. 

But the price was better than Wal-Mart's and I can add other barrels in the future.  I don't remember any significant problems being reported with this caliber.  Let me know if I did make a big mistake.  Looking at ballistics and all that stuff makes my eyes roll around in my head, but I prepared a chart in Excel comparing calibers and the 25-06 doesn't look too bad for deer at reasonable ranges.  Plus it should be perfect for coyotes and other varmints.  Still will want a .308 for more range and for the hogs though.  And that 45-70 should be fun.  And I need to get the stuff to start hand-loading, which I have never done in my 55 years. 

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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2006, 11:20:18 AM »
You've made a great choice, the .25-06 is one of the most accurate of Handis here, I chose it to hunt with my Ultra this year, didn't get anything with it, but it was a joy to carry. I only shoot factory ammo in it so far, the Hornady 117gr BTSP and Federal 115gr Nosler partition both shoot inside an inch with the first 2 shots touching and the third just out a bit with a little vertical stringing making the group moa if I shoot too quick, but the first 2 shots are always right where I want it. At sight in before season this year it put those first 2 in the same hole almost, a real confidence builder!!

I'm a new reloader myself, started a little over 2yrs ago at 57yr old, I have some handloads for the .25-06 made up with the Nosler seconds 115gr Ballistic Silvertips, at $10 a bag of 50, they're great bullets at a very good price. Mac shot them in his .25-06 in factory ammo, shot great.

Everyone needs a .45-70 or three or four ;D, they're a real fun gun, you can load them light or all out kick-the-daylights out of ya if you want, although most shooters stay in the trapdoor to mid levergun data due to the recoil.

Tim

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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2006, 11:42:21 AM »
How big of hogs u talking about takeing with a gun i would think a 25-06 117 grain would do a good job on hogs useing the right bullet i dont know if i would shot those ones in florida that weigh like 600 ponds but i wouldnt be afrayed of shooting one that weighed 200 to 250 or under with this caliber
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2006, 11:50:00 AM »
Tim, I know you said you were shooting the Nosler seconds with good results, what do you think of these solid base for hunting?

http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=11&b=5&s=9

I think they would be great deer hunting bullets for the money? Any thoughts?....<><.... :)
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2006, 12:41:59 PM »
How big of hogs u talking about takeing with a gun i would think a 25-06 117 grain would do a good job on hogs useing the right bullet i dont know if i would shot those ones in florida that weigh like 600 ponds but i wouldnt be afrayed of shooting one that weighed 200 to 250 or under with this caliber

Some big uns.  Maybe 400 lbs I'm guessing to be the biggest seen this year.

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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2006, 12:45:24 PM »
MSP, I've never used the solid base, but from reading about their use by others, they're very popular, and those prices are even better than the seconds!!

Tim
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2006, 01:07:09 PM »
dmills

Very good choice , i did not even think of the 25/06 but it will work well on p-dogs too

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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2006, 01:10:20 PM »
Thnaks Quick, Those may be a special Christmas sale price. I  may try to order some and see how they work out, IF they will send them to me, this left wing, liberal, socialist state has some strange rulings that are only a detriment to honest law abiding citizens!!!....<><.... ::)
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2006, 01:42:29 PM »
If I can send bullets to Fred in Canada, you should darn well be able to receive them in the good ole US of A!! It took a couple weeks, but passed customs just fine!

Tim
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2006, 03:23:10 PM »
Nice. I haven't used a 25-06 Handi yet, but it's on my ever growing list thats for sure. And has been mentioned is one of the more accurate calibers offered in a Handi.
As for the 308..I have never detered anyone interested in the 308. It's an awesome caliber, and very versitile. Not to mention that it doesn't give up as much as many people think to the -06. It's just a very efficient caliber.
And when you start handloading you will see how much versitility each caliber offers. Pick up a good reloading manuel and sit back and enjoy. No rush here. Read it all up and you will find out it's one of those "easy to pick up, but hard to master" hobbys  8)

I look forward to a range report.



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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2006, 03:41:23 PM »
Your combination sounds exciting, very nice choice!

Dunno why a 25/06 wouldn't bring down an old boar, when much lesser caliber's have!

Have fun with your new rifle! ;D

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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2006, 04:01:24 PM »
Massachusetts has a ban on buying any ammunition or reloading componenets through the mail, I cannot even buy lead RB's for my muzzleloader or black powder locally without showing my Firearms Identification Card (FID) or my license to possess a firearm (CCW). This state is terrible. Many smaller companies still mail to an individual but Mass has contacted most large manufacturers and retail distributors and advised them the state will prosecute for selling to citizens (free citizens?) in this state. Most if not all sales and mailings go undected and I have never heard of a single prosecution, it is "feel good" legislation pure and simple and no knows of a single "crime" it has stopped. The only thing it has stopped is large retail chains from being willing to ship ammo or components to residents here so we have to wait longer and pay more for the same products....<><.... >:(
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2006, 04:13:21 PM »
That's pretty bad if MA is more strict than Canada!! >:( Even Republik of Kalifornians can buy mail order components or ammo!

Tim
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2006, 05:10:34 PM »
Dmills, you did alot better with your "impulse" buy than I typically do with mine. I have been using the 25-06 a good deal since the 70's,
(yea I'm 53) & it is one of the best rounds going, esp. in the Handi offerings.

I have shot & witnessed others shoot many Groundhogs, Coyotes & other small Varmits like your friend & mine, the incomparable "possum
on a half shell".  My brother started using one a couple of years or more before me, while I shot rounds like the Swift, 22-250 & others,
but none was better on the longer range Varmits & esp. if the wind was blowing than the 25-06.

As far as big game, we killed MANY AR. Whitetails with this round. We used mostly 117 gr. Sierra Soft point Boat Tails, some of the old Nos. 120 gr. Solid Base & in a pinch, factory Core Lokts.
For a few years I lived in South AR. & I launched a serious albeit underfunded War against the wild Hogs in the bottoms close to my house. I shot several, some with the 25-06 & all were one shot kills. Most were medium sized Hogs & I killed one big Hog, but careful to avoid the grissel plate, as I used cup & draw bullets like those previously mentioned in those days.

In more recent years, we have made several trips to the wonderful State of WY. & we have taken a bunch of Antelope & Mule Deer
with this round. We usually get a Buck Antelope & a Buck Mule Deer tag & then buy Anterless tags over the counter when & where available. As I have said in other threads, others in our party have used many cartridges up to and including the 300WM, but none have performed better than the 25-06 out to 400 yards for Antelope & Mule Deer. In addition to the bullets mentioned above, we have used the 120ge. Nos. Part., 100TSX, 115TSX & the 125 Wildcat. All worked well, no bullet mentioned will carry like the 125 Wildcat, no other
will penetrate like the 115TSX. Looking back, we had more bang-flops with the 117 Sierra than any other& for Mule Deer & Antelope is great. I don't think it is the best for Hogs unless you are able to take the precaution that I mentioned before. If you are not into long range, the 120Nos Part. is the all-round Big Game bullet & flys good out to 400, but the Wildcat is better for over 300 yards.

Dmills, I believe in your case until you get more barrels, I would use the 120 Nos. Part. for all of the Big Game & if you shoot Varmits, the
85BT for them. I would not be afraid to shoot the biggest Hog you have square in the shoulder/grissel plate out to 250 yards of more.
And of course smaller hogs & any of your Deer are toast out to a good 400 yards.
Not only is it a Part., but most people don't know about it's sectional density, which is .260!!! To match that in a 270 you have to get a 140gr, in a 7mm a 150gr & in a 30 a 165 gr.!!! So, my friend the penetration is there. The 308 will give you a little more smack when you get that barrel, but to get the SD. with the 165, your vel will be 2,700-2,800 tops.

With the 25-06, you can start the 120 out at 3,100 easily in the 26" tube. With a 250 yd. sightin, you are only 2.5" high a 100 yds & about 14" low at 400 yds. With a 85BT Varmit load @ 3,600 you can sight once again 2.5" high at 100 & be only -8" at 400 yards. It would be tempting to use a 100 Part. all of the time or a 100BT for Varmits & 100Part or 100TSX for big game, but we have seen more energy/killing power at the longer ranges displayed with the heavier bullets in my view. 

Been there, done that with this round & you are going to love it.

Happy Hunting
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Re: Ok, I'm in!
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2006, 05:40:46 PM »
Thanks for all the good responses.  Good to hear that this is not like the Triumph Spitfire I once bought on impulse.

Rod, thanks for the information.  Looking at the tables, I thought this might be a good starter barrel.  I'll shoot this one some when I go to war with the hogs next month over in Red River County.  Then I'll pack it up for a while when I send it to H&R for the .308.

Don.