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Offline AndyHass

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Postal Match
« on: December 31, 2006, 02:53:23 PM »
This got started in another thread but it deserves its own....

I like the idea of a postal match...I don't have time to run it but I could probably find time to shoot one starting in April/May.

What do people think...100yds is commonly available, simple, and doable with all sights?

Several classes possible:
1) Open class - 100yd, sights unrestricted, projectiles unrestricted, rest unrestricted
2) Open 3-Position - Same as above, except 1 target shot from each of prone, kneeling, standing (sitting is arguable, fewer field shots are done this way and the 3 I mentioned are NRA smallbore standard)
3) Iron Class - Same as Open Class except no scopes (ie standard leaf/post, peeps...no glass)
4) iron 3-Position - Same as Iron Class except 3-position as mentioned above

We could shoot 3 targets in Open/Iron and one in each position in 3-Position each round.

Targets would have to be decided upon.  No time to look up options now...Something scoreable.  Probably different for Open vs Iron.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2006, 03:36:39 PM »
Andy,

Love postal matches.....I'm very much a hermit, and travelling to events is a real chore for me!  Certainly keep us posted on progress!

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2006, 05:46:57 PM »
This sounds like fun! ;D What's involved in getting it started?
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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2007, 02:47:37 AM »
I think this might work for Open Class...
http://www.protargets.com/targets/half-inch-center-2line-3.gif

And this for Iron Class....
http://www.protargets.com/targets/one-inch-center-2line-3.gif

What would be needed to get it started would be someone to either a) do all the scoring, or b) compile scores if we agree to self-score.
Standards would have to be agreed upon for scoring...without real scoring plugs for each bullet caliber that could be used, for instance, everyone could just use a bullet in the hole to see if close shots break the line.

There's already a lot of honor code involved in these, so I'd be fine with the self-scoring.  We could then agree upon windows of time in which to shoot each round of targets.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2007, 04:47:02 AM »
How about using this one for open class? http://www.mytargets.com/Target31.pdf
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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2007, 11:20:33 AM »
I use that one a lot for centerfire.  I didn't suggest it because 1) there are not enough scoring rings, and 2) I thought that 5 target faces on one page might create an issue iwth cross-shooting onto an unintended bullseye (this is debatable, but not everyone who wants to join in the fun might have a MOA shooter).

Or, is everyone going to shoot 10's on the one I suggested, that would be a problem too...

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2007, 12:39:56 PM »
What about this one? http://www.gamecalls.net/free_stuff/targets/600%20reduced%20for%20100.pdf

The black is big enough it could be used for both classes.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2007, 02:43:37 PM »
I don't see a pic on the link wolfhound...

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2007, 02:52:58 PM »
Right click and pick save target as.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2007, 11:07:12 PM »
I am in. Do not realy care what we shot at or how far we shot. Just sounds like a lot of fun. 
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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2007, 02:46:09 PM »
What about this one? http://www.gamecalls.net/free_stuff/targets/600%20reduced%20for%20100.pdf

The black is big enough it could be used for both classes.

I like it....the only change I'd make it to white the X ring to make it easier to see through a scope.  That target is designed for a circular front sight, where you center the whole black in the ring.  Personally I avoid targets like that for sighting in because I find it difficult to be precise with such a big black spot in the scope....the sides are cut off it, I'm going to use it as a model and play in PowerPoint and see what I can create.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2007, 03:28:03 PM »
I modified the target in PowerPoint...basically made the X, 10, 9 rings white so you can pinpoint the X with a scope but still have a large black area for the irons.  I don't have a convenient place to link the file to view, if anyone else does PM me and I'll email it to you to post.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2007, 03:47:39 PM »

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2007, 01:12:17 AM »
We've only got 5 people on the thread....anyone else interested?

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2007, 08:27:56 AM »
What exactly is a postal match???  I know that it's a shooting match, but how does it work???


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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2007, 08:57:13 AM »
kyelkhunter3006, It's a shooting match held once per month,by forum shooters. You have a dead line in which to turn your targets in. Then they are scored by someone(this is the part that no one want's to do),and the results are posted on the forum. Prize money is anywhere from zero to zero! ;D It's all on the honor system,and allot of fun. The biggest hurdle is getting someone to run it. Every one wants to shoot,not work. It is allot of fun,and you get bragging rights that month,for being the CHAMPION ;D. That and $.75 will get ya a cup of coffee!
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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2007, 02:58:41 PM »
This sounds like a good time to me.  I am always looking for another excuse to burn powder.....when I can get the time.  I'll join in the match if we can get it going.  I would volunteer to score, but I will have a hard enough time just getting the shooting done.  Kids, sports, coaching two basketball teams and two baseball teams, eats up most of my free time.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2007, 08:50:31 PM »
I might be interested in punching some targets. Only problem I have right now is getting to the range. We got 20 inches of snow last weekend and it's snowing again right now. I'm at work and not sure I'll be able to get home in the morning much less to the range. Now the forecast says theres another storm on the way for the end of next week. The el nino is good at bringing in moisture to the southwest but it sure messes up the road out to the range, there is a steep hill I have to go up to get to the range and it faces north so it takes weeks to melt. I'm still willing to try if the contest can get organized.
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It's better to shoot for the sky and come a bit short than to shoot for the ground and hit every time. After all, the ground is just a place to start, the sky's the limit.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2007, 02:37:50 AM »
I don't think we'd start shooting before April, I'd guess a lot of people have issues getting a range right now.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2007, 05:15:37 AM »
Andy,

I'm sure my brother would love to participate, although he's not a member of this site!  I've got three other buddies who'd probably shoot.  I could strong arm all of them into going to the range one afternoon!

How many shots on target per group....three....five....ten...?

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2007, 05:17:52 AM »
Wow we have had no and I mean 0 winter in Ohio. 60 F in Jan. My father told me some of the trees on his place looked like they wanted to bud.  
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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2007, 05:21:51 AM »
Wolfhound,

~patrick/target.ppt

This is a powerpoint file??

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2007, 08:37:58 AM »
I think so. Andy Hass did it. I used open office to look at it. It's a free program.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2007, 01:45:47 PM »
We'd have to agree on some rules.  First, does everyone thing that, say, 5 shots would be scoreable shooting with scopes on a single bull, or should I make up a multi-spotted target for the Open class?  If some hawkeye shoots 5 into one hole right on a line it could be difficult to score.

Second, do we need one central person scoring or with a few simple rules as to how shots score do we trust the honor system to self-score, but give the person tabulating the results the right to request mailing of any targets they want to verify (ie if 1st and 2nd place are 1 pt apart)?

I'd say each round should be about 10 shots.  On a 5-spot Open target that'd be 2 targets....I'd think with open sights it'd be ok to shoot 5 shots on each of 2 bulls as I sent out and Wolfhound posted (it's a PowerPoint file and the link opened fine for me).

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2007, 05:11:33 PM »
In open class you would need a 5 spot face target,something like this. http://www.mytargets.com/Target31.pdf
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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2007, 02:58:54 AM »
I'm in, just let me know when you get the rules set up.  I doubt my Knight and I are up to the task of winning it but more range time is more range time! ;D  April sounds good to me, much before that my clubs range is so wet you can't hardly walk to the 100 yard line.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2007, 09:15:19 AM »
Andy,

PowerPoint.....okay.....I'll have to open it from work....my home edition is ancient!

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2007, 12:40:47 PM »
With only fun on the line I see no need for any thing other than honor. A 10 shot round sounds good. The 5 spot will assist open score. Every thing sounds fine. If we get one round in in April we can look at what aspects we liked what ones need revised a refine this as we go.   
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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2007, 10:43:13 AM »
I'll take a go at the rules...comments appreciated.

GENERAL RULES FOR ALL CLASSES
-All rifles loading from the muzzle are legal, no caliber or sabot restrictions, no powder restrictions.
-Range will be 100 yards.
-No time limit will be applied; however, once shooting on a target has commenced it must be finished during the same range session.
-A shooter can compete in as few or as many classes as desired.

SCORING RULES
-For 5-spot targets, the shot must strike the intended bullseye.  If it hits an uninteneded bulleye, score "0" for that shot and mark it aas such on the target.  Use a 3rd target to make up for the wasted bullseye.  If two shots appear on the same bulleye of a 5-spot target, the lowest scoring of the two will count and a "0" will be recorded for the other shot.
-A bullet must only break the plane of the outside of a scoring ring to be scored at the higher value.  A bullet of the same caliber as that shot at the target can be inserted into questionable shots to reveal if the shot did indeed break the plane.
-Shooters will report their score on their honor.  However, targets must be saved and in the case of a very close finish the tabulator can request mailing of the involved targets for a score check.
-The number of "X" will be used to break ties.

OPEN CLASS, UNRESTRICTED REST
-No restrictions on sights
-Any type of rest can be used, as long as the rifle is not held in any type of clamp or vise and the stock recoils against the shooter's shoulder (ie no recoil boxes).
-A five-spot target, to be posted here, is to be used.  Each round will require 10 shots, therefore 2 full targets.  Max score is 100-10X.

OPEN CLASS, 3-POSITION
-No restrictions on sights.
-Each round will be comprised of 15 shots-- 5 shots each prone, kneeling, and standing.  A 5-spot target will be used for prone (1 shot each bull) and a single-bullseye target used for kneeling and standing (5 shots at the single bull).  So max score will be 150-15X.
-Absolutely no form of rest except the shooter's body and a standard sling may be used in any position.

IRON CLASS, UNRESTRICTED REST
-No glass allowed in sights, obviously no magnification -- only iron sights (standard leaf/post, peep).
-Any type of rest can be used, as long as the rifle is not held in any type of clamp or vise and the stock recoils against the shooter's shoulder (ie no recoil boxes).
-A single bull target will be used.  A full round will consist of 2 targets with 5 shots taken on each.

IRON CLASS, 3-POSITION
-No glass allowed in sights, obviously no magnification -- only iron sights (standard leaf/post, peep).
-A full round will consist of 15 shots-- one target of 5 shots from each position (prone, kneeling, standing); a single bull target will be used.
-Absolutely no form of rest except the shooter's body and a standard sling may be used in any position.

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Re: Postal Match
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2007, 02:12:44 PM »
AndyHass,

I think both the rules and classes are fine. 
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