300 wsm

[fatercat]

bought the browning short track in 300 wsm. shot 1/2 box 180 gn. and gave ammo away and sold the rifle the next week. never had any rifle that handed me my as* that bad before.

[Sourdough]

I have had the same experience.  One day at the range a young man at a bench beside me was having a bad time.  I noticed he was jerking the trigger so bad he was totally missing the target at 50 yards.  I went over and looked at what he was doing, I told him to stop and go home.  He was flinching so bad he was not shooting good at all.  The young man told me he was due to go hunting with his new father-in-law the next morning.  His wife had just given him this new rifle, and he had to get it sighted in before he went hunting.  He asked me if I could help him to at least get on the paper.  I took his gun back to my bench and put it in my recoil killing rest.  I removed the bolt, and aligned the scope with the bore.  Then I shot one shot at the center of the target.  That shot moved my rest more than my .338/378 Weatherby(w/brake).  I then aligned the scope with the hole in the target.  Switched to a target at 100 yards, and again did the same thing only adjusting scope two inches below the hole.  Then shot three shots the group was two inches high at 100 yards.  Told the young man his gun was finished but he had a lot of work to do on himself before he would be able to shoot well.  He asked me to shoot it free standing just to see what he was going through.  I turned and took one shot from a standing position, the scope hit my glasses, and my dentures came loose almost leaving my mouth.  Man THAT LITTLE BROWNING KNOCKED THE HECK OUT OF ME!  I recommended he quitely go and exchange it for another Browning in a differant caliber.  That way his wife would never know, and he would have something he could shoot. 

Saw him later at Fredies, he had done as I suggested.  He got a differant Browning in 30-06, still stainless, but standard length action.  Overall gun is longer, but the little lady never knew he exchanged it.  On his hunting trip he was able to get out of shooting anything.  He let his Father-in-law do all the shooting.  But next year he is set.  He has been shooting his new gun and is doing well with it. 

[Don Fischer]

Gotta be the rifle. I was talking to a guy getting ready for an Africa hunt and he bought a Browning in 375 H&H. Said he can barely shoot it. Then he tried another guy's model 70 and said it was fine. How much does that thing weigh and how much drop at heel does it have? Come to thing of it, it could be cast doing it too.

[shilo]

"browning short track" what is that? Must be the gun because the 300WSM is not abusive at all to shoot out of a Winchester stainless classic, which isn't a very heavy gun.

[nasem]

I belive the browning short track is the BAR short track... its thier semi auto.  I know it weights bairly 7 lbs (without the scope), but how can it recoil that bad ?

I have shot the 300 win mag, which I belive should recoil just as much as the WSM.... plus my 300 is in a tikka stainless lite (its  REALLY LITE and can do a number on you if you shoot alot of rounds), but its not that bad to the point of making me flinch my entire target out of sight @ 50 yards.

[Don Fischer]

The firearms and cartridge industries are listening to you. They are providing what you want. Very light weight rifles that propell very heavy bullet's very fast. There is a price to pay and it's recoil. That's why most old guy's that keep shooting end up back at the 30-06 and after 100 yrs, cartridges like it are still going while many of the super zapper's fade.

So if you really want a 6 1/2# rifle in a cartridge that will push a 180gr bullet right at 3000fps, ya got it. I'm quite sure they'll magna port it for you and that might help, someone will. Then someone else will be glad to sell you the new ear protectors you'll need to combat the new muzzle blast. And someone else will sell you one of those decelerator recoil pads. Then there's that thing they stick in the stock to help control recoil. Come to think of it, you need a 6 1/2 pound rifle to add on all these things to control recoil and keep the rifle under 8#. After you get all this done, you'll go out and still shoot your deer under 200yds. But, you'll find that to keep the bullets toegether reliablely, now you'll need more expensive ammo with very tuff bullets. and if you shoot factory ammo and they do discontinue it and the ammo becomes more expensive and hard to find, you'll have a nice action to build a new rifle on!

It's all just rambling!

[fatercat]

i have a 35 whelen that i keep going back too. i can't walk much anymore so i tried a rifle to take the steps for me. don't work!! gonna stick with my old rifles and get me a good mule.

[Luckyducker]

I have a Tikka T3 Lite chambered in the much feared and horrible 300WSM and it will shoot four shots into a cloverleaf group at 100 yds off a bench.  I only shoot 165 grain bullets in it though and if I want to shoot heavier slugs I drag out the 338RUM with 250 grain bullets.  I am not recoil sensative and the Tikka only weighs 6# 6oz but it is doesn't have the felt recoil that my daughter's 30/06 does and it is a starndard model 77 Ruger.  I have also shot the Browning A-bolt in the WSM and I don't consider either of the short mags to be hard kickers.  Just for sh*ts and grins when I was a young showoff in my twenties, a few decades ago, I used to shoot my twelve gauge pump shotgun gripped in one hand like a pistol and had it loaded with 3" mags but I have neither the wrists nor the inclination to do that kind of foolish crap now.

[Sourdough]

Back in the mid 60s Remington made the original short mag.  The .350 Rem Mag, a short .35 cal belted case to fit into a short action.  Then they made the Remington 600.  A really beautiful little gun, 18"barrel with a vented rib, laminated stock, real pretty.  I have one, the only gun I ever bought because of what it looked like.  The first time I shot it, the scope got my safety glasses.  After two more shots I had had enough.  It is the hardest kicking gun I own.  No wonder Remington dropped production, it's a killer from behind.  I do carry it when I am going out hicking and don't want to carry a heavier gun.  But I have not shot it in years and don't plan on shooting it if I don't have to.  In the event it is nessessary, I have no doubt that it will take down anything I need it to.  Under those conditions I don't think I will care about recoil.

[jro45]

My 300 RUM has 37 Ft LBs of recoil shootin a 200gr Nosler Partition and my 300 Win Mag has 30 ft lbs of recoil shoot a 200 gr speer bullet. Neither one hurt me It must be the stock design on that 300 wsm. The stock has alot to do with felt recoil.

[poncaguy]

I'm 65 with a bad shoulder and my Winchester Super Shadow shoots 1/2"- 3/4" groups and recoil is no problem at all.

[daddywpb]

Back in the mid 60s Remington made the original short mag.  The .350 Rem Mag, a short .35 cal belted case to fit into a short action.  Then they made the Remington 600.  A really beautiful little gun, 18"barrel with a vented rib, laminated stock, real pretty.  I have one, the only gun I ever bought because of what it looked like.  The first time I shot it, the scope got my safety glasses.  After two more shots I had had enough.  It is the hardest kicking gun I own.

I have a Ruger M77 in .350 Rem Mag. I put a Limbsaver pad on it, and now it is a pleasure to shoot. The factory pad kicked the snot out of me though. The original Remington 600 was a short, light rifle. The first "Guide Gun". I've never shot one, but I can imagine what it must be like. If it wasn't for the .350 and 6.5 Rem Mags, there wouldn't be any of the incredibly popular WSM's and WSSM's and WSSSSSSM's and so on. At the time, it was a huge advance in ballistics.

[Don Fischer]

Back in the mid 60s Remington made the original short mag.  The .350 Rem Mag, a short .35 cal belted case to fit into a short action.  Then they made the Remington 600.  A really beautiful little gun, 18"barrel with a vented rib, laminated stock, real pretty.  I have one, the only gun I ever bought because of what it looked like.  The first time I shot it, the scope got my safety glasses.  After two more shots I had had enough.  It is the hardest kicking gun I own.  No wonder Remington dropped production, it's a killer from behind.  I do carry it when I am going out hicking and don't want to carry a heavier gun.  But I have not shot it in years and don't plan on shooting it if I don't have to.  In the event it is nessessary, I have no doubt that it will take down anything I need it to.  Under those conditions I don't think I will care about recoil.
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Are you sure that wasn't a 660magnum? Friend of mine had one just as you describe and I though it was the 660 mag. I had a couple 600's and one 660, but in 308 with a walnut stock. Friends was the 350 w/ laminate stock. Recoiled worse than anything I ever shot!

[jro45]

Sometimes its the person shooting. The way the rifle is held, The wood the stock is made of. Theres a lot of different things that have to do with recoil.

[nomosendero]

Back in the mid 60s Remington made the original short mag.  The .350 Rem Mag, a short .35 cal belted case to fit into a short action.  Then they made the Remington 600.  A really beautiful little gun, 18"barrel with a vented rib, laminated stock, real pretty.  I have one, the only gun I ever bought because of what it looked like.  The first time I shot it, the scope got my safety glasses.  After two more shots I had had enough.  It is the hardest kicking gun I own.

I have a Ruger M77 in .350 Rem Mag. I put a Limbsaver pad on it, and now it is a pleasure to shoot. The factory pad kicked the snot out of me though. The original Remington 600 was a short, light rifle. The first "Guide Gun". I've never shot one, but I can imagine what it must be like. If it wasn't for the .350 and 6.5 Rem Mags, there wouldn't be any of the incredibly popular WSM's and WSSM's and WSSSSSSM's and so on. At the time, it was a huge advance in ballistics.

Yes, like the Studebaker Golden Hawk.

[Lawful Larry]

I'm 65 with a bad shoulder and my Winchester Super Shadow shoots 1/2"- 3/4" groups and recoil is no problem at all.

I too am getting on in years, 60, with a bad shoulder also and have a Winchester Super Shadow 70.  I  have no problem shooting it with 165 grs to 220 grs.  It must be the rifle is all I can say. 

[poncaguy]

My 270 WSM Super Shadow is the same way, mild recoil. Like to find one in 325 WSM now............

[TrenchMud]

Had a Browning A-bolt do the same thing. That was the worst feeling rifle I have ever held or fired.
Another Browning did just about as bad. Poorly balanced and just did not handle well at all. Will own no more of them. I would wager it was the poor design of the Browning Rifle and not the cartridge.

[DLEB]

I have this in the Browning A-Bolt Medallion. Accurate and deadly, but at the bench if I don't hold the forend down somewhat it will jump enough to touch my glasses. That being said, I tend not to put the butt stock against my shoulder during range work.

[The Mechanic]

I think lack of enough weight has alot to do with it. My youngest son has a H&R Ultra in .308 which kicks harder than his eldest brother's Savage 110 in 30-06. I have a NEF pardner 12ga that my oldest son won't shoot against his shoulder because it kicks so bad. He goes 260lbs to boot. I've been thinking of going CZ for my next rifle, they run 8# to 10# depending on the model. While that can be alot to carry around in the field it sure helps keep the recoil pulse down.

[R.W.Dale]

 There's a lot more to how recoil is transmitted to the shooter than just weight and velocity.

 Case in point

 I have an old generic brazillian CBC single shot 12ga shotgun mabye weighs 7lbs if that with a hard plastic buttpad. This thing is a pleasure to shoot I can blaze away at squirells almost straight up without even noticing recoil. On a whim I bought a Stevens SxS this shotgun was a tank that weighed every bit of 11 lbs in spite of the extra heft you couldn't stand to shoot more than a half dozen shots in the thing, it would kick the stuffin out of me. Sold it shortly.

 It's all in the cut of the stock.

[GeorgiaTrader]

I just got a Winchester model 70 cfr 300 wsm last week.  First time ever owning one and I love it!!  The recoil is not bad to me for a couple of rounds but after a dozen or so I start feeling it.  Did some reloads this weekend and loaded em up with 150 gr spitzers and 66 grains of h4350.  Didn't take long to figure out that was too much for me to enjoy.