Youth handi .223 wont shoot constant HELP!!

[bigkid]

 

I am at my wits end with my son's New England Arms Handi Rifle in .223 cal. I have tried changing out the scope 3 times thinking it was the scope. Today I put a Nicon Prostaff so I know the scope is not the prob. I have also tried 5 differint types on ammo. It will shoot a couple of rounds in a nice group then a shot or 2 off the paper then maybe back to the groop or somewhere else on the paper. I let the rifle cool down after every shot. Any one else having problems and hopefully some fixes. I have a 9 year old dieing to shoot his first deer this year but can get the dam* thing to shoot consistant.  Oh yea the left side of the forearm was touching the barrel the entire length so I put a rubber o ring in the hole in the forearm between the fforearm and the barrel where the bolt goes the tightened it up.  I can now slip a bollar bill between the barrel and forearm.  I am asking this question on another site and they siand that the oring is a definate no no.  Please help I don't know what elso to do. It is the youth ultra light synthetic.

[myarmor]

Welcome to GrayBeardOutdoors.
Sounds to me that your bore might be a little rough. How many rounds have you put through it so far?
You might need to give her a good polish to smooth things out.
Is there any side to side play with your barrel when you break it open or after closing it?
I haven't had great sucess with the O-Ring on synthetic forearms, wood is a very different story.
What loads have you tried again?
The SuperLights have been reported as more finicky to work with than normal barrel weights too so..


-Aaron

[bigkid]

Welcome to GrayBeardOutdoors.
Sounds to me that your bore might be a little rough. How many rounds have you put through it so far?
You might need to give her a good polish to smooth things out.
Is there any side to side play with your barrel when you break it open or after closing it?
I haven't had great sucess with the O-Ring on synthetic forearms, wood is a very different story.
What loads have you tried again?
The SuperLights have been reported as more finicky to work with than normal barrel weights too so..


-Aaron

So foar I have put probibly 60 or so rounds through it.  I have tryed the Federal 55 gr. HP, Winchester Super X 64 gr. PP, and Remington 55gr. SP.  There is not any side to side play in it.  From looking into older posts I am thinking maybe I need to try some lighter bullets.  It has also been sugested to be to mic the barrel.  This may be a dumb question but would I be looking for .223 inches?

[quickdtoo]

Welcome to GBO! I would highly recommend you read the accurizing help in the FAQs and Help sticky, there are many tips there that will help you get it to shoot well.

Forend pressure will affect any break barrel performance, how the forend fits the barrel and frame is important on a standard barrel, the superlight is even more critical.

Also, make sure there is no oil on the latch or latch shelf, that alone can cause inconsistent accuracy. Make sure you close the action firmly as instructed in the owner's manual, don't close it gently, use a little force.

Trigger pull is very important with the transfer bar, it must be pulled completely to the rear each time or inconsistent pins strikes will cause inconsistent ignition and accuracy.

If after following the info in the FAQ doesn't help, maybe a trip to H&R is necessary, there may be a problem with the bore, but I would think it's something less serious.

The Win 64gr PP is one of the better shooting rounds in the 1:12" twist barrels, dunno how it shoots in the 1:9" barrels, but traditionally, the 50-55gr or lighter bullets shoot best in either, picking one suitable for deer isn't the easiest task, tho.

H&R NEF uses Remington ammo for test firing, I would try the 55gr PSP, the threads below might help ya too.


Tim

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,105657.msg1098298261.html#msg1098298261

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,102889.msg1098281093.html#msg1098281093

[myarmor]

Is your barrel an ejector -slinging empty shells out- or an extractor -pulls them out enough only for you to manuelly pull it the rest of the way out?
Try some different grain of bullets and see. If you are looking for Mid to Heavier bullet then you might need to experiament some more. It's hard to get these little 223 barrels to shoot the heavier grain bullets due to the shallow lands or rate of twist. Still some have had sucess with the Winchester 64gr PP I believe. And I have used Remington 55gr Core-Lokts with decent sucess around 1-  1 1/2" groups.
Go out and pick up a box of Winchester White Box 45grain JHP from Walmart and see how well these shoot. They are not a deer round and are very explosive on varmints. But this should give you a good starting point to any other real problems that may be hurting your accuracy, as these are about the most accurate factory ammo in almost all 223 Handis.

Again it sounds to me that your barrel needs a real good polish to help speed up that break in period. Not all need this, but I know my Ultra took a WHOLE LOT of rounds to do this manuelly and I had about the exact problems you are having.
If you are refering to slugging your bore, I don't see a pressing need to. As I have never heard of an off size bore in a 223 Handi.
And Tim has some good points, with the pull through. That is very important.

[bigkid]

How do I polish the barrell?  Oh yea and you were asking about the ejector or extractor mine is the ejector it throws the shells all the way out. 

[myarmor]

Here ya go. it's really quite simple.... Just take your time.
http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,67490.0.html

The main reason I asked about your ejector or extractor is to be aware of your rate of twist. Most all ejector barrels are a 1-12 

[bigkid]

OK I should have looked at the link before my last question about how to polish.  So now my question is what is JB's all I can think of is JB weld and I know thats not what you are talking about.  If I go to ACADEMY will they have something called JB by the cleaning solvents and Shooters choice will they have that too?