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Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« on: January 03, 2007, 01:50:00 AM »
I picked up my Lyman's GPR today and went over it and finish and fit is not what I would call excellent. To tell the truth its a tad disappointing in places.

Good points:

1. Wood is excellently finished
2. Steel furniture appears to be very well fitted

Bad Points:

1. Some machining marks on barrel (maybe I am being picky and will put it down to giving the gun some individual character)
2. The hammer recess that strikes the nipple is nowhere near in the center and when the hammer is let down under control does not seat and the front rides on the front of the nipple. When trigger is squeezed it does go all the way down but clips the front edge of the nipple, only time will tell if it actually works properly with a cap on the nipple, I really don't think it will but I will give it the benefit of the doubt until I get to the range Saturday. It does not appear there is any way of adjusting the lock assembly forward .010-020" for a better fit.

So overall the Lyman GPR is a bit disappointing in my opinion when compared to the finish, fit and quality I have found on my Uberti C&B pistols for example also made in Italy. Maybe this is a one off but if this is the quality to expect from Lyman's, I don't think I would ever get another Lyman's rifle.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 02:02:25 AM »
I had a gpr and seem the tool marks on the barrel was as you stated,the hammer had the same problem off center seem it would sit too far forward.I did file the nipple down and use a dremel tool to open up the inside of the hammer seat.
The gun shot excellent with 3F goex did not care for 2F the only draw back I found was a little to barrel heavy for me and did part with it.

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 02:28:12 AM »
i have to agree, i bought mine new back in july, my main problem was the wedges that lock the barrel, if the back one was secure the front was loose and visa versa. i ended up loosing one i called and told them about it, all they would say was it must have been a one time thing. but apperantly i am not the only one dissapointed with their guns. they said they would send me a new one for 6.00 i told them forget it i would make one.my hammer is also off to one side. i do have to say the accuracy is very good though. would i buy another not likely unless it was an older one i have a trade rifle that is several years old it has a lot better fit and finish. i say every one that has complaint should call and state it to them  it might not do any good but it cant hurt.

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2007, 04:03:09 AM »
I noticed the rear wedge is extremely tight and the front wedge almost falls in but that is very easily rectified.

Another odd thing is the that in the box the rifle came with the standard Lyman User Manual and a second manual which is yellow pages and the maximum loads are different in both. I dont see this as a problem as I am sure the most accurate load will be far below maximums anyway. Just thought the contradiction was a bit odd.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 04:34:19 AM »
I seen a lyman trade flinter 54 cal. for sale over in PA. at walmart had think the price was $199.00 would be about 5 years ago and the wood and metal fit was excellent .I do  here a lot of problems with to-days rifle seem there workmanship is going down the tube.
DIXON over in PA. is the warranty service for lyman if parts are needed

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 04:37:59 AM »
Is nothing sacred? Lyman quality is going downhill.
I remember Austin Halleck making beautiful guns for several years. Then I started reading posts like this for a several months, poor quallity from the A&H.
A few months later Austin Halleck was out of business.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 04:52:29 AM »
These are the first complaints I ever heard about the Lyman GPR.  I had one for years and switched to custom long rifles.  Maybe the current ones are lesser quality.  The thing I especially liked was that the stock fit me better than any TC gun.  The flint lock was better quality and that it had a longer barrell.  It was actually more traditional looking and didn't have the shiny brass.  I had a TC Hawkin earlier and the barrel channel wasn't  cut properly and the fit was terrible.  I was always losing barrel wedges from the TC, because of the way the barrel channel was miscut.  Both were purchased new. 

The two wedges can be a problem with the Lyman.  I fixed that by putting a thin cloth patch between the wood and the bottom barrel flat between the two tenons.  Just enough spring to keep both tight.   

Here in PA, we have a flint only season and TC's frizzens were notoriously unreliable 20 yrs ago, due to thin case hardening on the frizzens.   (What good is a warranty replacement when your gun is constantly down waiting for a new frizzen)      The Italian made frizzens sparked more reliably and alot of folks here opted for the Lyman or CVA because of TC's frizzen problem.    (I assume they fixed that by now)       In todays's market here, traditions has a pretty low reputation and the only alternative production flintlocks for the Pa season are TC and Lyman. 

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 07:26:26 AM »
mg 66 i agree fixing the wedge would be an easy fix (if i had not lost it) but why should i have to on a new gun, if it was used i could understand but it should be right on a new one. i really think lyman has put their quality control on the way side. like i said before my older lyman is top notch. but the new ones are questionable.

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2007, 07:51:28 AM »
You have to "bow" the wedge pins to make them snug. Place flat side of wedge pin on an open end wrench and wack the center to give it a slight bend. Adjust until it fits snuggly. You have to do this with all brands of wedge pins.

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 09:17:04 AM »
I have a Great Plains Rifle in .54 and one of the wedge pins was loose. I removed the bbl, and the tenon and sanded it down it now fits great. The hammer to nipple was a little off but not enough to hurt. The wood to metal is good. My rifle now has a glass bedded bbl and tang. Have fun. Swany
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2007, 12:54:11 PM »
I put a few caps on mine this evening and way over 50% of them, the hammer falls and NO BANG on the first trigger pull. Cock and try again and it will fire. This is not giving me any confidence to deer hunt with.

I will give Lymans a call but I know exactly what will happen. Send it back to us .... after paying $450, now I will pay shipping to and from .... needless to say I am not a happy camper.

The other alternative is to start working on a brand new never fired gun to make it work, how it was suppose to work out of the box .... or I could just send it back and get my money back.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2007, 01:16:43 PM »
$450.00 sound a lot for that gun: would it be you purcase it from cabelas?
http://www.dnrsports.com/acatalog/D___R_Catalog_Lyman_Muzzleloaders_1529.html

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2007, 01:19:15 PM »
That's a pretty high price for a GPR.

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2007, 01:30:51 PM »
I live in Illinois and cannot buy online and know of no FFLs close to where I live. I have to go to the nearest gun shop in Kentucky to purchase any firearms. It sucks when I see the low online prices of guns, ammo, etc.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2007, 01:48:01 PM »
mg66; give the posts;another bobcat owner and bobcat ignition problem solved, a read. I had a similar problem with a bobcat it was solved by a change of caps from magnum to regular no11 in my case , good luck: the garg

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2007, 02:57:14 PM »
As far as the hammer hitting the nipple, try adjusting the lock in the stock. A little tilt is all that is needed. My wifes Traditions was like that. As for the fit and finish of the rifles, a co worker and I just talked about that today. The price of the lower end rifle has not increased like most other things around us. I picked up a new Remington 788 more than 25 years ago and it cost me $235 Canadian. I can get a new Savage rifle with a scope for around $400. I got a Lyman Deerstalker 14 years ago and paid around $200, and just ordered a Trade rifle for $329. That is not much of an increase in that time. They keep cutting corners to keep the price down so we will buy them. If we want top quality we must pay for it, and top quality is out there, but not in my price range.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 02:57:45 PM »
double falls most likely are a problem of the nipple  or the caps . rearly  in a new weapons is it a main spring problem

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2007, 08:18:04 PM »
I live in Illinois and cannot buy online and know of no FFLs close to where I live. I have to go to the nearest gun shop in Kentucky to purchase any firearms. It stinks when I see the low online prices of guns, ammo, etc.

You are telling me nobody in Illinois can buy a BP rifle online ?   ???  Whats wrong with those people ?

You don't need a  FFL  to buy a black powder rifle online.  You just buy it & they UPS it to you. 

I thought the only place you couldn't do it was Washington DC ?   ???
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2007, 08:58:35 PM »
I called Illinois State Police and they confirmed that no firearms and ammo can be purchased online and shipped to Illinois unless to a FFL.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2007, 12:23:24 AM »
A muzzleloader is not a firearm.

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2007, 03:04:14 AM »
Both of my Lyman GPR's (50 and 54) do this.  You have to make sure that the cap is fully seated on the nipple.  Push it all the way down.  After you figure out the tricks of the gun (I built mine as kits and that helped), they are wonderful shooters. 

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I put a few caps on mine this evening and way over 50% of them, the hammer falls and NO BANG on the first trigger pull. Cock and try again and it will fire. This is not giving me any confidence to deer hunt with.

I will give Lymans a call but I know exactly what will happen. Send it back to us .... after paying $450, now I will pay shipping to and from .... needless to say I am not a happy camper.

The other alternative is to start working on a brand new never fired gun to make it work, how it was suppose to work out of the box .... or I could just send it back and get my money back.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2007, 04:19:13 AM »
I used CCi #11 caps and from experience on my C&B pistol CCI caps require a more solid hit to ignite than Remington caps. I am going to try to get some remmie #11 caps today so I can try both CCI and Remmie at the range this weekend. There are a couple of other adjustments I am going to try also, like using a dremmel and removing a few thou from the front inner surface of the hammer recess to ensure there is enough clearance when capped.

I am now figuring this is all part of getting to know the gun ... just too much fun in the sun for me. Not use to privitive guns I guess

I hope I get this GPR working well as I have heard nothing but great things about the accuracy.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2007, 05:26:29 AM »
A muzzleloader is not a firearm.

 yes a muzzleloader is a firearm and is covered as such by most all states .
that being said  most all states do not include it as a fire arm covered under the FFA  hence no back grounds and no restrictions .
 However   with the strong push and technological advancements of the modern muzzleloading  weapons , a couple of states have now went to  treating muzzleloaders of all descriptions as the same  as those covered under the FFA . Hence  you have to have them shipped to  someone with an FFL .
 
Now I could be wrong here but I believe you can purchase  on line . However  that purchase either has  to be from a FFL holder OR it must be delivered to an FFL  who in turn has to do the background before turning the firearm over .
Times are changing fellas . The more manufactures push to   push comparisons to those of  center fire smokeless weapons them more muzzleloaders are going to be treated as such   

 if you need an FFL holder  many of the gun auction sites have  searches that they  most time perform for free . I guarantee that there is a  number of holder very close to  you

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Very Poor Quality
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2007, 05:33:25 AM »
I used CCi #11 caps and from experience on my C&B pistol CCI caps require a more solid hit to ignite than Remington caps. I am going to try to get some remmie #11 caps today so I can try both CCI and Remmie at the range this weekend. There are a couple of other adjustments I am going to try also, like using a dremmel and removing a few thou from the front inner surface of the hammer recess to ensure there is enough clearance when capped.

I am now figuring this is all part of getting to know the gun ... just too much fun in the sun for me. Not use to privitive guns I guess

I hope I get this GPR working well as I have heard nothing but great things about the accuracy.

take a good look at you nipple while your at it . most likly you will find that the cap is not seating all the way down . the hammer may be having to seat the cap on the first fall and then ignights it on the secound drop .
 IMO if you have to push the cap down hard with you thumb to  get it to rest properly , its to tight

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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2007, 05:54:58 AM »
New Jersey treats muzzleloaders the same as modern firearms. Most of the states in the deep south have few if any restrictions on muzzleloaders.
Illinois is beyond the pale. You have to have a firearms owners ID card to buy ammo.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2007, 08:52:18 AM »
New Jersey treats muzzleloaders the same as modern firearms. Most of the states in the deep south have few if any restrictions on muzzleloaders.
Illinois is beyond the pale. You have to have a firearms owners ID card to buy ammo.

Correct. You can buy ammo and ship it to Illinois if they have a copy of your FOID on record but an ever increasing amount of online ammo vendors, to avoid hassles just say they cannot ship to Illinois.

EDIT: I reload most of my own ammo and buying individual components is not a problem.
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Re: Lyman's 54 Cal GPR Quality
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2007, 12:11:42 PM »
Illinois is beyond the pale. You have to have a firearms owners ID card to buy ammo.

Then I would Move !   >:(
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