300 Weatherby ?????

[Justice Trimble]

 

Hi Guys,

I recently came into possession of a 1970's model Mark V 300 Weatherby Mag Deluxe.  After reading up on it, I was able to determine there is quite a bit of discussion on some threads regarding whether or not it needs a muzzle brake or not.  Some say it's not needed if you put a decent recoil pad on it.  I've read some threads that suggest you put a mercury recoil reducer in the stock.

My point to this is to just ask around what people think of muzzle brakes in general. If anyone has a muzzle brake on Weatherby?  If they like it or not? 

I also wanted to know if the wood stock on the Deluxe model has a hole in the butt of the stock to put a recoil reducer in it or do you have to drill it out? 

So.......what do you guys think?

Thanks for your time.

JT

[Rogue Ram]

DON'T DO IT.  Recoil is a subjective thing. I had a .300 Wea at one point, with 180 grainers or bigger it did thump me, but not as bad as a 7 pound .340 stomped me later. I say don't do it because depending on the brake you'll cut some barrel off installing it........and may want to cut more off to make the rifle handle better......then what is the point of having a Weatherby caliber in the first place as you've made it ballistically a .300 Win by cutting the barrel down.

The other big argument is the NOISE. I don't care whose brake a person uses, they are all LOUD. The infamous 7 pound .340 mentioned above literally shoved my shooting glasses INTO MY FACE the first time I shot it (that mess is another story), and after a brake was installed it was like shooting a .30-06 or .270......except it would ring your bell big time.

Didn't this gun come with a nice black rubber pad???  I have a 1971 Weatherby catalog  and the deluxe rifles show recoil pads, in fact I think they were Pachmayer (sp?).

I say shoot it and decide for yourself, you are the only one who can decide. Me, no more brakes, period..........unless or until somehow something is developed that keeps the noise down without turning the rifle into something too long to use.

Good luck

RR

[jro45]

I'd say brakes are fine on the bench on my 338 RUM but then I take it off for hunting. On the bench I wear ear protection, hunting I try to remember to bring some ear protection  to wear but sometimes I forget.

[R.W.Dale]

 I've found that if you go with a brake that has no ports on bottom the increase in noise in minimal (IF you shoot a 300 mag much without protection you'll go deaf brake or no) I believe this is due to bot getting sound and pressure waves reflected back at you by the ground.
 In a wide open space in the field I cannot tell any diffrence in noise with my 300wby pre or post brake. The brake I purchased from scorehighgunsmithing.com knocked my 300 WBY's recoil down to the same level as my CZ 7.62x39.

[Justice Trimble]

Krochus,

Can you unscrew that brake, take it off and replace it with some sort of screw on cap to cover the threads with?  The Weatherby Accubrake comes with an extra cap to place on the end of the barrel when you take the brake off to hunt with it. 

THanks for your response.  Your info is helpful.

JT

[R.W.Dale]

Krochus,

Can you unscrew that brake, take it off and replace it with some sort of screw on cap to cover the threads with?  The Weatherby Accubrake comes with an extra cap to place on the end of the barrel when you take the brake off to hunt with it. 

THanks for your response.  Your info is helpful.

JT

 Yes I can unscrew the above brake and have a cap fitted. But honestly after shooting this rifle with the brake I wouldn't think of doing such a thing.

[nasem]

My opinion is... if the recoil of a specific round bothers you, here is a simple solution, go down to "lesser" round.... don't install a muzzle break.  If the 300 wby or any other 300 magnum bothers you, go down to a 30-06 or even a 308.

if you REALLY like the magnum and don't want to deal with its recoil (unless your on the field hunting), spend 200 dollards on a lead slead (forgot the name) and it will eat up all the recoil of ALL your guns (instead of spending $150 for every muzzle break you install).  Think about it, 1 slead for ALL your guns.

So the answer to you muzzle break question is... "no"

[R.W.Dale]

My opinion is... if the recoil of a specific round bothers you, here is a simple solution, go down to "lesser" round.... don't install a muzzle break.  If the 300 wby or any other 300 magnum bothers you, go down to a 30-06 or even a 308.

if you REALLY like the magnum and don't want to deal with its recoil (unless your on the field hunting), spend 200 dollards on a lead slead (forgot the name) and it will eat up all the recoil of ALL your guns (instead of spending $150 for every muzzle break you install).  Think about it, 1 slead for ALL your guns.

So the answer to you muzzle break question is... "no"

 I'm sorry but using a Led Sled all the time in no way resembles rifle shooting. You have to shoot a rifle like you intend to hunt to become profecent, and hanging onto a bag of lead shot squeezing a trigged in no way prepares you for that. The ONLY reason I shoot a 300wby is because I like a 300 wby and if $175 buck can allow me to do as much shooting as I like in any position I concider that money well spent.

 

[Jimi]

I have a .300 Weatherby and absolutely love it. Part of the reason I love it is my Saturn muzzle brake. No one has ever done this, but if anyone ever comes up to me at a rifle range complaining that my gun is too loud, I am going to get a good laugh. It's rather like going to a gym and having someone complain because you're sweating. It's a rifle range... it's supposed to be loud! That is why we wear ear protection.

If a brake allows you to enjoy shooting more, you will shoot more. If you shoot more, you will become more proficient... and that's a good thing. The only time I take my brake off is when I am on safari, because my PH is often times pretty much right there at the end of the barrel. But otherwise, it's a no brainer. And to be candid, I don't believe my rifle is significantly louder than other non-muzzled rifles.

A nuance to muzzle brakes is that the larger the port, the more effective and less noisy it will be, and the best ones are only ported on the sides. I don't believe Saturn is around anymore and have not seen another of this style. However, I have seen some custom work so my suggestion is to find a gunsmith that has done some of this work. You won't be sorry.

[Brithunter]

Sheesh I know some folks are Name calling removed but this one just about takes the biscuit :-

I have a .300 Weatherby and absolutely love it. Part of the reason I love it is my Saturn muzzle brake. No one has ever done this, but if anyone ever comes up to me at a rifle range complaining that my gun is too loud, I am going to get a good laugh. It's rather like going to a gym and having someone complain because you're sweating. It's a rifle range... it's supposed to be loud! That is why we wear ear protection.

     It's not so much the noise it's the darn blast directed sideways youName calling removed . 

     Try sighting a rifle in when some Name calling removed is blasting away with a darned brake. Your just lined about to squeeze the trigger and Wham the rifle is knocked sideways slightyl by that darn brake.

     Had some Name calling removed do this at Bisley Running deer range some years ago. But unfortuneatly for him I had my P-H 1100M in the car wit some nice hot ammo  went and got it and pulled the bench back jjust a touch made sure the muzzle was pulled as far back as possible and touched off. Man you should have heard him complain. Oh I forgot to mention the 1100M is chambered for .458 Win Mag  it was OK for him to blast away but he didn't like any in return.

    There are a lot of guys getting brakes for their rifles at our range and it's unpleasent trying to test ammo and sight in with all this sideways blast. Well I am about the re-barrel a rifle and I will thread the barrel as I am going to be getting a Sound Moderator (silencer) well as it's going to be threaded I will make myself a brake with the total aim of creating as much balst angled to hit the next shooter as possible and I will take it to the range every tiem I go just in case  and if one of those brakes upsets my testing of sighting in out it will come for payback with interest. Seems liks I need a nice hig intesity cartridge for this that produces lots of high velocity gas. Heck accuracy won't matter it's just to irritate those ingnorant people off


Language cleaned up by Moderator to make post appropiate for the family oriented forum, message is the same just friendlier and still gets your point accross. ---and I hope you get mine also!  DD

[Jimi]

I didn't realize that this BB allowed name calling, Brithunter. I'm not going to go there with you, but I hope you know that you sound like a manure salesman with a mouthful of samples. Now we're whining about sideways blast? Give it a break, son.

[nasem]

I don't agree with the name calling...

But I defenetly agree with Brithunter... its not the noise people complain about... its the freaking blast that annoys the horse p!ss out of me ESSPECIALLY if the person is sitting 1 or 2 benches away.

As far as the lead slead comment goes, I don't belive in lead sleads I don't even have one, I only recommended to the starter of this thread as a FINAL resort to help him zero his rifle in IF the magnum recoil was getting to him.

My opinion is... if the recoil of a specific round bothers you, here is a simple solution, go down to "lesser" round.... don't install a muzzle break.  If the 300 wby or any other 300 magnum bothers you, go down to a 30-06 or even a 308.

if you REALLY like the magnum and don't want to deal with its recoil (unless your on the field hunting), spend 200 dollards on a lead slead (forgot the name) and it will eat up all the recoil of ALL your guns (instead of spending $150 for every muzzle break you install).  Think about it, 1 slead for ALL your guns.

So the answer to you muzzle break question is... "no"

 I'm sorry but using a Led Sled all the time in no way resembles rifle shooting. You have to shoot a rifle like you intend to hunt to become profecent, and hanging onto a bag of lead shot squeezing a trigged in no way prepares you for that. The ONLY reason I shoot a 300wby is because I like a 300 wby and if $175 buck can allow me to do as much shooting as I like in any position I concider that money well spent.

How can someone get themselves comfortable shooting a rifle at the range with a muzzle break ?  so when you go hunting, you take off the muzzle break ? or keep it on ?
IF you take it off, its no longer the same gun you "got your self used to" at the range
If you keep the break, then noise level is defenetly going to be louder....loud enough to be almost bad for someone's ear drums

Like I said before, if you can't handle the recoil of the magnums, step down to a lesser caliber.

[R.W.Dale]

I don't agree with the name calling...

But I defenetly agree with Brithunter... its not the noise people complain about... its the freaking blast that annoys the horse p!ss out of me ESSPECIALLY if the person is sitting 1 or 2 benches away.

As far as the lead slead comment goes, I don't belive in lead sleads I don't even have one, I only recommended to the starter of this thread as a FINAL resort to help him zero his rifle in IF the magnum recoil was getting to him.

My opinion is... if the recoil of a specific round bothers you, here is a simple solution, go down to "lesser" round.... don't install a muzzle break.  If the 300 wby or any other 300 magnum bothers you, go down to a 30-06 or even a 308.

if you REALLY like the magnum and don't want to deal with its recoil (unless your on the field hunting), spend 200 dollards on a lead slead (forgot the name) and it will eat up all the recoil of ALL your guns (instead of spending $150 for every muzzle break you install).  Think about it, 1 slead for ALL your guns.

So the answer to you muzzle break question is... "no"

 I'm sorry but using a Led Sled all the time in no way resembles rifle shooting. You have to shoot a rifle like you intend to hunt to become profecent, and hanging onto a bag of lead shot squeezing a trigged in no way prepares you for that. The ONLY reason I shoot a 300wby is because I like a 300 wby and if $175 buck can allow me to do as much shooting as I like in any position I concider that money well spent.

How can someone get themselves comfortable shooting a rifle at the range with a muzzle break ?  so when you go hunting, you take off the muzzle break ? or keep it on ?
IF you take it off, its no longer the same gun you "got your self used to" at the range
If you keep the break, then noise level is defenetly going to be louder....loud enough to be almost bad for someone's ear drums

Like I said before, if you can't handle the recoil of the magnums, step down to a lesser caliber.

 All that's required is a concept of courtsey and muzzle controll at the range. I've fired my 300 hundreds of times and have yet to fire this rfle with anybody closer than 40' either side. Heck I even go out of my way to use the bench on the end of the firing line. Do you start blastin away with your 06 when the guy next to you is roughly paraell with your muzzle for whatever reason?

 Is this a totally alien concept?

 In the field all that's required is a $3 set of these.

[jro45]

                 
      krochs

       Thats the kind I use in the field hunting. They work great, they cut the noise level do to about 60 DB
    Witch is aceptable.

[beemanbeme]

I think Brithunter is exactly right on.  And thus many ranges are outlawing rifles with brakes on the firing line.  I think that's a good thing.

 If you can't handle the rifle, perhaps you ought to move down to something you can.

I am not particularly big nor macho but I shoot a .338WM without any discomfort.  The point is you've got to shoot it regularly.  You can't pull it out of the closet once a year and expect to be able to control it. 

[R.W.Dale]

I think Brithunter is exactly right on.  And thus many ranges are outlawing rifles with brakes on the firing line.  I think that's a good thing.

YEAH! And while we're at it we can ban the use of steel cored ammo. We can also get rid of rapid firing. That way EVERY gun range can be as if you live in California. OH! we also gotta ban those EVIL.50s



 



I swear we live in a country full of whiners. Do you complain about the cars needing mufflers at a NASCAR race?

 How about those obnoxiouxly loud pipes on Harleys guys seem to dig those.


 I swear more people would rather get thier underwear in a bunch over sombody elses rifle rather than asking a simple. "Would you mind letting me know before you shoot that thing, I'd like to step back."

[Pinkerton]

I've had a Win 70 in 300 Weatherby for about 3 years, no break and wouldn't think of putting one on it. This is just my opinion, but in my experience the best thing to do if you have issues with recoil is to shoot it until you get over it. When I was 15 I bought a 7 mag from my brother-in-law. After shooting 5 rounds off the bench I realized I was dreading the recoil and flinching terribly. That summer about 3  nights a week after work for about two months I would fire 40 rounds concentrating on good technique, and afterwards make up more reloads for the next session. And told myself,"it's gonna kick so I better just get over it if I want to make deceint shots"  Like flooding therapy I just psyched myself up and got used to the recoil, and also became a better shooter in the process. Now whenever I shoot anything, the recoil is just an afterthought.

[K.K]

Personally, I do not favor breaks for the above reasons. I, too shoot a 300 Weatherby, but the stock design fits me well, and mitigates recoil nicely. I have yet to get pounded. I haven't noticed recoil when shooting at game.  You may want to try a Sims recoil pad (permanent, or slip on), and make sure that your scope has adequate eye-relief.  These confidence builders can go a long way to improving your shooting and recoil perception, when you know that you won't get belted by the rifle or scope.

[Brithunter]

Well folks for your information ear plugs will help your hearing slightly but they will not mitigate against brakes. You need to cover the area surronding your ears as the increased blast from brakes and porting is transmitting to the inner ear through the bone and you will still go deaf. Quite simple really.

    Now if you find causing someone to lose their hearing funny then quite simply you are sick in the head.

     Muzzle breaks are fashion accessories ......................................... period. Same as plastic and commoed everything  .

     Hmm have been thinking about te MB I will make and have decided to make it as unpleasent as I possibly can and seeing as how accuracy does not matter I will shorten the barrel to about 16". The barrel is badly worn so it's no loss  and using the 110 grn Rem bullets in the .270 with about 60 grains of IMR 4831 should provide plenty of hight pressure gases for diversion towards the other shooters who are using MB's for no other reason than it's fashionable. A darned Sako TRG in .308 does not need a muzzle brake  simple as that. Oh it's mandatory to wear ear defenders on our range  I use plugs as well as ear defenders.

    It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the complaints from these shooters about the .270 and MB. I will have to se what material I have in the workshop to make it out of.

   Oh and another thing sighting a rifle in with the MB fitted then removing it for use in the field may alter the POI. You really ned to check that this is not the case before taking the rifle afield after game.

   As for krochus ,

      Well when 5 guys on the range are using rifles like Sako TRG's, Tikka T3 Taticals, RPS Range master and even one loony has had a P-H 1200 P fitted with a MB .............. Sheesh out of 8 lanes you either try and shoot or you go home. So I will educate them but making a really obnoxious Muzzle Brake and then they can see what it's like.  Oh and NASCAR is boring and straight through pipes actually harm performance in most cases and also the engine ..................... been there and got the T-shirt  and what has steel cored or even jacketed ammo got to do with obnoxious MB's?


Comments deleted---Arguing with the Moderator isn't allowed either...so play nice in the sandbox and check you PM's...DD

[R.W.Dale]

Well folks for your information ear plugs will help your hearing slightly but they will not mitigate against brakes. You need to cover the area surronding your ears as the increased blast from brakes and porting is transmitting to the inner ear through the bone and you will still go deaf. Quite simple really.

 

 Where do you get this bogus "information"?  I'm in the unique position that through working in a very loud enviroment (steel industry) of having my hearing tested 3 times yearly after hundreds of rounds of 300 wby through my braked rifle just using a set of Howard Leight foam plugs I've suffered NO hearing loss whatsoever. The foam plugs offer excellent sound attenuation over muffs. You don't think your skull will conduct sound around a set of muffs?

 Trust me there are a lot louder things in life you can be around than a braked 300 wby.


 Us Americans only believe in name calling WHEN THERE'S A REASON  for it not as part of normal conversation.

[Brithunter]

Well it actually came from the HSE a government safety organisation. These are the same folks who now recommend the use of sound moderators for shooting to protect against hearing damage and reduce noise pollution.

  Oh and transmitting sound through bone is how hearing aids work 

[R.W.Dale]

  Oh and transmitting sound through bone is how hearing aids work 

 So I guess to be safe we should encase our heads in styrofoam to be safe when shooting?

[beemanbeme]

I think it would be nice if some folks encased their entire body in styrofoam.  Especially the ones that don't understand the term: "common courtesy".  And, while we're on that subject, let's get rid of the guys with the rambo rifles that spray hot brass over several other positions. 
K, if you work in a steel foundry and haven't experienced any hearing loss, you haven't worked there long or you work in the office.   

[R.W.Dale]

I think it would be nice if some folks encased their entire body in styrofoam.  Especially the ones that don't understand the term: "common courtesy".  And, while we're on that subject, let's get rid of the guys with the rambo rifles that spray hot brass over several other positions. 
K, if you work in a steel foundry and haven't experienced any hearing loss, you haven't worked there long or you work in the office.   

 First off Who said anything about workin in a foundry, I work in HEAVY steel fabrication for the last 10 years. If you take the time to wear hearing protection EVERY DAY you won't experiance any hearing loss. I might die from some kind of nervous disorder from breathin all kinds of heavy metal laced fumes. But at least my hearing will be OK

  And, while we're on that subject, let's get rid of the guys with the rambo rifles that spray hot brass over several other positions. 

 Then build your own range and quit crying.


 HOW DARE! somebody have a rifle at the range I don't approve of.

[beemanbeme]

That's funny. I do have my own range. Out to 250 yards. Its nice not having to put up with the types that feel because they've paid their whole dollar admission they get to act like they own the place.

[Brithunter]

  Oh and transmitting sound through bone is how hearing aids work 

 So I guess to be safe we should encase our heads in styrofoam to be safe when shooting?

  Hmmm it seems that krochus is the only person to have worked in an engineering enviroment which is noisy  . Sorry dear fellow but I have worked in engineering a lot longer than you have and my father spent almost all his working life doing so. Yes his hearing is damaged as is his left hand due to an industrial accident back in 1953. I have met the macho types at work before. One guy tried making fun of me for using hearing protection in a cam auto shop but the funny thing was he was deaf as a post from the racket in there over the years.

    Seeing as how krochus  is the only one right on this site (according to krochus that is) then the rest should just bow down and worship krochus beliving all that krochus says.

    Now seeing as how Muzzle Brakes deflect the sound back to other shooters and that MB's also help increase the blast and sound levels has krochus considered the fact that should his beloved MB damage some one else's hearing that he might be liable for damages. I am sure that there are Lawyers who would take up such a case  Just something to consider in todays sue happy society  .

[jro45]

It seems to me that the people that complain about noise at a rifle range aut to get some better ear protection. Those cheap ear protecters aren't any good for shooting rifles with breaks on them.My ear protection knockes down very loud rifle shooting to about 50 DBs Witch is exceptable.

[Brithunter]

Hmmmmm well it seems that I must repeat myself 


    It's not so much the noise but the objectionable blast from MB's which is the problem. It's impossible to sight in or test loads fro accuracy with a darned braked rifle knocking it off aim.

[R.W.Dale]

    Seeing as how krochus  is the only one right on this site (according to krochus that is) then the rest should just bow down and worship krochus beliving all that krochus says.

 Brithunter you're just mad cause you had to sit next to some inconciderate jerk at the range who ruined your shooting session and now you want to place the blame on all muzzle brakes instead of one jerk.


 My father is also half deaf, but his came from commanding a gun crew on an 8" howitzer for 30yrs and being too stubborn to wear hearing protection. The moral to the story, don't blame loud noises when you're too stubborn to take precautions. HEARING PROTECTION WORKS PERIOD!

Sorry dear fellow but I have worked in engineering a lot longer than you have and my father spent almost all his working life doing so. Yes his hearing is damaged as is his left hand due to an industrial accident back in 1953.

 DID HE WEAR HEARING PROTECTION??

[Sourdough]

I have a Weatherby Accumark in 338/378 with a factory brake.  The end of the barrel is threaded and lost no length for this.  There is a coller to screw on when you don't want to use the brake.  The brake simply screws on and off.  The recoil is tremendous with out the brake, with the brake it is comperable to a .308 Win.  The noise is also tremendous with the brake.  Hearing protection is required, and it will damage the shooters hearing without protection.  When at the bench, after I set off the first shot, the people next to me usually move.

I do use the brake for hunting.  I also carry and use earmuffs in the field, ear plugs don't do it.