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Offline Bear

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« on: April 30, 2003, 01:45:12 PM »
Ok gents, I know quite a few of you run dual outboards on the back of your rigs.  Here is my question.  We have a 19' Alumicraft with dual 70 hp outboards on the back.  Our load will be in the 800-1000 lb range, any idea of what kind of gal/hour ratio we can expect ?  There are dual 19 gal tanks in the boat and we plan on taking 35 gal to get back.  Do you think this should be sufficient to make a 120 mile trip ?  I'd hate to run out of gas on the way back.   :bye:

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2003, 02:58:37 PM »
I think Dave runs an outboard, but here's my guess...

Each engine probably burns around 6-7gph (gallons per hour) and assuming you can cruise 30knots, it should take about 4 hours to make the 120 mile trip.  I'm also assuming the 120 mile figure is for a round trip, not one way.

So, 4 hours at 14gph (7gph x 2 engines) is 56 gallons burned.

Again, assuming round trip is 120, then one way is 60 miles.  At 30knts it should take two hours to get there.  Your fuel burn for two hours is 28 gallons.

Using the time honored formula of 1/3 gas out, 1/3 gas back, and 1/3 for reserve, it looks like this...

28 gallons out
28 gallons back, and
28 gallons reserve.

So round up to thirty gallons, than 90 gallons needed.

This all based on 'best guess' figures, you should go fill the boat up, then run it for a couple hours, come back and refuel, the divide the gallons added to the tank by the time you ran the boat.  That way you'll have real numbers to work with.

Good luck...
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2003, 07:13:19 PM »
I run a single Honda 90 4-stroke.  

It is hard for me to guestimate my mileage.  About the best I know is that with three people and all their gear and a Zodiak, I ran about 150 miles and still had 20-25 gallons left.  

Or, with 2 people running over to Fidalgo Bay it is 60 miles round trip.  It takes me ten gallons to do the trip at 25 mph.  

Running to my favorite halibut hole which is top secret, it is 120 miles round trip.  It takes me about 2 1/2 hours at 25 mph.  I think I burn around 25 gallons.

So it is my assumption that I am getting about 6-8 mpg.

There are just so many variables here. I hope it helps but my 66 gallons gets me about a 250 mile trip range.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2003, 10:17:35 PM »
Gents,

We're talking about a couple different ways of computing fuel burn rate.  Dave, you mentioned 'miles-per-gallon', like commonly used for trucks and cars.  While I was talking about 'gallons-per-hour', or gph.

I think most mariners use 'gph' rather than 'mpg'.  Either method could be used, but since most nautical charts are set up in nautical miles, using 'mpg' may get confusing.  

Let's take your halibut fishing hole as an example.  You wrote...

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Running to my favorite halibut hole which is top secret, it is 120 miles round trip. It takes me about 2 1/2 hours at 25 mph. I think I burn around 25 gallons.


Even here, there is some confusion.  You state your running 25mph, but if I divide 120 miles, by 2 1/2 hours (120/2.5) I get a speed of 48mph.  So you must mean that that it takes you 2 1/2 hours each way.  That closely corresponds to another example you gave in your post above.  

If it takes you 2 1/2 hours each way, then that means it takes you 5 hours to run the whole 120 mile round trip.  This sounds better, because 5 hours, multiplied by your given speed of 25mph, equals 125 miles.  Very close, and sea conditions can cause bigger differences that we see here.

Since you state that your boat burns 25 gallons for the whole trip, and we know the trip takes 5 hours, then simply divide the gallons burned by the hours run (25 divided by 5) and I get a figure of 5 gallons burned per hour (5gph).

What makes this important, when traveling long distances by boat, is that tides, currents, and winds can really change just how far (miles) we may actually travel in a given hour.  But, the fuel consumed in that hour is usually pretty constant.  So at least in my opinion, it's better to compute fuel burn in 'gallons-per-hour' than by 'mile-per-gallon'.

Another way to put it is...

Say your heading due north at 30mph for 2 hours, on land you would have covered 60 miles.  But lets say that the whole time on water, you were bucking a 5 mph current, which was heading due south, your actual distance traveled would only be 50 miles (as plotted on a chart.)  Since we already figured that your boat burns 5 gallons per hour, you would have burned 10 gallons so far.  Pretending we were on land, your gas mileage woud be would be 6mpg.  (That woud suck for a car!)  But since we're on water, and due to the current, your boat has actually only traveled 50 miles, now your only getting 5 mpg (worse yet!)  So the 'mile-per-gallon numbers can change due to current, etc., but the gallons-per-hour numbers stay constant.

In this example, in a mere 2 hour run, there's already a 10 mile difference.  Multiply that by a 5 hour run, and we're talking possibly running out of gas 25 miles short of the intended target (the fuel dock. :)).

This is why I don't care for using 'car-like' miles-per-gallon figures for calculating fuel burn rate while on the water.  In the example above, the constant factors were that you were running for 2 hours, and you burned 5 gallons-per-hour, for a total of 10 gallons.  Actual miles covered varies greatly.

BTW Dave, I know you run long distances regularly, and am not 'preaching' to you!  :)  Just thought I'd spell this out a bit better (maybe) for those who might need the advice.  Also, if your only burning 5gph with your 90hp engine, then I over estimated the fuel burns for the first posters twin 70hp set up.  That boat is probably only buring 10gph for both engines combined.

Clear as mud!!!
Brian