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Bullet for 45-70 Revolver
« on: January 04, 2007, 08:37:07 PM »
Hi Veral,
I'm helping out a friend with choosing a proper bullet for his 45-70 BFR Revolver.
He hunts deer mostly but is planning on a buffalo hunt possably next year and maybe elk. I have cast him up some 425's from an old Lyman mold I have but told him that he could probably expect much better accuracy and performance from a 385-400g LFN. He has run the 425's up to 1600 but they get to be a bit of a handfull and accuracy suffers. I showed him how well my 320 LFN @ 1400 fps shot from my 44 SRH and that sparked some intrest. He would probably keep his shots under 100 yards as that's where he feels the most comfortable. I have read down a few pages on the 45-70's but didn't find anything pertaining to revolvers.
My suggestion to him was a 385-400g LFNGC driven at around 1400+ or what ever was accurate/comfortable. What do you think?
Thanks.
Ryan

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Re: Bullet for 45-70 BFR
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2007, 05:53:10 AM »
  My first comment about a 45-70 revolver is that it isn't a wise choice.  Far too much powder room, which if used, will break your arms yet kill no better than a 45 Long Colt or moderately loaded 44 mag.  But they are unique enough and proper loaded are accuate and very effective.

  If you friend wants to tag his deer with the least misery on himself, he should get the LBT 325 WFN, which will weigh a bit more when cut to fit his revolver.  Load this to 1200 fps and not over 1500 fps and any decently hit will expire instantly.  If he wants more speed in the interest of flatter trajectory, a similar weight in LFN would be the choice.  Either will shoot into less than 2 inchs at 100 yards if his gun is well made, and with the pleasant recoil of a lighter weight lower velocity bullet, he will be relaxed taking shots at well over 100 yards, after shooting the gun till he's familiar with it.

   
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Re: Bullet for 45-70 BFR
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2007, 05:32:47 PM »
He's pretty familiar with it (approching 1000 rnds). I've shot some of the factory 405's through it and it's not that bad. Not as much snap as the 454 but it does torque a bit when you load them up. The 325's good for deer but what about the Buffalo?

Also I have one of your 335g LFN 45 mold that drops a .455 bullet. When I size to .453-.454 the gas check is a bit loose and spins on the shank. Would it be possable for you to enlarge the shank a bit so they crimp on tighter? I expand my checks so they don't shave anyway so a bit larger wouldn't hurt.

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Re: Bullet for 45-70 BFR
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2007, 06:31:50 PM »
   I wouldn't hesitate to go for buffalo with a 325 gr, as I have quite a few reports of that weight working fine on them, with lung /heart area hits.  The main objective for recommending the 325 gr was to keep recoil less painful, which helps accuacy, which is #1 in taking game cleanly.  He can speed it up for the buff hunt, if he feels more secure with higher power, to whatever recoil he can bear, then slow them down for smaller game.  However, 1400 fps will do a great job.

  If you are opening the checks up, it's quite likely the coldworking, added to the original check forming, is hardening your checks enough that they are springing away from the bullet.  Try annealing a few before returning the mold, and if they stay tight, that is your best option.  Understand that checks which spring away from the bullet because the metal is hard, will stay on the bullet, but rattle in flight disrupting accuracy.  The easiest way to be sure is to measure the drivng bands just forward of the check to see if it is slightly smaller than the checks are.  Even a half thousandths inch can let the check turn, so measure close.

  Easiest way to anneal a few checks is to lay them around an electric range burner, with burner cold, of coarse.  Do it at night, and shut the lights off when you turn the burner on.  You''l be able to see a dull red in the dark, at about 850 deg F or so.  When you get that, turn the burner off, wait till it cools and remove the checks.  Nice and clean and easy and you can probably run 300 at least in one lot.  They don't need to be quenched, though quenching will not harden them, if you heat some other way.
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Re: Bullet for 45-70 Revolver
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 08:02:27 PM »
I do anneal my checks after I expand them.  I carefully measured the check and bullet bands on several and the check is smaller (.0005) or the same. I measured the check shank on the LFN and compared it to my WFN. The LFN shank is .4185-.419 and the WFN shank is .420-.421. 

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Re: Bullet for 45-70 Revolver
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2007, 07:40:22 PM »
  Since the rifling is gong to crush those checks down another .008, I don't believe enlarging the shank will make a trace of difference in accuacy.

  But if you do, return the mold, with return postage, and I'll enlarge the check shanks, no charge.   If you elect to do this, please let me know if accuracy improves for you and if it does I'll quickly change my opinion.  In my book, results = scientific fact.
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