Author Topic: 30 herrett.. (Read 2806 times)

determined451 · « **on:** January 10, 2007, 02:14:03 PM »

I recently purchased a 30 herett in a 10 inch barrel...was thinking of using a 150 gr. pill...do any of you old timers have a couple of pet loads to share....cases are rem 30-30 already fire formed and waiting...Thanks, D-451

OLDHandgunner · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2007, 03:46:37 PM »

I have a 10" 30 Herrett also. I make all my own brass from R-P brass. Size, trim, ream neck, fire form, then size to chamber. My most accurate load so far is with Nosler 125gr.BT over 23.0 grs. of H-4227 with Fed. 210 Primers & 2.320 OAL. I tried 3 different powders, H-4227 was the best. The 3 other bullets that shot good were ( Horn. 130 SSP, Speer 130 HP & Sierra 135 SSP ) they all hit in the same point of impact as the Noslers. Haven't tried any heavier bullets yet. Get an old copy of a T/C loading book, it has alot of info on the 30 Herrett. GOOD LUCK!!!

Hopalong7 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:35:38 AM »

The 30 Herret has been my favorite 10" tube for 'bout 30 years now, at least for deer shootin' purposes. Until the Ballistic Tip came along, I rarely used anything heavier than the 110gr. You didn't say what the purpose of the Herret was going to be, but If it's shootin' deer I doubt you'll be able to get a 150 up to speed to expand satisfactorly. I agree with OLDhandgunner on the loading for the 125BT. Great choice...You'll love it. GOOD SHOOTIN', Walt

determined451 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2007, 01:54:31 AM »

I will use this on deer only...I have about 200... 150 B/T's that I was going to make up for my 308, but after shooting three deer, and the bullets coming apart, no exit wound...that was out for me...I think Sierra has quit making the 135 ssp, so I guess I will try some 125 B/t's...do you get an exit hole with these? Tks, D-451

Lone Star · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2007, 06:06:42 AM »

You may not get very good expansion with the 150BT in a 10" barrel, and the older barrels with the 1:14" twist may not stabilize it, but the 125BT will work great. I've taken two deer with the 125 and got complete penetration on lung shots with good damage. I have since taken one small Texas deer with the Hornady 110 V-Max and that one worked surprisingly well. Again a lung shot and the bullet stopped in the far side hide, but great damage and I could get 2400 fps safely. The best I could ever safely get from a 125-grain bullet was 2115 fps in my 10", 1976-vintage .30 Herret.

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Gavinator · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2007, 09:01:27 AM »

What went wrong using the Accurate 2230? Were you having trouble seating, or keeping bullets seated? How long is your barrel throated?
My barrel is throated so long the max charge isn't compressed.

DonL100 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2007, 11:31:03 AM »

determined451, I'm glady someone likes the old T/C calibers. I shoot both the .30 and 357 Herrett out of a Super 14 barrel. If you can get any of the old Norma 200 powder, it's the best on the over 125 gr bullets. If not H4227 is good also. I use Mag primers in the .357 to give the powder a chance. In a 10" barrel you might give it a try. I shoot mostly 110gr in my .30 Herrett for coyotes and bobcats,125 for deer. I believe the 125 gr is best for deer allowing a little more velocity for expansion. I shoot a 180gr bullett out of the .357 Herrett for elk. In my opinion you can't beat a .30 or .357 Herrett for accuracy and stopping powder for those calibers in a pistol. It doesn't seem like most shooters in this forum like the Herrett calibers. Yes, they are wildcats and it takes a little work to make the brass ( you can buy the .30 and .357 brass from Midway with headstamps but a little pricey) but you can't beat the accuracy. DonL

determined451 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2007, 02:59:30 AM »

Gavinator...nothing wrong with the 2230 yet...have made up some loads...can't get any range time...thought I would try to get other options done before going to the range...so far...it looks like i am going to have to move down to the 125's...still have to find something to dowith all of these 150 B/T's I have...

Donl...thanks for the info...I picked the 30 because I wanted to work with a wildcat, and knew it had a good pedigree...I would have felt better if i could use the 150's more...oh well, guess i will just have to add another barrel someday......I have found a 357 Herrett in 14" that I will probably bring home soon...D-451

DonL100 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2007, 10:56:11 AM »

determined451, If you can get a 357 Herrett, it works but with bullets 150gr and above. However finding a good bullet in the 150gr range is a problem. However 170 and 180 gr .35 caliber bullets with good BCs are easy to find. I shoot the Hornady 180 gr .35 caliber with outstanding accuracy and over 2100fps. And a little over 1" at 100 yrds. My old Sierra book (1970) has both 125 and 150gr loads. for the .30. For the 125 gr, 29.0grs of N200 is the Max. at 2250fps with 23.5 of H4227 as a Max at 2250fps. for the 125 gr. For the 150gr N200 is the ticket with 28 gr Max at 2150fps. H4227 is down the road with 21.5 grs at 2000fps. With the H4227 you might try a Mag rifle primer but start less than a Max load. Good luck on the .30. DonL

lovedogs · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2007, 11:41:42 AM »

Ballistically, your Herrett and my .30-30 aren't that far apart. My 12 in. .30-30 does real well with both the Nosler 150 gr. BT and the Hornady 130 gr. SSP. Both shoot in about 7/8 in. at 100 yds. The 150 gets right at 2000 FPS, the 130 just over 2100 FPS. The BT expands on deer just fine out to just over 200 yds. The SSP has minimal expansion at that range; it's better at about 175 yds. My favorite powder so far is H335 with CCI 250 primers. Everyone tells me the mag primer isn't needed but I disagree. Velocities are better and more consistent. You just have to use less powder to start and work up carefully. Seat the bullet out to about .020 off the lands for good ignition and accuracy. You may get a little less flash using 2230...I'm going to try that next summer.

Johnly · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2007, 07:55:43 AM »

Speer #10 has 30 Herrett data for 110 gr. to 165 gr. bullets.

John in Oregon

sigbbred · « **Reply #11 on:** October 16, 2007, 12:55:37 PM »

Hey there, anyone tried the 165gr Nosler BT for deer?

kennisondan · « **Reply #12 on:** October 16, 2007, 04:04:28 PM »

Hey Guys : the 308 150BTs blew up on three deer ? how fast does the Herrett push them... ? I am impressed ...
so the 150s expand better at slower velocities than the 130s or 125s ? please explain, I think I understand it is about the bullet composition, but what 150 BT expands that radically.. I am thinking of buying a 308 and was conerned that the speed with the 308 15 inch barrel would not suffice for expansion and that I would need a lighter 120 or 130 bullet. I was thinking the 308 encore was the lazy man's herrett.
sorry for the hi jack.
dk

MS Hitman · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:46:44 PM »

I have killed 52 deer with my .309JDJ and the majority (high 40s) have been with 150 NBTs. I get complete penetration on broadside shots as well as nearly complete penetration length-wise. To date, I have never had one of these bullets fail to perform in a satisfactory manner. All but two or three have been one-shot kills. I'd like to know more of the details concerning the problems associated with using them in the .308 as in a T/C, as it and the .309 are very similar ballistically.

kennisondan · « **Reply #14 on:** October 17, 2007, 07:56:35 AM »

Hitman : I would guess the 308 over expansion was in a fast pushed rifle bullet.. I know my match 308 ammo will fail in some cases on deer sized animals still killed them, just too much too soon expansion... we will see... I am ordering my 308 barrel directly.. and am curious as well,
Lonestar is saying that the 150 underexpands but the lighter 125 or 130 expands nicely... I am hoping the 150 sonchester soft pts will do the trick.. on these little La. deer this year.]
dk

sigbbred · « **Reply #15 on:** October 17, 2007, 10:13:08 AM »

Hey, is there nobody who has tried the 165 NBT on deer in .30H?

Lone Star · « **Reply #16 on:** October 17, 2007, 12:03:32 PM »

My experience mirrors Hitman's - in two different .300 Savage Contenders. My hunting partner and I killed well over two dozen Kodiak Island blacktails with the 150 BTip at 2350-2400 fps and only recovered bullets from lengthwise shots at over 200 yards. Expansion was excellent, giving very noticeable wound channels.

My 10" .30 Herrett will not quite reach 1950 fps with the 150 BTip bullets and they didn't expand reliably for me. It all depends on the impact velocity, the 300 Savage/.309JDJ are 300-400 fps faster than the .30 Herrett is, that is why the 150s did not expand well. The 165 BTip would be even worse. I still believe that the 125 BTip is the best available overall deer bullet for the .30 Herrett.

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Clodhopper · « **Reply #17 on:** October 17, 2007, 05:25:52 PM »

Ditto on Lonestar and Hitman, I use the 150 gr Ballistic Tips in my 15 inch 300 Savage also, work great. also use them in my Mod 70, 22 inch barrel, 308 and 3006. Have yet to lose a deer due to bullet malfunction. Taken deer with my 3006 from under 80 yards to over 300. The bullet may not always exit, but neither does the deer.

sigbbred · « **Reply #18 on:** October 18, 2007, 03:18:25 AM »

Thank`s. I will try the 150 and 125.

HHI-7420 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:07:10 AM »

MS Hitman, I too shoot the .309 but have gone strictly to the 165nbt because the 150's flew to pieces inside the chest cavities(little holes all inside the rib cage with bits of lead and copper). There would be an exit hole though. With a 12-3/4" bbl., I didn't get the velocity(2,300) that you do, if that could in any way make a difference. Anyway, 165's rule for me now. Pat

HHI-7420 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 20, 2007, 08:13:00 AM »

Someone please explain- how can this guy's name be a censored word if he just posted the other day. Graybeard what goes? Pat

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** October 20, 2007, 09:33:17 AM »

The word censor with this software is absolutely crazy and I can't find a way to get to the list. It doesn't look at whole words like the other one did when I put in the words. It looks at letter combinations insde words and I absolutely hate it but as I said I can't find away to get into change it.

reloading_rich · « **Reply #22 on:** October 20, 2007, 11:11:02 AM »

I also used a 357 Herrett for hunting that was a recent acquisition to my T/C collection. I used it for a cow Elk a couple of weeks ago. The shot was about 45 yards and the Elk was broadside. I took out both lungs and had complete penetration with a 180 grain Hornady SSP traveling at about 2100 fps. The Elk stood there for about 30 seconds and didn't move. It started to walk away and after about 4 steps it did the stutter side step, up till that point I was wondering if I had clean missed the critter. It took about another 4 or 5 steps and fell over dead. The shot broke ribs on both side of the chest cavity and exited the off side. Very little tissue damage the butcher could see, so meat loss was negligible. It has left me wondering if the 357 Herrett was up to the task. Yes, it did put the critter down but not with any amount of authority. I will continue to use the cartridge but maybe with a deer size animal next.

Lone Star · « **Reply #23 on:** October 20, 2007, 06:47:33 PM »

While Milek and Herrett designed the .357 Herrett for elk-sized game, it is clearly marginal for that use....and they designed it for the lighlty-constructed Speer 140HP bullet! Your experience is in line with the ballistic performance of the cartridge - like all other cartridges, it is not magic. Compared to what are normally considered as "real" elk cartridges (.30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, .338 Win Mag), it is pretty enemic. I'd have used the tougher 180 Speer FN myself, but with a limited amount of energy and a bullet which was really designed for deer-sized game - you did well.

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determined451 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2007, 11:56:46 AM »

hey Guys, I haven't visited this topic in a while..There seems to be some confusion...my comment about 3 of the 150's blowing up, and coming apart was directed from a 308 bolt rifle...not any pistol...all three deer were shot broadside from 75 to 125 yards...this happened 3 out of 3 times...small entrance hole...no exit...that is not acceptable to me...I hunt too much cutover...too easy to lose game...that is why I don't use them...I have probably taken 40 deer with the 308 rifle...no problems except with this bullet..thanks for the response...D451